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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 01:34 PM Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders Despised Democrats In 1980s, Said A JFK Speech Once Made Him Sick

Vermont senator and Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders once said that he was "physically nauseated" by a speech made by President John F. Kennedy when Sanders was a young man, because Kennedy's "hatred for the Cuban Revolution [...] was so strong."

"Kennedy was young and appealing and ostensibly liberal," Sanders reminisced in a 1987 interview with The Gadfly, a student newspaper at the University of Vermont. "But I think at that point, seeing through Kennedy, and what liberalism was, was probably a significant step for me to understand that conventional politics or liberalism was not what was relevant."

In the same interview, he also criticized Jesse Jackson's decision to try and affect change by "working within the Democratic party" and offered some pointed remarks about Walter Mondale.

Sanders told The Gadfly that endorsing the Democratic ticket in 1984 and "campaigning for Mondale [...] was a very difficult thing to do."

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ilanbenmeir/bernie-sanders-despised-democrats-in-1980s-said-a-jfk-speech

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Bernie Sanders Despised Democrats In 1980s, Said A JFK Speech Once Made Him Sick (Original Post) onehandle Feb 2016 OP
buzzfeed.com is Hillary supporters new favorite site Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #1
So what are the innumerable number of RW sites the 'Not Hillary' Party uses... onehandle Feb 2016 #4
Communiqués are are coming directly from Politburo central committee comrade Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #6
its kind of comical. she can take any position no matter how roguevalley Feb 2016 #32
But that doesn't mean it isn't true! scscholar Feb 2016 #11
People don't care about labels anymore. Dawgs Feb 2016 #2
then why doesn't BS run as an indy? "People don't care about labels" DrDan Feb 2016 #18
Not agreeing with Kennedy's stance on Cuba does not equal despising Democrats. And jillan Feb 2016 #3
And I heard, one time, he jaywalked! [nt] Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #5
I'm beginning to think that all is not as it appears to be. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #7
He's really a member of the Fifth Column Armstead Feb 2016 #10
Yep, one poster even said he was running a desinformatsiya campaign. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #15
I gather the 'fake jew' meme didn't take off? HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #8
Two questions, please. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #9
Oh NOOOOO! BillZBubb Feb 2016 #12
how many times have you read right here that Hillary was a Goldwater Girl DrDan Feb 2016 #19
Oh, I agree. That is irrelevant. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #26
thanks for a bit of sanity - I always thought it a sign of maturity to change opinions as one DrDan Feb 2016 #33
Here's what I take away from this: Sanders endorsed the Democratic ticket and campaigned for Mondale Smarmie Doofus Feb 2016 #13
This shit again? How many more times are you guys going to post it? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #14
The United States did a lot of wrong things R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #16
He supported and campaigned for Jesse Jackson in '84 (and '88) Jarqui Feb 2016 #17
He should take his own advice frazzled Feb 2016 #22
Great post Empowerer Feb 2016 #25
Bernie tried the Liberty Union party Jarqui Feb 2016 #27
What a bunch of baloney. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #31
So, now you're into quoting RW bloggers like IIan Ben-Meir? MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #20
Some Democrats do things that make me sick too. EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #21
Deja vu all over again Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #23
KnR. The photo of the original news clipping says it all, doesn't it? Hekate Feb 2016 #24
Predictably Spreading Establishment FUD - Meme Number 223 cantbeserious Feb 2016 #28
I still despise Reagan 'Democrats' - What's the problem? Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #29
And now he wants to run as a Democrat. HYPOCRISY ! RBInMaine Feb 2016 #30

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
4. So what are the innumerable number of RW sites the 'Not Hillary' Party uses...
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 01:39 PM
Feb 2016

...to bash Democrats and the Democratic Party?

What's the favorite?

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
32. its kind of comical. she can take any position no matter how
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:03 PM
Feb 2016

contradictory and then change it within years or minutes later and that's cool. She can even criticize obama (and her husband too) regarding things including Syria and Iran and that's cool.

Bernie does the same thing and its the APOCALYPSE!

jillan

(39,451 posts)
3. Not agreeing with Kennedy's stance on Cuba does not equal despising Democrats. And
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 01:39 PM
Feb 2016

as as far as Jesse Jackson, Bernie campaigned for him! lol!!!!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
15. Yep, one poster even said he was running a desinformatsiya campaign.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 01:57 PM
Feb 2016

The word kgb was thrown in there too.

That's what swift boating on the left looks like.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
9. Two questions, please.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 01:46 PM
Feb 2016

1) Why would you introduce religion into a topic that has nothing to do with religion?

2) Do you share his assessment of our martyred president?

