2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Despised Democrats In 1980s, Said A JFK Speech Once Made Him Sick
Vermont senator and Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders once said that he was "physically nauseated" by a speech made by President John F. Kennedy when Sanders was a young man, because Kennedy's "hatred for the Cuban Revolution [...] was so strong."
"Kennedy was young and appealing and ostensibly liberal," Sanders reminisced in a 1987 interview with The Gadfly, a student newspaper at the University of Vermont. "But I think at that point, seeing through Kennedy, and what liberalism was, was probably a significant step for me to understand that conventional politics or liberalism was not what was relevant."
In the same interview, he also criticized Jesse Jackson's decision to try and affect change by "working within the Democratic party" and offered some pointed remarks about Walter Mondale.
Sanders told The Gadfly that endorsing the Democratic ticket in 1984 and "campaigning for Mondale [...] was a very difficult thing to do."
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ilanbenmeir/bernie-sanders-despised-democrats-in-1980s-said-a-jfk-speech
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)...to bash Democrats and the Democratic Party?
What's the favorite?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)contradictory and then change it within years or minutes later and that's cool. She can even criticize obama (and her husband too) regarding things including Syria and Iran and that's cool.
Bernie does the same thing and its the APOCALYPSE!
scscholar
(2,902 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Got anything else?
DrDan
(20,411 posts)of course labels matter
jillan
(39,451 posts)as as far as Jesse Jackson, Bernie campaigned for him! lol!!!!
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Damn Commie,Nazi Musim
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The word kgb was thrown in there too.
That's what swift boating on the left looks like.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)1) Why would you introduce religion into a topic that has nothing to do with religion?
2) Do you share his assessment of our martyred president?
Thank you in advance.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Sander's said some bad things about Democrats decades ago!!!!! Get the rope!!!!!
DrDan
(20,411 posts)that was decades ago
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)learns, grows, and observes changes in the world
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)in 1984.
Next?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Anything to avoid discussing the issues.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)in the world arena that they admit while trying to pretend it didn't matter.
A coup in Iran, supporting military dictatorships in the Mid East/ Latin & South America/Cuba/Southeast Asia, milquetoast Democratic responses to GOP attacks and the general shift of the party to the right and corporations...away from their base of the public have left the Democratic party shilling for $$ outside of Goldman Sachs instead of remembering what they were supposed to stand for.
Sanders is critical where others just want fawning adoration and beach photos.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)He tried to persuade Jesse to run as an independent unsuccessfully.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)I mean this seriously when I say Bernie Sanders should have run as an independent rather than carpetbagging in the Democratic "establishment"'s primary contest. His well-documented lifelong disdain for the Democratic Party, his adamancy about clinging to the Independent moniker, his advice to other, previous candidates that change can't come from within the party all point to his hypocrisy on this matter now.
His choice to use the Democratic Party's primary system as a jumping-off point for a presidential candidacy was never about not wanting to be a spoiler. He clearly doesn't care a whit about that. It was rather a canny way to get a year's worth of exposure and press and tv time, which he never would have gotten had he skipped the Democratic Party process. There would have been nothing for him to hang his hat on: no debates, no media coverage, no primaries. (Indeed, it was his perfect year to perform this move: in a "normal" election year there would have been 6 or 8 credible candidates, and he would have been the Al Sharpton or Dennis Kucinich among the group; this year, there were essentially only Clinton and "anti-Clinton," and given that nobody else stepped up to the plate, he won the anti-Clinton position.)
Hillary Clinton has been the clear favorite of registered Democratic voters. The fact that primaries and caucuses in many states have moved to an open or semi-open format in recent decades, in which Independents can choose to vote in either one of the parties' primary nominating contests, or re-register on site, has definitely weakened both parties' cohesiveness. It's contributed largely to the increasing divisiveness and paralysis in the country, since each party must now cater to these forces.
I say form new parties if you don't like the current ones. Be a mensch and stand on your own, if that's what you claim to believe. There's nothing that says we can't have more than two parties in this country. It's just that Bernie Sanders knows that he would lose big time in such a scenario. Since he thinks both parties are equally corrupt, he shouldn't care a whit (and probably doesn't) whether a Democrat or a Republican wins the presidency.
I started out this campaign thinking Bernie Sanders was a pretty nice guy but with perhaps unrealistic expectations for what kinds of change are possible. I've actually grown to find him quite unsavory and underhanded. That's never really happened to me before in a Democratic primary contest.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Jarqui
(10,123 posts)Then he tried with Jesse Jackson. He went on to use Jesse's Rainbow Coalition to help him get elected to the House in the early 90s as an indepdent.
And he's seen a long list of 3rd party players never come close. Wallace, Perot or Nader made a little noise but never got anything done.
Bernie is 74. He's fought for the things he's talking about all his life. He doesn't have time to start another party and frankly neither do we.
As well, with his plans, if he pulls it off, both major partys in Washington will get a good overhaul.
I don't have much problem with any of it. I don't care for the other candidates. I hope he pulls it off.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Sander's has caucused with the Democrats for a long time. He votes with the Democrats consistently. He has every right to run for president as a Democrat. Perhaps now he believes doing so is worthwhile since the party has been steadily moving in the wrong direction and he can change that.
As for Hillary being the favorite of the registered Democrats, who cares. That doesn't mean one thing until the campaign is run and the votes are counted. She was the overwhelming favorite of that same group in 2008. How'd that work out?
And your foolish statement that Sanders doesn't care whether a Democrat or Republican wins the presidency is contemptible. It's typical dishonesty from a Hillary fanatic.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Don't you love these "Erstwhile political reporters" who Tweet everything Republican, including what they do and say whilst speaking to the Heritage Foundation quoting Politico?
WOW! That's so third way of you!
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)For example, enabling Bush to start a war that plenty of us knew would only destabilize the mideast.
Nanjeanne
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Hekate
(90,645 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom