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Related: About this forumHave the elections and vote-counting been always fair and square - especialy the close ones?
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Last week a Sanders supporter wrote here that she was taking part in the vote-count
at Polk County. When the results showed Sanders had 600 votes and Clinton 540, the
Clinton supporters asked the Sanders people to leave the premises, so that they could
count the votes alone!
Can there be any more direct admission than this that they were going to commit fraud
if left alone? How much more openly dumb than this can anyone get? I doubt it that
they did this out of stupidity. It's more likely they were so sure of receiving support
from higher up, that they just didn't give a damn. Maybe they were even rubbing it
in the faces of the Sanders people.
I am just wondering how widespread is this practice going on? If it happened at Polk
County, it could also happen anywhere else. Do the Sanders people insist on being
present to observe every single vote count? Are they also on the look-out for every
other imaginable type of dirty tricks? And can they do anything about them?
DWS's dirty scheduling of the Democratic Primary debates is known to everyone.
Hillary winning 6 out of 6 coin tosses. (There is 1 chance in 64 of winning all 6
tosses straight).
With these 3 examples staring at us in the face, how much fairness can Progressive
Democrats expect to receive from the Dem. Establishment, who make no bones about
favoring Clinton?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511477611
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511478847
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Cal33
(7,018 posts)and election counts should speak up right here - if they have had similar experiences.
Putting them all together would give us a better general idea. If there should be more
such experiences, then something could be done. Nobody should take this lying down.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,706 posts)Adam Paul Laxalt
Grant Sawyer Building
555 E. Washington Avenue, Suite 3900
Las Vegas, NV 89101
Telephone: 702-486-3420
Fax: 702-486-3768
Tom Miller
Office of the Attorney General of Iowa
Hoover State Office Building
1305 E. Walnut Street
Des Moines IA 50319
Phone: 515-281-5044
Toll-free: 800-373-5044
Maura Healey
Attorney General's Office
One Ashburton Place
Boston, MA 02108-1518
Phone: (617) 727-2200
TTY: (617) 727-476
Mike Dewine
30 E. Broad St., 14th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215
800-282-0515
Chris Koster
Missouri Attorney General's Office
Supreme Court Building
207 W. High St.
P.O. Box 899
Jefferson City, MO 65102 Map
Phone: 573-751-3321
Fax: 573-751-0774
Please feel free to contact them with your allegations of election fraud and if you would be kind enough please share with the rest of us their response.
Thank you in advance.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)in the vote counts -- like CoffeeCat did. If you haven't read her post, you should.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,706 posts)If I felt crimes were committed I would feel it was incumbent upon me to report it to the authorities.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)shown to one Democratic Presidential candidate over another, where neutrality is called for.
I would like to know if there are other DUers here who have had further personal first-hand
information similar to the one experienced by CoffeeCat above. If there are, it would make
a stronger case for lodging complaints. No one should be taking that kind of crap!
You used the word "crime." I didn't. You seem to be in a hurry.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,706 posts)I hope all my research didn't go for naught.
brooklynite
(93,880 posts)other than suggesting that Iowa release the raw vote counts, he hasn't alleged vote tampering anywhere.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,706 posts)I was just being a helpful person. I believe all this noise about Democrat v Democrat election fraud is facile nonsense.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)it that you would still consider it as "facile nonsense", if Sanders supporters had done it
to you Clinton people. The shoe would have been on the other foot!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511477611
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,706 posts)I don't know what else I can do.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)switching sides and joining Bernie Sanders to fight for a righteous cause?
reformist2
(9,841 posts)We don't have election fraud. Not in America. No.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)the Republicans cheat. Correct?
Bodhi BloodWave
(2,346 posts)On Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:58 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
Have the elections and vote-counting been always fair and square - especialy the close ones?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511514201
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Clinton clearly can win if she doesn't cheat let's hide the conspiracy theory stuff please.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:07 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's a legitimate question and deserving of discussion. It's also clear her campaign is not above cheating, if there is question about her integrity, it's her own doing. And lastly, this a not conspiracy theory. It's not even a theory much less theoretical. This stuff, vote tampering, electioneering and outright suppression, happens all the time and are part of American history.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Now we can't ask questions?
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There are clearly valid points in the post, if you disagree then counter them rather then tug at an adults clothing and ask them to hide what you don't like
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If you fear the suggestion of sunlight, you are probably pro moldy.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Tin foil hattery nonsense.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
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I was Juror 5 for the sake of transparency.(there was a sarcasm emote between 'cheat' and 'lets' in the alerters comment that didn't trasfer with on the copy and paste)
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)I love that.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Nice to revisit it.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Maine, Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, or Vermont.
I wonder why that is.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)similar events.
Entrenched establishment is corrupt in all it touchs and all it does.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:51 AM - Edit history (2)
realize that nothing in this world of our is permanent -- neither the good nor the bad.
Then the Neo-Cons took over. They've been around for nearly 4 decades now, and
that's more than enough. Our nation is in the gutter. It's time for a change. Bernie
is trying to bring back the good old days of FDR's New Deal. I sure hop he will succeed.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)That's for damn sure. The rot and corruption has taken over.
You are spot on, Our Revolution is kind of a return, let's say to the New New Deal.
Nailzberg
(4,610 posts)We do the best we can with it.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)a certain limit, it's no longer tolerable. We all suffer because of it.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Clinton supporters asked the Sanders people to leave the premises, so that they could
count the votes alone!
It's how we counted ourselves in my Iowa precinct.
We left the room, and came back in, this time in single file, while being counted.
It's easier than having everybody bunched up in a group during the count.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)the OP, and am also posting that link here. It explains what it's all about:
Hillary Playing Tricks in Polk County - by CoffeeCat: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511477611