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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:50 AM

politicman (53 posts)

A little math regarding North Carolina

As someone said in an earlier forum, the raw numbers in NC are as follows:

Registered Democrats - 2,800,000
Registered Republicans - 2,000,000
Registered Unafilliated - 1,700,000

So according to these numbers, the minimum Obama would need to get is 85% of Democrats and 40% of unafilliated to win.

While Romney would need 100% of Republicans and 60% of unafilliated to even come close.

SO I ask, why do the polls show a completely different story from these numbers.

Does anyone think that Obama cannot get a minimum of 85% Democrats to actually vote and 40% of unafillated?
Because if he does that then he wins, its as simple as that.

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29 replies	Author	Time	Post
A little math regarding North Carolina (Original post)	politicman	Oct 2012	OP
Because the media wants a HORSE RACE so they can get there ad dollars	bigdarryl	Oct 2012	#1
Seriously...	Jeff In Milwaukee	Oct 2012	#3
I'm convinced that it's the media's fault that our country is always divided 50/50.	tridim	Oct 2012	#4
Bingo!	Estevan	Oct 2012	#5
Question: What % of Dems will vote for Romney and what % of Rethugs will vote for Obama?	OhioworkingDem	Oct 2012	#2
check this out	politicman	Oct 2012	#7
Ahem...	gcomeau	Oct 2012	#6
registered voters	politicman	Oct 2012	#12
I think a high turn out for a presidential year is 60%.	OhioworkingDem	Oct 2012	#16
again registered voters	politicman	Oct 2012	#18
Ok.. then,	gcomeau	Oct 2012	#19
Because pollsters assume republicans are more likely voters than democrats.	LisaL	Oct 2012	#8
Because a lot of Democrats don't vote, and unaffiliated is heavily Republican leaning there.	geek tragedy	Oct 2012	#9
Dems in NC	kansasobama	Oct 2012	#10
Those are only registered voters.	LiberalFighter	Oct 2012	#11
How do you think less will vote in 2012, when the numbers of people who already voted are	LisaL	Oct 2012	#13
YES BUT	politicman	Oct 2012	#14
yes but	politicman	Oct 2012	#17
Aren't 100000s of Ds in NC actually Rs who never changed their registration and vote a full R ticket	LonePirate	Oct 2012	#15
could be true	politicman	Oct 2012	#20
because if they don't they can't vote in local democratic primaries	dsc	Oct 2012	#22
no.	barbtries	Oct 2012	#21
If no, then why is the state so close despite Obama's superior ground game?	LonePirate	Oct 2012	#24
i don't believe it is close.	barbtries	Oct 2012	#26
I think there may be some left over dixiecrats on the registered rolls.	SweetieD	Oct 2012	#23
The opposite is also true.	juajen	Oct 2012	#27
A closer look, based on 2008 data.	onenote	Oct 2012	#25
Thanks. This proves a lot of what I have been saying.	LonePirate	Oct 2012	#29
There is a Dkos daily diary on NC	Maximumnegro	Oct 2012	#28

Response to politicman (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:52 AM

bigdarryl (9,144 posts)

1. Because the media wants a HORSE RACE so they can get there ad dollars

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:54 AM

Jeff In Milwaukee (12,506 posts)

3. Seriously...

If I were a tv station manager in NC, I'd swear that they were neck-and-neck to Mittens would throw more advertising dollars at me.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:58 AM

tridim (40,707 posts)

4. I'm convinced that it's the media's fault that our country is always divided 50/50.

That's exactly the way they want it.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:59 AM

Estevan (55 posts)

5. Bingo!

My entire household is convinced of this.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:54 AM

OhioworkingDem (28 posts)

2. Question: What % of Dems will vote for Romney and what % of Rethugs will vote for Obama?

Your assumption does not appear to take that into account.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:00 AM

politicman (53 posts)

7. check this out

Latest PPP poll more conservatives will vote for Obama than actual Democrats who will vote for Romney.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:59 AM

gcomeau (2,907 posts)

6. Ahem...

"Does anyone think that Obama cannot get a minimum of 85% Democrats to actually vote "

EVERYONE think that Obama cannot get 85% of Democrats to vote. Voter turnout in this country hasn't broken 85% in recorded history.

I think you meant get 85% of Democrats who DO vote, to vote for him. But that's not the same question because it assumes exactly equal proportions of registered Democrats and Republicans will show up to vote, which isn't ever the case like it or not.

The math just isn't as simplistic as you are laying it out here.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:08 AM

politicman (53 posts)

12. registered voters

No the question is:

Does anyone think that Obama cannot get 85% of REGISTERED Dems to vote for him.

Keep in mind that the historical norm is for 85-90% of registered voters for either party end up voting.

And this number has been going up every presidential election cycle.

So if there are that many registered democrats then you would expect him to at least get 85% percent of those registered to the actual polls.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:13 AM

OhioworkingDem (28 posts)

16. I think a high turn out for a presidential year is 60%.

What was NC turnout in 2008?

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:17 AM

politicman (53 posts)

18. again registered voters

Ok, but the 60% you sight is in regards to the overall voting population.

The numbers I sight are in regards to actual registered voters, which fall into the 60% that you sight.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:18 AM

gcomeau (2,907 posts)

19. Ok.. then,

EVERYONE thinks that. 85% of registered Dems have NEVER shown up to vote for a president in the history of the United States.

Yeah, it's been "going up" the last couple election cycles. Last cycle, one of the most high profile high excitement historical events in history, got it all the way up to 63%.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:00 AM

LisaL (22,801 posts)

8. Because pollsters assume republicans are more likely voters than democrats.

But we do have the number in NC, if we can GOTV.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:01 AM

geek tragedy (25,500 posts)

9. Because a lot of Democrats don't vote, and unaffiliated is heavily Republican leaning there.

There were more Republicans than Democrats in 2004.

There were more Democrats in 2008, but we lost unaffiliated 60-39.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:01 AM

kansasobama (224 posts)

10. Dems in NC

With due respects to NC Dems, there are so many Dems in NC who have fallen to Republican hype "we are disappointed with Obama." Hello! Repugs have been blocking everything.

Why would NC Dems want to stuff their man because the enemy blocked him. Don't you want to support him so that Obama can be bolder in a second term. It is so critical for us to not sit during off-elections and get our man into a second term.

I think your GOTV is doing some good work. "I don't know" Dems needs to get off their seats and go and vote.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:05 AM

LiberalFighter (31,073 posts)

11. Those are only registered voters.

In 2008, the turnout was 63% of the voting age population or 4,310,789.

2010 population 9,535,483
Likely vap 7,151,612

Likely not more than 4.5 million will vote this time around. Might be under 4. The numbers above in the op total 6.5 million.

The key. Turnout!

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:09 AM

LisaL (22,801 posts)

13. How do you think less will vote in 2012, when the numbers of people who already voted are

ahead of 2008?

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:11 AM

politicman (53 posts)

14. YES BUT

Yes, but if there are 800,000 more registered DEMS, then that means those people have already signed up to vote and if you get a mimimum of 85% of those voters to the polling booth ALONG with 40% unafilliated, Obama WINS.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:14 AM

politicman (53 posts)

17. yes but

OK, do you think that there will be more than 3 million less voters now than there were in 2010.

Seriously, do you think that more people vote in congressional elections THAN do in presidential elections?

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:12 AM

LonePirate (1,642 posts)

15. Aren't 100000s of Ds in NC actually Rs who never changed their registration and vote a full R ticket

In the South, a registered Democrat is commonly a Republican voter. The same is true for unaffiliated voters. That us why so many state, local and Congressional offices in the South are held by Republicans.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:19 AM

politicman (53 posts)

20. could be true

Ok, that could be TRUE.

Although I don't know why someone would not change their registration to Republican if they always end up voting republican?

Just seems a little strange to me

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:26 AM

dsc (39,368 posts)

22. because if they don't they can't vote in local democratic primaries

though this is becoming much less of an issue as the local GOP has become a real party.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:21 AM

barbtries (15,009 posts)

21. no.

not where i live, which is the triangle. democrats are democrats. some of us are very liberal democrats and most of us would never consider voting for romney. i think you're thinking back a couple generations.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:35 AM

LonePirate (1,642 posts)

24. If no, then why is the state so close despite Obama's superior ground game?

Reality does not match the simplistic comparison of registration numbers. Either D turnout is horrible or large numbers of Ds or Is/Us are actually Rs.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:39 AM

barbtries (15,009 posts)

26. i don't believe it is close.

the polls are full of shit.

the rural west is pretty red however.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:29 AM

SweetieD (589 posts)

23. I think there may be some left over dixiecrats on the registered rolls.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:44 AM

juajen (7,890 posts)

27. The opposite is also true.

I have a friend who is a registered republican, but votes straight democratic ticket. He likes knowing what the republicans are up to. He gets their flyers, phone calls, and emails.

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Response to politicman (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:38 AM

onenote (22,006 posts)

25. A closer look, based on 2008 data.

Last edited Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:39 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

In 2008, there were approximately 2.867 million registered Democrats, 2 million registered repubs, and 1.4 million unaffiliated. President Obama eaked out a narrow victory over McCain with around 2.143 million votes compared to 2.128 million votes.

http://www.app.sboe.state.nc.us/webapps/voter_stats/results.aspx?date=11-04-2008

That suggests that the situation this year isn't appreciably improved over four years ago and that we will have to work extremely hard to hold North Carolina.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:10 PM

LonePirate (1,642 posts)

29. Thanks. This proves a lot of what I have been saying.

Either Dem turnout is atrocious or significant numbers of Dem and unaffiliated voters actually vote for the R candidate. That is the only way to explain an 800K registration advantage and a squeaker of an election.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:44 AM

Maximumnegro (920 posts)

28. There is a Dkos daily diary on NC

showing that it is in fact very close and we appear to be running a little behind 2008. Remember Obama only won by 14,000 votes in 2008...

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