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Cal33

(7,018 posts)
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:57 AM Mar 2016

Have the elections and vote-counting been always fair and square - especialy the close ones?

Last edited Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:43 AM - Edit history (2)

Last week a Sanders supporter wrote here that she was taking part in the vote-count
at Polk County. When the results showed Sanders had 600 votes and Clinton 540, the
Clinton supporters asked the Sanders people to leave the premises, so that they could
count the votes alone!

Can there be any more direct admission than this that they were going to commit fraud
if left alone? How much more openly dumb than this can anyone get? I doubt it that
they did this out of stupidity. It's more likely they were so sure of receiving support
from higher up, that they just didn't give a damn. Maybe they were even rubbing it
in the faces of the Sanders people.

I am just wondering how widespread is this practice going on? If it happened at Polk
County, it could also happen anywhere else. Do the Sanders people insist on being
present to observe every single vote count? Are they also on the look-out for every
other imaginable type of dirty tricks? And can they do anything about them?

DWS's dirty scheduling of the Democratic Primary debates is known to everyone.

Hillary winning 6 out of 6 coin tosses. (There is 1 chance in 64 of winning all 6
tosses straight).

With these 3 examples staring at us in the face, how much fairness can Progressive
Democrats expect to receive from the Dem. Establishment, who make no bones about
favoring Clinton?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511477611

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511478847


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Have the elections and vote-counting been always fair and square - especialy the close ones? (Original Post) Cal33 Mar 2016 OP
I beleive that without interference Bernie would have won NV, IA, MA, OH, shall I go on MO etc bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #1
Of course we need the proof. Maybe more Sanders people who have taken part in the vote Cal33 Mar 2016 #2
Here is the contact information for the Attorney Generals from each state DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #5
Thanks for the info. I'd like to hear directly from people who have taken actual part Cal33 Mar 2016 #6
I have read all the posts... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #8
The 3 examples mentioned above in the OP strongly suggest that unfair preference is being Cal33 Mar 2016 #13
Yep yep yep bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #9
Have you contacted them yet? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #12
Perhaps you should start by contacting Bernie Sanders... brooklynite Mar 2016 #10
I believe you should direct that at my interlocutor. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #11
Yes, "facile nonsense" indeed! Here's the link to CoffeCat's post. Read it again. I doubt Cal33 Mar 2016 #21
I went to the trouble of finding contacts for the relevant law enforcement agencies. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #23
What else can you do? How about Cal33 Mar 2016 #24
No, no, no. Hillary is just very "lucky" to score all these 0.2% victories. reformist2 Mar 2016 #22
Especially not the Democrats! Never in your life! Only Cal33 Mar 2016 #25
Jury result Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2016 #3
Pro moldy lol Rebkeh Mar 2016 #4
Oh good the coin toss decided delegates lie again Godhumor Mar 2016 #7
I notice there have been no allegations of fraud in Michigan, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Oklahoma NuclearDem Mar 2016 #14
But you don't deny the attempt at Polk County. I'm wondering if there are more of such Cal33 Mar 2016 #15
No. 99Forever Mar 2016 #16
FDR's entrenched establishment lasted around 50 years, and it literally did a world of good. I Cal33 Mar 2016 #18
This entrenched establishment is nothing like FDR's. 99Forever Mar 2016 #19
Never in the history of voting has vote counting been fair. Nailzberg Mar 2016 #17
Very true. I think that when the unfairness and cheating in vote counting have gone beyond Cal33 Mar 2016 #20
This sounds like a common method for counting folks. stone space Mar 2016 #26
There is a link to the link that I omitted to post in my OP. I'm correcting that omission in Cal33 Mar 2016 #27
 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
2. Of course we need the proof. Maybe more Sanders people who have taken part in the vote
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:10 AM
Mar 2016

and election counts should speak up right here - if they have had similar experiences.
Putting them all together would give us a better general idea. If there should be more
such experiences, then something could be done. Nobody should take this lying down.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,706 posts)
5. Here is the contact information for the Attorney Generals from each state
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:38 AM
Mar 2016

Adam Paul Laxalt
Grant Sawyer Building
555 E. Washington Avenue, Suite 3900
Las Vegas, NV 89101
Telephone: 702-486-3420
Fax: 702-486-3768

Tom Miller
Office of the Attorney General of Iowa
Hoover State Office Building
1305 E. Walnut Street
Des Moines IA 50319
Phone: 515-281-5044
Toll-free: 800-373-5044

Maura Healey
Attorney General's Office
One Ashburton Place
Boston, MA 02108-1518
Phone: (617) 727-2200
TTY: (617) 727-476



Mike Dewine
30 E. Broad St., 14th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215
800-282-0515

Chris Koster
Missouri Attorney General's Office
Supreme Court Building
207 W. High St.
P.O. Box 899
Jefferson City, MO 65102 Map
Phone: 573-751-3321
Fax: 573-751-0774

Please feel free to contact them with your allegations of election fraud and if you would be kind enough please share with the rest of us their response.

