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Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:00 AM

Clear evidence that, in a way, "the fix is in" - re how the debate aftermaths are formed....

Many of us here watched the debate, and saw Romney get stomped far worse in the debate than how Obama was impacted in the first debate. In that one, it was more of a laid back, presidential style vs an alpha assault on both moderator and Obama by Romney, but there were no Obama misstatements or mistakes. Yet.....look at the following spin - and, yes, sadly the spin, much of it hand wringing from the media on so-called "our side", probably impacted the polls to a degree.

Last night Romney's "performance" was far worse than what happened to Obama in the first debate - misstatements, clear errors, lies, an utter knock out. Obama's performance was nearly perfect pitch. He destroyed Romney AND looked presidential - both in terms of intellect and leadership.

And what do we wake up to today? A very, very few "Obama slight winner", slew of "the debate was a draw, and both were unlikable", and yes, a few "Romney won on substance".

Yes, the media is part of the corporate bubble - they are in it, a part of it, and very well paid by it. There are many, many factors working against Obama's reelection for a myriad of reasons. He should be smoking Romney in the polls - but the gullibility and laziness and apathy of so many Americans brings us to this media-salivating moment of a "horserace".

Horse Shit, I say. Not sure what to do about it...but some sort of fix is definitely playing out before our eyes. And the reaction to last night's debate just cemented that fact.

edited- sample of titles of articles post-debate, from RCP.

REAL CLEAR POLITICS WEDNESDAY
Candidates Tangle in Fractious Debate - Hook & O'Connor, Wall St. Journal
President Obama Turns It Around - Greg Sargent, Washington Post
Obama's Record Wins It for Mitt - Again - David Harsanyi, Human Events
Obama Bares His Teeth - Frank Bruni, New York Times
Not the Game Changer Obama Needed - Fred Barnes, The Weekly Standard
Moderator Helps Obama Rebut Romney on Libya - Julian Pecquet, The Hill
Yes, Obama Played Politics With Libya - Jonathan Tobin, Commentary
Why Crowley Was Out of Line - Mickey Kaus, The Daily Caller
Obama's Best Debate - Ever - Steve Kornacki, Salon
Improved Obama Won't Halt Mitt's Momentum - Toby Harnden, Dly Mail

Second Debate a Split Decision - USA Today
Mr. Obama Comes Back - New York Times
Romney Wins on Points - New York Post

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Reply Clear evidence that, in a way, "the fix is in" - re how the debate aftermaths are formed.... (Original post)
NRaleighLiberal Oct 2012 OP
GoCubsGo Oct 2012 #1
NRaleighLiberal Oct 2012 #8
GoCubsGo Oct 2012 #20
gkhouston Oct 2012 #10
swayne Oct 2012 #2
C_U_L8R Oct 2012 #3
still_one Oct 2012 #4
lunamagica Oct 2012 #5
wildeyed Oct 2012 #6
RKP5637 Oct 2012 #7
groovedaddy Oct 2012 #9
madrchsod Oct 2012 #11
Onlooker Oct 2012 #12
jimlup Oct 2012 #13
Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #14
NiteOwll Oct 2012 #15
NRaleighLiberal Oct 2012 #16
NYC_SKP Oct 2012 #17
JiminyJominy Oct 2012 #18
flamingdem Oct 2012 #19
stillcool Oct 2012 #21

Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:04 AM

1. Romney won on substance?

Who the hell said that? Let me guess...Fox News. Or, someone watching the Parallel Universe Debate?

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:15 AM

8. Look at just a sampling of article titles on this page - in the center

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:51 AM

20. The usual suspects.

Can't say I'm surprised.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:15 AM

10. Well, if the "substance" was bullshit, yeah, Romney won. n/t

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:05 AM

2. I am seeing this too. The media NEEDS a horserace. They keep propping Romney up...

 

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:05 AM

3. The media is just being media

They are squeezing every ad dollar they can out of this race...
and if it's a blow out for Obama then their ad dollars dry up.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:06 AM

4. They can distort all they want, but people can see for themselves. Also, undecided are a myth.

Those folks are either lying or complete uninformed idiots

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:14 AM

5. That's not what I'm seeing

Even Joe was down on Romney.

