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Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:10 PM

People Forget that Florida is Alabama

Except for Palm Beach, Broward and Miami Dade Counties.

Its amazing a Dem ever wins here in Florida. I hope Obama pulls it off.

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Reply People Forget that Florida is Alabama (Original post)
titaniumsalute Oct 2012 OP
democrat in Tallahassee Oct 2012 #1
titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #4
jody Oct 2012 #2
titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #5
jody Oct 2012 #7
titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #9
jody Oct 2012 #13
DCBob Oct 2012 #8
jody Oct 2012 #17
graham4anything Oct 2012 #33
jody Oct 2012 #44
graham4anything Oct 2012 #47
jody Oct 2012 #58
graham4anything Oct 2012 #67
jody Oct 2012 #68
TroglodyteScholar Oct 2012 #59
jody Oct 2012 #60
TroglodyteScholar Oct 2012 #74
RedStateLiberal Oct 2012 #3
titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #6
HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #14
DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #15
HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #19
DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #21
titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #18
DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #23
HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #24
DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #25
HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #28
DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #36
HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #40
DCBob Oct 2012 #10
HockeyMom Oct 2012 #41
HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #43
Odin2005 Oct 2012 #53
HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #11
titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #20
HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #26
titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #29
bagimin Oct 2012 #35
titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #37
DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #30
titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #38
HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #42
titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #46
HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #49
Daniel537 Oct 2012 #56
titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #61
HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #63
titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #66
HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #70
titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #71
RockaFowler Oct 2012 #55
HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #64
titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #72
titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #73
DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #12
hrmjustin Oct 2012 #16
mgcgulfcoast Oct 2012 #22
titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #27
mgcgulfcoast Oct 2012 #32
titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #34
ancianita Oct 2012 #31
HockeyMom Oct 2012 #39
BlueDemKev Oct 2012 #45
quaker bill Oct 2012 #48
DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #50
Chan790 Oct 2012 #51
Odin2005 Oct 2012 #52
bamacrat Oct 2012 #54
Daniel537 Oct 2012 #57
HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #65
Daniel537 Oct 2012 #69
Freddie Stubbs Oct 2012 #62

Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:25 PM

1. That's not entirely true

Tallahassee in Leon County is bright blue as is Gainesville--that's where two major universities are located. Please don't say we are like Alabama cause we aren't!

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Response to democrat in Tallahassee (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:43 PM

4. ok Talkahasse and Gainesville aside

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:25 PM

2. Florida is not Alabama! I've walked many miles of Florida's beautiful pan-handle beaches from

 

St. George Island Beach Florida to Mobile Alabama.

Those white quartz beaches are the most beautiful in the world.

Politics are another matter but people vote for whom they believe will make their life better and after 77 years I've come to believe it's just a bitter war between opinions.

Either way, I have dear friends from both Dem and Rep leanings and I know they'll all come to my fair-well party.

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Response to jody (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:46 PM

5. im talking politics...not beautiful beaches

I live in FL. It is amazing what I hear people all over this state regarding our President. I have a job that takes me all over FL. I can tell you first hand this place is very Republican.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:13 PM

7. I live in AL, GA, & CA but I love FL and spend much time there. IMO FL is marginally Dem but that

 

could change by November 6.

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Response to jody (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:19 PM

9. we love to have you...

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:22 PM

13. Thanks, I love to discuss politics with young people, that is those under 65. nt

 

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Response to jody (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:16 PM

8. My parents used to live in Milton, FL near Pensacola. Its pretty close to being Alabama.

Clearly there are areas that are not but generally speaking NoFL counties will vote like hardcore southern Republicans.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:30 PM

17. The panhandle is much more conservative than the peninsula. My family has been on the Georgia line

 

with Florida since 1817 when it was still Spanish, first settlers and all that stuff.

I've watched things get better but that region still retains the basics of rural life with self-sufficiency, pride, and independence.

Those traits may not be compatible with urban/suburban life with government in charge of everything.

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Response to jody (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:52 PM

33. Tom T. Hall (country singer and liberal) had a song "St. George Isle" a few years ago

 

Tom was basically retired when he decided to release one more album.Not many people have heard this



and there are great people in Alabama. And soon those great people will be in a blue state.
May take awhile, but it will happen someday

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #33)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:17 PM

44. Damn you for bringing tears to these old eyes and a flood of dreams from my

 

youth.

I've lived a blessed life of 77 years, made friends from many different cultures, tried to change the world, and never gave up -- but I lack the energy to chase dreams anymore.

