Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:09 AM
regnaD kciN (17,427 posts)
538's latest re-elect odds: 68.1%
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28 replies, 1734 views
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| regnaD kciN | Oct 2012 | OP | |
| TroyD | Oct 2012 | #1 | |
| teabaggersarestupid | Oct 2012 | #5 | |
| Maximumnegro | Oct 2012 | #24 | |
| ejbr | Oct 2012 | #28 | |
| aletier_v | Oct 2012 | #2 | |
| regnaD kciN | Oct 2012 | #21 | |
| FVZA_Colonel | Oct 2012 | #22 | |
| DMacTX | Oct 2012 | #3 | |
| Drunken Irishman | Oct 2012 | #4 | |
| Sugarcoated | Oct 2012 | #8 | |
| aletier_v | Oct 2012 | #9 | |
| Cali_Democrat | Oct 2012 | #23 | |
| Drunken Irishman | Oct 2012 | #6 | |
| Maximumnegro | Oct 2012 | #25 | |
| Floyd_Gondolli | Oct 2012 | #7 | |
| TroyD | Oct 2012 | #10 | |
| ProudProgressiveNow | Oct 2012 | #11 | |
| helpisontheway | Oct 2012 | #12 | |
| politicaljack78 | Oct 2012 | #13 | |
| DrToast | Oct 2012 | #14 | |
| politicaljack78 | Oct 2012 | #17 | |
| helpisontheway | Oct 2012 | #15 | |
| politicaljack78 | Oct 2012 | #18 | |
| BainsBane | Oct 2012 | #16 | |
| regnaD kciN | Oct 2012 | #19 | |
| dsc | Oct 2012 | #20 | |
| Ace Rothstein | Oct 2012 | #27 | |
| Maximumnegro | Oct 2012 | #26 |
Response to regnaD kciN (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:11 AM
TroyD (4,468 posts)
1. So Obama went down a couple points today
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This is why this thing is not in the bag yet.
It's a close race. Take nothing for granted and watch out for Republican vote theft at all times. |
Response to TroyD (Reply #1)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:13 AM
teabaggersarestupid (111 posts)
5. I'll take it
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Last edited Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:14 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) The polling was not so hot today. The SurveyUSA Ohio poll probably saved the forecast from going to something like 65, 66%. I also think the percentage went down a little because of the stock market selloff. 68.1% is still better than 2/3.
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Response to TroyD (Reply #1)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:45 AM
Maximumnegro (920 posts)
24. That makes no sense. You are chasing
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your own tail. Nate's numbers are based on the polls you spend time slapping on the board thread after thread, so why then look at Nate and be surprised. THis makes no sense why people are doing this. Like he's going to tell you something you don't already know.
And it IS in the bag. I swear a lot of Dems have amnesia: forget everything you read from inside the campaign that's hinting at the real state of the race, only to get immediately distracted by polls and then get uncertain again until the next piece of inside info and... |
Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #24)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:50 AM
ejbr (3,953 posts)
28. Dems do NOT have amnesia..
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They probably have Romnesia. The president did say it's contagious.
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Response to regnaD kciN (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:11 AM
aletier_v (1,773 posts)
2. what, it's down again?
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I can't see any reason why.
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Response to aletier_v (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:25 AM
regnaD kciN (17,427 posts)
21. Probably the national polls...
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Rasmussen and PPP both showed a two-point drop, a couple of others that were in Obama's favor tightened, and he didn't really gain in any. As I wrote before, Sam Wang at PEC, whose model uses only state, not national, polls, showed no drop yesterday.
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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #21)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:37 AM
FVZA_Colonel (4,074 posts)
22. These were conducted before the last debate, right?
Response to regnaD kciN (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:12 AM
DMacTX (295 posts)
3. Ouch, I just checked it recently and it was still 70.0%
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I was just going to bed, all relaxed, now I wish i hadn't logged back into DU.
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Response to DMacTX (Reply #3)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:13 AM
Drunken Irishman (24,587 posts)
4. I know, a two-point drop is devastating.
Response to Sugarcoated (Reply #8)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:18 AM
aletier_v (1,773 posts)
9. Not devastating but after the Intrade fiasco
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I'm wondering if he's getting gamed.