Thank you in advance.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
33. thanks for a bit of sanity - I always thought it a sign of maturity to change opinions as one
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:56 PM
Feb 2016

learns, grows, and observes changes in the world

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
13. Here's what I take away from this: Sanders endorsed the Democratic ticket and campaigned for Mondale
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 01:53 PM
Feb 2016

in 1984.

Next?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
14. This shit again? How many more times are you guys going to post it?
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 01:55 PM
Feb 2016

Anything to avoid discussing the issues.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
16. The United States did a lot of wrong things
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 01:58 PM
Feb 2016

in the world arena that they admit while trying to pretend it didn't matter.

A coup in Iran, supporting military dictatorships in the Mid East/ Latin & South America/Cuba/Southeast Asia, milquetoast Democratic responses to GOP attacks and the general shift of the party to the right and corporations...away from their base of the public have left the Democratic party shilling for $$ outside of Goldman Sachs instead of remembering what they were supposed to stand for.

Sanders is critical where others just want fawning adoration and beach photos.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
17. He supported and campaigned for Jesse Jackson in '84 (and '88)
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:06 PM
Feb 2016

He tried to persuade Jesse to run as an independent unsuccessfully.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
22. He should take his own advice
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:33 PM
Feb 2016

I mean this seriously when I say Bernie Sanders should have run as an independent rather than carpetbagging in the Democratic "establishment"'s primary contest. His well-documented lifelong disdain for the Democratic Party, his adamancy about clinging to the Independent moniker, his advice to other, previous candidates that change can't come from within the party all point to his hypocrisy on this matter now.

His choice to use the Democratic Party's primary system as a jumping-off point for a presidential candidacy was never about not wanting to be a spoiler. He clearly doesn't care a whit about that. It was rather a canny way to get a year's worth of exposure and press and tv time, which he never would have gotten had he skipped the Democratic Party process. There would have been nothing for him to hang his hat on: no debates, no media coverage, no primaries. (Indeed, it was his perfect year to perform this move: in a "normal" election year there would have been 6 or 8 credible candidates, and he would have been the Al Sharpton or Dennis Kucinich among the group; this year, there were essentially only Clinton and "anti-Clinton," and given that nobody else stepped up to the plate, he won the anti-Clinton position.)

Hillary Clinton has been the clear favorite of registered Democratic voters. The fact that primaries and caucuses in many states have moved to an open or semi-open format in recent decades, in which Independents can choose to vote in either one of the parties' primary nominating contests, or re-register on site, has definitely weakened both parties' cohesiveness. It's contributed largely to the increasing divisiveness and paralysis in the country, since each party must now cater to these forces.

I say form new parties if you don't like the current ones. Be a mensch and stand on your own, if that's what you claim to believe. There's nothing that says we can't have more than two parties in this country. It's just that Bernie Sanders knows that he would lose big time in such a scenario. Since he thinks both parties are equally corrupt, he shouldn't care a whit (and probably doesn't) whether a Democrat or a Republican wins the presidency.

I started out this campaign thinking Bernie Sanders was a pretty nice guy but with perhaps unrealistic expectations for what kinds of change are possible. I've actually grown to find him quite unsavory and underhanded. That's never really happened to me before in a Democratic primary contest.



Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
27. Bernie tried the Liberty Union party
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:43 PM
Feb 2016

Then he tried with Jesse Jackson. He went on to use Jesse's Rainbow Coalition to help him get elected to the House in the early 90s as an indepdent.

And he's seen a long list of 3rd party players never come close. Wallace, Perot or Nader made a little noise but never got anything done.

Bernie is 74. He's fought for the things he's talking about all his life. He doesn't have time to start another party and frankly neither do we.

As well, with his plans, if he pulls it off, both major partys in Washington will get a good overhaul.

I don't have much problem with any of it. I don't care for the other candidates. I hope he pulls it off.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
31. What a bunch of baloney.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:51 PM
Feb 2016

Sander's has caucused with the Democrats for a long time. He votes with the Democrats consistently. He has every right to run for president as a Democrat. Perhaps now he believes doing so is worthwhile since the party has been steadily moving in the wrong direction and he can change that.

As for Hillary being the favorite of the registered Democrats, who cares. That doesn't mean one thing until the campaign is run and the votes are counted. She was the overwhelming favorite of that same group in 2008. How'd that work out?

And your foolish statement that Sanders doesn't care whether a Democrat or Republican wins the presidency is contemptible. It's typical dishonesty from a Hillary fanatic.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
20. So, now you're into quoting RW bloggers like IIan Ben-Meir?
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:14 PM
Feb 2016

Don't you love these "Erstwhile political reporters" who Tweet everything Republican, including what they do and say whilst speaking to the Heritage Foundation quoting Politico?

WOW! That's so third way of you!

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
21. Some Democrats do things that make me sick too.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:15 PM
Feb 2016

For example, enabling Bush to start a war that plenty of us knew would only destabilize the mideast.

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