Just go to Freeperville. Their posts today prove that even they can spin it in Romney's favor. Their excuses and justifications would be hilarious, if they weren't so pathetic.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:15 AM

6. They decided on that outcome before the debate.

Either Romney wins or it was a draw. They want the horserace to continue for obvious reasons. I am on my Facebook and Twitter posting up a storm in defense of Obama's performance. There is a great video of his closing remarks that just got posted. It must be effective because it got a bunch of negative feedback from my Rep friends as soon as I put it up. Also a bunch of funny stuff about the binders full of women that make Romney look like the ass that he is. And I will be out doing GOTV this weekend as well.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:15 AM

7. MSM is all about $$$$$! MSM wants edgy results to keep viewers watching their SH** while MSM

watches their profits soar.

Much of MSM sounds like babbling fools. And IMO MSNBC is falling by the wayside into the Fox/CNN crowd as Comcast appears to be directing MSNBC more and more. They're all spokesmen for Corporate America, USA, Inc. Americans well might be the most propagandized people on earth ... and under free choice to be propagandized.

Many are so mesmerized by MSM propaganda they don't have any F'en idea what's going on. I've been places where people will say, "Fox said," ... like Fox is some god from the mount on high that spews edicts of irrefutable truths.




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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:15 AM

9. On NPR this a.m., debate coverage included interviews with voters

One guy said how well he thought RMONEY comes across even though half of what he's saying isn't true. There is a strong element in the electorate that just expects to be lied to by ANY politician. So I guess it comes down to: we know they're lying, but who is the better liar?

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:16 AM

11. bbc worldwide had a shill from the wall street journal saying it was good night for romney

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:18 AM

12. I think the tone this morning is very favorable to Obama

I think you have George Will, David Brooks, snap polls, commentators talking about how Obama turned Benghazi into a winning issues, people making fun of Rmoney's position on women's rights, etc., the overall thrust of events is very favorable to Obama. Sure, there are some who are spinning a different story, but that's to be expected. Obama won the debate, and I think that's the general tone of things.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:19 AM

13. This is not unexpected

We knew ahead of time that if we won the MSM would call it a "draw". Since they are saying Obama was the "slight winner" - we apparently won by a landslide.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:19 AM

14. I was going to say that blacks and minorities are accustom to paying the black tax,

but the truth is, they did this same shit to Kerry.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:24 AM

15. The Today show on NBC just said

the debate was a virtual tie. Huh? What does Obama have to do to win if last night's smackdown was a virtual tie???

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Response to NiteOwll (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:26 AM

16. He can't. good illustration of my point. the fix.....

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:34 AM

17. "Obama wins the second debate. Too bad itís not the one that mattered."

On the Yahoo News Feed. What Tripe.

"Obama wins the second debate. Too bad itís not the one that mattered."

Jeff Greenfield

When the evening began, one observation dominated the conversation: ďIf President Barack Obama has another debate like the last one, the electionís over.Ē

When the evening ended, I was struck by a different thought: If Obama had performed this way at the first debate, the election would have been over.

In every debate, whatever the format, whatever the questions, there is one and only one way to identify the winner: Who commands the room? Who drives the narrative? Who is in charge? More often than not on Tuesday night, I think, Obama had the better of it.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-wins-the-second-debate--too-bad-it%E2%80%99s-not-the-one-that-mattered-1568495.html


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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:40 AM

18. I agree with OP

Its puzzling.

Romney was destroyed and yet the media seems to be all over the "Draw or Barely an Obama Win" narrative this morning.

And I pride myself on being objective as I was one of the very first people of like mind to see that O was getting badly beaten in the first debate (I recognized it 5 mins into the debate even though the Dems I watched with were like "no he's doing great").

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:48 AM

19. They're also selling news to Republicans who cannot tolerate

the harsh truth about their ideology and their leaders.

.. just on MSNBC - Maggie Haberman

"Not very forward looking, didn't lay out an agenda" ... just heard this - as if the format allowed it - as if Obama doesn't do this everyday and show the results with unemployment numbers.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:08 AM

21. The 'media' is a fact of life..

and will not change. It has nothing to do with ratings, and everything to do with creating perception. I think if a race is perceived as close, it can be tampered with. As we have seen, votes can be tossed, people can be prevented from voting in a myriad of ways. If the polls and the media indicate a land-slide, it is not possible to steal the amount of votes needed to make a difference, with any sense of credibility. It doesn't matter what the truth is, it matters what the perception is.

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