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Response to aletier_v (Reply #9)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:45 AM
Cali_Democrat (14,689 posts)
23. Nate Silver is gaming Obama?
Response to regnaD kciN (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:13 AM
Drunken Irishman (24,587 posts)
6. I really wish there was a way to filter out certain words on DU...
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I'd totally avoid "Nate Silver" and "538".
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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #6)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:46 AM
Maximumnegro (920 posts)
25. Jesus Christ, yes.
Response to regnaD kciN (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:16 AM
Floyd_Gondolli (1,112 posts)
7. Silver wrote about volatility recently
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For those that didn't see it I'd recommend reading it. I don't classify this drop as anything but noise, however. Stiill it's worth a read as we head into the final stretch.
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Response to regnaD kciN (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:20 AM
TroyD (4,468 posts)
10. Nate said that Intrade is an outlier, btw
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It has lower numbers for Obama than most of the other betting markets.
But he said it is still a decent predictor overall. |
Response to regnaD kciN (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:21 AM
ProudProgressiveNow (3,239 posts)
11. Things will...
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smooth out by the end of the week.
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Response to regnaD kciN (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:21 AM
helpisontheway (1,007 posts)
12. There was one poll that was posted earlier TIPP (or whatever it is called)
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that showed the President dropping but Romney gaining. They said Romney was gaining with working class and another group. I don't think Nate uses that one is his model though.
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Response to regnaD kciN (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:23 AM
politicaljack78 (312 posts)
13. That's the November 6th Forecast...if you change it to the Nowcast
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That has the President at 70.6% vs. 29.4% for Romnesia.
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Response to politicaljack78 (Reply #13)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:25 AM
DrToast (3,967 posts)
14. Anybody know what he changes...
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...in his Nov 6 forecast vs. his Nowcast?
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Response to DrToast (Reply #14)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:36 AM
politicaljack78 (312 posts)
17. I'm not certain but I have got to get to bed for work tomorrow. check out the
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methodology link or email the guy, I'm sure he'd love to explain it to you.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/methodology/ nrsilver@gmail.com |
Response to politicaljack78 (Reply #13)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:30 AM
helpisontheway (1,007 posts)
15. Thank you for posting that info. nt
Response to helpisontheway (Reply #15)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:37 AM
politicaljack78 (312 posts)
18. It's my pleasure. Have an awesome night. n/t
Response to regnaD kciN (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:34 AM
BainsBane (9,563 posts)
16. 70.6% in the now cast
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I don't think the President has gone down in Nate's odds. The Nov. 6 cast is always slightly lower, I'm guessing because Silver accounts a bit for unforeseen events.
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Response to BainsBane (Reply #16)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:43 AM
regnaD kciN (17,427 posts)
19. I think it's lower...
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...because Nate assumes that polls always tighten over the closing weeks of a campaign. Of course, if that closing already took place (and was misinterpreted as part of the "first debate bounce"), it might not happen after all.
Personally, I was expecting a drop in the odds after some of the lousy national polls this morning. I note that Sam Wang, whose system considers only state polling, held steady for the day. |
Response to regnaD kciN (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:45 AM
dsc (39,392 posts)
20. I think, but can't check due to being over my 10 articles
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that the now cast is poll only and the Nov 6 cast includes lots of things such as the stock market. The market went down today, fairly far, so that might explain a drop in the Nov 6 cast.
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Response to dsc (Reply #20)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:25 AM
Ace Rothstein (21 posts)
27. There are ways around the limit.
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Googling the title of the article is one way that has worked for me.
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Response to regnaD kciN (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:50 AM
Maximumnegro (920 posts)
26. If you follow polls Nate ain't sayin a damn thing
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Last edited Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:52 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) you don't already know. He doesn't have any special insight. If the polls average out a little lower today then guess what, his numbers will be lower. Magic I know.
Why is it people all of a sudden forget or ignore all the hints from the campaign and inside sources and get distracted by these polls and pollwatchers is beyond me. The campaign has come out multiple times saying the polls are not capturing what they are seeing on the ground and the early votes and inside info like Cook Report back it up. Guess what. OH + NV = Game over for Romney Guess what two states Obama has a lock on right now. Nate isn't going to tell you that. |

