2016 Postmortem
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FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Wilms
(26,795 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Victoria Nuland is the wife of Robert Kagan, leader of the younger generation of neo-cons. After serving as Hillary Clintons spokesperson, she is now undersecretary of state for Europe and Eurasia.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/american-conquest-by-subversion-victoria-nulands-admits-washington-has-spent-5-billion-to-subvert-ukraine/5367782
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Amazing that we're re-entering the Cold War and rarely hear her name.
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)as should be clear by the fact you don't link to an actual article with his endorsing her.
What he says is that Trump is a monster of the GOP's creation and that he would vote for Clinton over Trump.
To cast that as an endorsement is deliberately misleading. Now, some may well prefer a right-wing, racist billionaire to Hillary, even if their prefered candidate is not a Republican. Should we consider that to amount to an endorsement of Trump? I'd vote for just about anyone over Trump. That doesn't mean I endorse just about anyone.
More daringly, Kagan does not merely denounce Trump, or even swear he will never support him (as other conservatives have done). He states plainly he would vote for Hillary Clinton over Trump. And that, of course, is the only real statement that has force in this context. It is one thing to staunchly oppose a candidate in the primary, but however fierce your opposition, there is always room to come home to the party if you lose the primary. Kagan is connecting Trump to the GOPs extremism and saying that a Trump-led party is unsupportable. That is the sort of opposition that could turn a Trump defeat into an opportunity for internal reform.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/02/first-republican-for-clinton-over-trump-emerges.html
This article contains the link to the original column in the Washington Post, which I can't access since I've used up my free articles for the months.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Wait. No I'm not.
Sid
Avalux
(35,015 posts)For those not familiar with the neocon's penchant for warmongering, here's a statement from PNAC member Reuel Marc Gerecht:
"We have no choice but to re-instill in our foes and friends the fear that attaches to any great power.... Only a war against Saddam Hussein will decisively restore the awe that protects American interests abroad and citizens at home".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
Even though PNAC went extinct (supposedly), its members had and still have close ties to the American Enterprise Institute.
The neocon dream will never die, and apparently Robert Kagan thinks Hillary will continue their efforts to "spread democracy" through fear and domination.
In thinking back to Hillary's IWR vote, was she really mistaken, or was she playing along the whole time?
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)Kagan voting for a DEMOCRAT?
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)You need a better news source. That's the nicest thing I can say without getting a hide.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)There was no endorsement. Unless saying "I'd vote for Clinton over Trump" is considered an endorsement.
Sounds like a slam on Trump to me.
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I hope you will vote for Hillary over the Republican too.
riversedge
(70,084 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)is good for the pander .
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)A truly amazing coalition Clinton has.
It's going to be great when that list of names includes Sanders.
Interesting the need to lie about this "endorsement."
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid