2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA little math regarding North Carolina
As someone said in an earlier forum, the raw numbers in NC are as follows:
Registered Democrats - 2,800,000
Registered Republicans - 2,000,000
Registered Unafilliated - 1,700,000
So according to these numbers, the minimum Obama would need to get is 85% of Democrats and 40% of unafilliated to win.
While Romney would need 100% of Republicans and 60% of unafilliated to even come close.
SO I ask, why do the polls show a completely different story from these numbers.
Does anyone think that Obama cannot get a minimum of 85% Democrats to actually vote and 40% of unafillated?
Because if he does that then he wins, its as simple as that.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)If I were a tv station manager in NC, I'd swear that they were neck-and-neck to Mittens would throw more advertising dollars at me.
tridim
(45,358 posts)That's exactly the way they want it.
My entire household is convinced of this.
OhioworkingDem
(28 posts)Your assumption does not appear to take that into account.
politicman
(710 posts)Latest PPP poll more conservatives will vote for Obama than actual Democrats who will vote for Romney.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)"Does anyone think that Obama cannot get a minimum of 85% Democrats to actually vote "
EVERYONE think that Obama cannot get 85% of Democrats to vote. Voter turnout in this country hasn't broken 85% in recorded history.
I think you meant get 85% of Democrats who DO vote, to vote for him. But that's not the same question because it assumes exactly equal proportions of registered Democrats and Republicans will show up to vote, which isn't ever the case like it or not.
The math just isn't as simplistic as you are laying it out here.
politicman
(710 posts)No the question is:
Does anyone think that Obama cannot get 85% of REGISTERED Dems to vote for him.
Keep in mind that the historical norm is for 85-90% of registered voters for either party end up voting.
And this number has been going up every presidential election cycle.
So if there are that many registered democrats then you would expect him to at least get 85% percent of those registered to the actual polls.
OhioworkingDem
(28 posts)What was NC turnout in 2008?
politicman
(710 posts)Ok, but the 60% you sight is in regards to the overall voting population.
The numbers I sight are in regards to actual registered voters, which fall into the 60% that you sight.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)EVERYONE thinks that. 85% of registered Dems have NEVER shown up to vote for a president in the history of the United States.
Yeah, it's been "going up" the last couple election cycles. Last cycle, one of the most high profile high excitement historical events in history, got it all the way up to 63%.
LisaL
(44,972 posts)But we do have the number in NC, if we can GOTV.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)There were more Republicans than Democrats in 2004.
There were more Democrats in 2008, but we lost unaffiliated 60-39.
kansasobama
(609 posts)With due respects to NC Dems, there are so many Dems in NC who have fallen to Republican hype "we are disappointed with Obama." Hello! Repugs have been blocking everything.
Why would NC Dems want to stuff their man because the enemy blocked him. Don't you want to support him so that Obama can be bolder in a second term. It is so critical for us to not sit during off-elections and get our man into a second term.
I think your GOTV is doing some good work. "I don't know" Dems needs to get off their seats and go and vote.
LiberalFighter
(50,779 posts)In 2008, the turnout was 63% of the voting age population or 4,310,789.
2010 population 9,535,483
Likely vap 7,151,612
Likely not more than 4.5 million will vote this time around. Might be under 4. The numbers above in the op total 6.5 million.
The key. Turnout!
LisaL
(44,972 posts)ahead of 2008?
politicman
(710 posts)Yes, but if there are 800,000 more registered DEMS, then that means those people have already signed up to vote and if you get a mimimum of 85% of those voters to the polling booth ALONG with 40% unafilliated, Obama WINS.
politicman
(710 posts)OK, do you think that there will be more than 3 million less voters now than there were in 2010.
Seriously, do you think that more people vote in congressional elections THAN do in presidential elections?
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)In the South, a registered Democrat is commonly a Republican voter. The same is true for unaffiliated voters. That us why so many state, local and Congressional offices in the South are held by Republicans.
politicman
(710 posts)Ok, that could be TRUE.
Although I don't know why someone would not change their registration to Republican if they always end up voting republican?
Just seems a little strange to me
dsc
(52,152 posts)though this is becoming much less of an issue as the local GOP has become a real party.
barbtries
(28,769 posts)not where i live, which is the triangle. democrats are democrats. some of us are very liberal democrats and most of us would never consider voting for romney. i think you're thinking back a couple generations.
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)Reality does not match the simplistic comparison of registration numbers. Either D turnout is horrible or large numbers of Ds or Is/Us are actually Rs.
barbtries
(28,769 posts)the polls are full of shit.
the rural west is pretty red however.
SweetieD
(1,660 posts)juajen
(8,515 posts)I have a friend who is a registered republican, but votes straight democratic ticket. He likes knowing what the republicans are up to. He gets their flyers, phone calls, and emails.
onenote
(42,581 posts)In 2008, there were approximately 2.867 million registered Democrats, 2 million registered repubs, and 1.4 million unaffiliated. President Obama eaked out a narrow victory over McCain with around 2.143 million votes compared to 2.128 million votes.
http://www.app.sboe.state.nc.us/webapps/voter_stats/results.aspx?date=11-04-2008
That suggests that the situation this year isn't appreciably improved over four years ago and that we will have to work extremely hard to hold North Carolina.
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)Either Dem turnout is atrocious or significant numbers of Dem and unaffiliated voters actually vote for the R candidate. That is the only way to explain an 800K registration advantage and a squeaker of an election.
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)showing that it is in fact very close and we appear to be running a little behind 2008. Remember Obama only won by 14,000 votes in 2008...