I do enjoy being a spectator and cheerleader for youngsters, all that's left for me.

Thanks for the memories

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Response to jody (Reply #44)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:43 AM

47. I hope to visit St. George Isle next year or 2014

 

I have wanted to visit based on the images in the song (and later video) St George isle since I first heard the song. I have been in Florida many times, but never stayed in the panhandle I hope to visit St. George Isle next year or 2014 area. We are thinking, depending on finances, about a cross country drive in the spring from NY to Los Angeles' beaches, then on the way back making a number of stops and staying there awhile.

Or if we need to do shorter and more realistic, driving south with stops in DC NC and St. George Isle(instead of going to Orlando and further south) and just relax for a week or so.

And I thank you very much, for mentioning St. George Isle and the beaches in your post, and it has me wanting to get in the car and drive right now and spend the winter there. (I am so tired of winters here and know last years warm one won't happen again this year).

and never give up the fight and dreams. We have changed the world and we all continue to do so, even if it seems slow and that time is passing us by with all the new stuff out there.

I often think of my grandparents,and even the two great-grandparents that I knew, who all are deceased now for 35 and many more years, and how much they witnessed in their life, and since they have been gone, how much has changed since.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #47)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 12:02 PM

58. Time permitting, please drive West from St. George Island along Florida's Emerald Coast to

 

Destin FL , see below and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Coast.

The Gulf Islands National Seashore has been repaired and is as pristine as one can find today as tourist return to the sea. http://www.nps.gov/guis/index.htm


I warn you when you visit the area you'll return again and again.

P.S. If you drive to Pensacola FL add the Navy's Museum at the Naval Air Station, it has one of the very few Zeros from WWII.

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Response to jody (Reply #58)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 08:50 PM

67. Looks beautiful, will add to the itinerary

 

Especially as it is suppose to be near 32 tonight here in NJ.
Wouldn't mind driving down now and staying til spring.

Thanks.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #67)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:03 PM

68. 75 degrees in the Florida pan handle at 8pm. Wish you were here. nt

 

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Response to jody (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:13 PM

59. Coastal Alabama has beautiful white beaches, too...

...but SHH, don't tell anyone!

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Response to TroglodyteScholar (Reply #59)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:21 PM

60. Agree and tourists need to go East to Florida, not Gulf Shores, Orange Beach, et al. nt

 

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:37 PM

3. Please don't generalize.

Even Alabama was not all red in 2008. In fact there's more blue in AL than several other states on this county by county map:

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Response to RedStateLiberal (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:48 PM

6. Thanks for showing

It does have more blue than I thought. Maybe I should have said Florida is like Oklahoma.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:24 PM

14. Florida has half a million more Dems than Rs.

But your ignorance and bigotry is noted.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:27 PM

15. It's A Purple State

It tilts ever so slightly Republican. Clinton carried it 96 and Obama carried it in 08. Gore had it stolen and Kerry made it close.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:36 PM

19. Wouldn't have to be purple,

if the districts weren't gerrymandered, and the Florida Dem Party wasn't so self-serving.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:39 PM

21. The Party Is Too Hero Reliant

It used to be Bob Graham and Lawton Chiles. Now it's Bill Nelson. And , yeah, thanks to gerrymandering at the state and local level the Democratic vote is diluted.

I love Florida. I miss Florida. To compare it with Alabama is asinine.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:35 PM

18. thus Rick Scott, Marco Rubio, and an extreme right wng

State legislature. Whete the fuck do you get off calling me a bigot? Look at who had ran thus state for two decades asshole. Have ever driven back roads between Tampa and I 10? All you see are confederate flags. You need Some education my friend.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #18)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:41 PM

23. I Lived In Greater Orlando From 6/70 -4/12

Bill Clinton carried Florida. Barack Obama carried Florida. Gore had it stolen and Kerry made it close. Alabama hasn't went blue since 1976.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #18)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:43 PM

24. I fucking live here.

Not many people live on those back roads. Those that do are probably relatives of the inbred Ohioan militias. Tampa has a Dem mayor and all Dem city council. Tallahassee and G-ville are very liberal. Jacksonville and Orlando are quite diverse. So stick it up you know where.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #24)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:46 PM

25. Orlando Has A Democratic Mayor, An African American Chief Of Police, And A Gay Councilwoman

Here's the 2008 vote by county:

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/states/president/florida.html

Doesn't look like Alabama to me.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #25)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:49 PM

28. Yes! And Tampa has a lesbian chief of police and congresswoman.

OP is full of shit.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #28)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:55 PM

36. Buddy Dyer Is Awesome

I went to a campaign event in 2000 at Lake Eola and Buddy Dyer, Al Gore, Bill Nelson, and Joe Lieberman were on the dais and I met them all...