Thank you in advance.




 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
6. Thanks for the info. I'd like to hear directly from people who have taken actual part
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:50 AM
Mar 2016

in the vote counts -- like CoffeeCat did. If you haven't read her post, you should.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,706 posts)
8. I have read all the posts...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:53 AM
Mar 2016

If I felt crimes were committed I would feel it was incumbent upon me to report it to the authorities.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
13. The 3 examples mentioned above in the OP strongly suggest that unfair preference is being
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 03:38 PM
Mar 2016

shown to one Democratic Presidential candidate over another, where neutrality is called for.
I would like to know if there are other DUers here who have had further personal first-hand
information similar to the one experienced by CoffeeCat above. If there are, it would make
a stronger case for lodging complaints. No one should be taking that kind of crap!

You used the word "crime." I didn't. You seem to be in a hurry.













brooklynite

(93,880 posts)
10. Perhaps you should start by contacting Bernie Sanders...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:14 PM
Mar 2016

other than suggesting that Iowa release the raw vote counts, he hasn't alleged vote tampering anywhere.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,706 posts)
11. I believe you should direct that at my interlocutor.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:17 PM
Mar 2016

I was just being a helpful person. I believe all this noise about Democrat v Democrat election fraud is facile nonsense.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
21. Yes, "facile nonsense" indeed! Here's the link to CoffeCat's post. Read it again. I doubt
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:12 AM
Mar 2016

it that you would still consider it as "facile nonsense", if Sanders supporters had done it
to you Clinton people. The shoe would have been on the other foot!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511477611

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,706 posts)
23. I went to the trouble of finding contacts for the relevant law enforcement agencies.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:30 AM
Mar 2016

I don't know what else I can do.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
24. What else can you do? How about
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:51 AM
Mar 2016

switching sides and joining Bernie Sanders to fight for a righteous cause?

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
22. No, no, no. Hillary is just very "lucky" to score all these 0.2% victories.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:21 AM
Mar 2016

We don't have election fraud. Not in America. No.

Bodhi BloodWave

(2,346 posts)
3. Jury result
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:16 AM
Mar 2016

On Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:58 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Have the elections and vote-counting been always fair and square - especialy the close ones?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511514201

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Clinton clearly can win if she doesn't cheat let's hide the conspiracy theory stuff please.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:07 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's a legitimate question and deserving of discussion. It's also clear her campaign is not above cheating, if there is question about her integrity, it's her own doing. And lastly, this a not conspiracy theory. It's not even a theory much less theoretical. This stuff, vote tampering, electioneering and outright suppression, happens all the time and are part of American history.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Now we can't ask questions?
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There are clearly valid points in the post, if you disagree then counter them rather then tug at an adults clothing and ask them to hide what you don't like
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If you fear the suggestion of sunlight, you are probably pro moldy.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Tin foil hattery nonsense.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

**
I was Juror 5 for the sake of transparency.(there was a sarcasm emote between 'cheat' and 'lets' in the alerters comment that didn't trasfer with on the copy and paste)

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
14. I notice there have been no allegations of fraud in Michigan, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Oklahoma
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 03:42 PM
Mar 2016

Maine, Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, or Vermont.

I wonder why that is.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
15. But you don't deny the attempt at Polk County. I'm wondering if there are more of such
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 03:53 PM
Mar 2016

similar events.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
18. FDR's entrenched establishment lasted around 50 years, and it literally did a world of good. I
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 05:26 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:51 AM - Edit history (2)

realize that nothing in this world of our is permanent -- neither the good nor the bad.

Then the Neo-Cons took over. They've been around for nearly 4 decades now, and
that's more than enough. Our nation is in the gutter. It's time for a change. Bernie
is trying to bring back the good old days of FDR's New Deal. I sure hop he will succeed.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
19. This entrenched establishment is nothing like FDR's.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:00 PM
Mar 2016

That's for damn sure. The rot and corruption has taken over.

You are spot on, Our Revolution is kind of a return, let's say to the New New Deal.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
20. Very true. I think that when the unfairness and cheating in vote counting have gone beyond
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:51 PM
Mar 2016

a certain limit, it's no longer tolerable. We all suffer because of it.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
26. This sounds like a common method for counting folks.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:40 AM
Mar 2016
the
Clinton supporters asked the Sanders people to leave the premises, so that they could
count the votes alone!


It's how we counted ourselves in my Iowa precinct.

We left the room, and came back in, this time in single file, while being counted.

It's easier than having everybody bunched up in a group during the count.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
27. There is a link to the link that I omitted to post in my OP. I'm correcting that omission in
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:00 AM
Mar 2016

the OP, and am also posting that link here. It explains what it's all about:

Hillary Playing Tricks in Polk County - by CoffeeCat: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511477611

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