FL might not be CA but it's not AL either.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #36)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:01 PM

40. Buddy would be good Governor material...

So would former Tampa Mayor Pam Iorio.

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Response to RedStateLiberal (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:19 PM

10. Looking at that map one would assume this is a solid Republican country.

Thank goodness for the liberal urban highly populated areas!

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Response to RedStateLiberal (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:03 PM

41. Top song played OVER AND OVER

is Sweet Home Alabama. Why is THAT? Margaritaville is second.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #41)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:08 PM

43. If you're listening to that station, you're one of the reasons.

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Response to RedStateLiberal (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:52 AM

53. How did Walker get elected with all that blue in Wisconsin???

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:20 PM

11. That is simply not true.

Only the panhandle is like Alabama. The other parts are quite diverse. OP sounds like a close-minded bigot who's never been to other parts of Florida, yet paints the entire state with a single broad brush.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:38 PM

20. have you been to Polk County?

Have you been to Collier County? Have you been to Okeechobee County? Have you been to Lee County? Have you been to Lucie County? Have you been to He dry County? Yes I have. And about 65 others around the state. And it is Republican as it comes.

Nice try but I know this state and travel it daily.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #20)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:47 PM

26. One vote per person, not per acre.

You're welcome for the civics lesson. Maybe you should get out in the Ohio boondocks and count all the ignorant inbreds before you start trashing other states.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #26)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:49 PM

29. i live in Boca Raton

I have for years. I have traveled every nook and crannie from Key west to the panhandle.

Florida us a lot like Ohio. Rednecks as far as you can see except a few isolated areas.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #29)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:54 PM

35. Me too

whats with all the Romney signs? yuk.

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Response to bagimin (Reply #35)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:58 PM

37. no kidding.

I driv from very West Boca to very east Boca everyday for work. Palmetto, Glades, etc. Are covered with Romney. I see about 4 Obama signs and that's it.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #20)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:50 PM

30. There Is No Lucie County

Have you been to Collier County? Have you been to Okeechobee County? Have you been to Lee County? Have you been to Lucie County? Have you been to He dry County? Yes I have. And about 65 others around the state. And it is Republican as it comes.

Nice try but I know this state and travel it daily


But there is a St. Lucie County that Obama carried 56% -44%:


http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/states/president/florida.html

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #30)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:59 PM

38. Sorry... St. Lucie. We shorten it at work.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #38)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:05 PM

42. Busted.

I guess in that "Republican as it comes" county most republicans voted for Obama...

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #42)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:29 PM

46. hardee har har

Aren't you clever with your busted line...

Of course a few counties are blue...just like Alabama. But overwhelmingly it is a red state. Florida...the home of Ave Maria...the Villages...and of course Ocala.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #46)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 08:23 AM

49. Yet you can't escape the fact that Dems outnumber Rs by 500,000.

Would you like some cheese with your whine? If Florida is a hell-hole for you, then move already. We don't need whiners. We need people who'll fight to make Florida better, not people who carp about it not being the state they left.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #49)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:45 AM

56. That doesn't mean much in and of itself. Even in Oklahoma Ds still outnumber Rs in registration. n/t

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #49)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:26 PM

61. Who's the Governor of Florida? Who's the Senator? Who's the DINO Senator?

Both State Chambers have been under Republican rule since 1996.

So what difference does it make if there's 500,000 more registered Dems? Either they don't vote or when they do vote they are voting Republican.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #61)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:49 PM

63. Or that the districts are gerrymandered,

and the Fl Dem Party is dysfunctional and self-serving. Some peeps are working to fix that. I assume whiners like yourself aren't. You're more than welcome to go back home. One of our problems is water and infrastructure under pressure from population growth. Just go home, since you're determined to be part of the problem, not part of the solution.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #63)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 07:49 PM

66. Enlighten me

How are you helping to fix the dysfunctional and self-serving Fl Dem party. I'm happy to help. What do I need to do?

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #66)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:52 PM

70. Donate and volunteer for individual progressive candidates is a great start.

Vote for party-supported Dems when you must. Yes, that does involve holding one's nose. Otherwise, try and get progressives elected in the primaries in safe districts. This is entirely doable in metropolitan areas.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #70)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 09:05 AM

71. Currently I'm working to get Ted Deutch re-elected in

Florida 19 as a volunteer. I've also done some phoning for Nelson and the President.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #38)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:53 AM

55. Nobody shortens St Lucie to Lucie

I live in St Lucie County and work in Palm Beach. It is far from a Red County. We have a Democratic Mayor in Ft Pierce. A Democratic Sheriff and many Democrats on County Commission. Now if you want to call Martin Red go ahead. That place is a cesspool! But St Lucie is one of the best Democratic regions in the state!

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Response to RockaFowler (Reply #55)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:59 PM

64. OP is a troll.

Merely looking for argument.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #64)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 11:49 AM

72. Hooptie you're an idiot...

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Response to RockaFowler (Reply #55)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 11:50 AM

73. Ok. My mistake. I just know so many counties around

St. Lucie are red. Christ make one mistake and people eat you alive.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:21 PM

12. I Lived In Greater Orlando From 6/70 -4/12

It couldn't be more different than Alabama. The older I got the longer I lived in Orlando than everybody I met. In other words they were all from somewhere else.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:29 PM

16. Obama won by 240,000 votes last time. Hope he wins again.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:41 PM

22. disagree

florida has been competitive for awhile and you may have forgotten who won in 2008.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Reply #22)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:47 PM

27. i didnt forget...

But what I do remember is 2010. Between Skeletor Scott and the State races this state went backward 100 years. We also serve up Marco Rubio and Allen West.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:52 PM

32. rubio gets alot of cuban support

and west is just one district. all is not lost.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Reply #32)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:54 PM

34. yeah...

West won in one of the most blue areas of FL.. go figure. He's my rep. Ugg. I need a beer.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:51 PM

31. I lived in Florida -- southeast, west and north Florida. Actually, it's more like south Georgia.

Although I agree with everyone here that it's trying hard to be Democratic. Alabama, it ain't.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:00 PM

39. Collier is the Ailen Breeding Ground of Rick Scott,

Connie Mack, Tea Party, and Resting Place of 1%. "Lookie here, we got ourselves at DEMOCRAT". That was my first experience in voting here. Golden Gate area of poor and minorities is districted to MIAMI. Gotta keep this place BLOOD RED anyway they can.

It is not easy be a transplanted Democrat New Yorker HERE.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:20 PM

45. West of Tallahassee, YES

But fortunately, there are signs of intelligent life in the Sunshine State unlike its dixie neighbors.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 07:48 AM

48. Obama won Orange Co easily

and will do so again.

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Response to quaker bill (Reply #48)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:08 AM

50. I Think Orange County Hasn't Gone Red Since 88

I would have to check.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:29 AM

51. People forget a lot of things.

People forget that parts of upstate NY are also Alabama if we're talking voting tendencies.
People forget that a large swatch of Maryland around Frostburg is as religious-conservative as parts of western VA.
People forget that large rural areas of CT, MA, VT, OR and CA (by voting tendencies, the 5 most-liberal US states) are also conservative.

People also forget that a lot of these aren't going to affect a whole hell of a lot on Election Day.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:48 AM

52. I have a friend who taught 4th Grade in Ocala...

She said the area was a shit hole, and she grew up on the Rez in western NoDak. When sobody from the Rez says your place sucks, it must REALLY suck.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:52 AM

54. Redneck Riviera.

You are right most of FL is like Bama, just with more Latinos.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:49 AM

57. It ain't Bama, but its definitely a lean R state

Yes Obama won here in '08, but even under the perfect conditions he only won by 2.5 whereas Bush in a tough re-election in '04 won by 5. And we only have one Dem in an elected statewide office, Bill Nelson. People forget that not all registered Dems vote Dem. Plus the Hispanic vote here is closer than most other states due to the Cuban-American vote which goes strongly for the Rs.

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Response to Daniel537 (Reply #57)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 07:05 PM

65. Only older Cubans are solid R.

Younger ones tend more towards typical hispanic trends. And Cubans are vastly out-numbered by other Latinos... Colombians, Venezuelans, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, etc.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #65)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:15 PM

69. Yes, but those solid R Cubans vote at much higher numbers than all the other Hispanics

I'm one of those young Cubans who votes Dem, but there just aren't enough of us right now to counter the oldies, although they are starting to fade and by decade's end the Cuban vote will probably be a swing vote.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:46 PM

62. Horseshit! Obama won FL 51%-48% in 2008

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