So how many more notable Democrats will Hillary use as projectiles?

[AZ Progressive]

She seems determined to harm the reputation of as many notable people as she can in order to win.

[jillan]

1. Can I just say how disgusted I am that she has the nerve to wrap herself around Obama after 2008

Obama is not muslim AS FAR AS I KNOW! or Bill's comments that not long ago people like Obama would've been carrying your bags.

Nasty nasty people.

[AtomicKitten]

3. In effect she's throwing Obama under the bus.

[Beacool]

5. He chose her as his SOS and they have become friends.

The 2008 campaign is water under the bridge.

[MellowDem]

8. Let's assume what you say is true...

Obama could've picked her as SOS because of her powerful connections, regardless of how he felt about her. And he could definitely keep up the appearance of friendship. Happens in politics all the time. But let's say it's true, Obama has forgiven her, no big deal.

Why should I forgive her? I think using racial dog whistles in a campaign is not something I can forgive, and it doesn't change anything if Obama does, it tells me something about Clinton's character.

I don't want someone that thinks it's ok to use underhanded tactics of any kind in a campaign. It's not like she ever apologized or even owned up to it.

[Beacool]

13. Oh, please.......

It's politics, people fight like cats and dogs, and when the battle is over, they shake themselves up and go for a drink. It's the supporters who take it so seriously.

[MellowDem]

16. Some supporters...

other supporters apparently think it's no big deal. If that's the case, I see the appeal for a lot of people of Trump, and I think that sort of mindset is how we get someone like him as President.

I think it is a big deal to use racial dog whistles, or to imply that someone is a secret Muslim, especially in the environment Obama was in, for brief electoral advantage.

I know politicians will fight and aren't perfect, but I do want to try to find someone who isn't a total asshole.

[AtomicKitten]

21. I think it's a big deal too & will never forgive that ugliness.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

34. Oh, so these politicians are amoral?

Or is it all just a game to then IYHO?

Either way, no thank you for amoral assholes or gamers.


Fuck them and their followers. They've screwed up enough.

[Empowerer]

14. Sanders voted to confirm her ...

If he thought her behavior was so awful, shouldn't he have stood up and fought her nomination?

[MellowDem]

20. Absolutely...

And let's say he felt that way, but didn't stand up to her. He still seems like a much better person than she is. I'd rather take the person that doesn't stand up to the bully than the bully themselves.

I'm not asking for perfection, people aren't perfect, but I have essentially two choices in this limited democracy, and it's not even close who the better person is morally, IMHO.

[Empowerer]

22. I thought Bernie ALWAYS stands up for what's right

i didn't realize he only does that if it means not having to deal with bullies.

[MellowDem]

26. You think wrong...

Or attack a strawman. I don't think Bernie is perfect, I just think he's a nicer person with better ideas.

A really consistently good person wouldn't be able to be a politician at all the way our system is set up, and the only thing that has helped Sanders is not being part of giant political machinery. The practical considerations that require a person to stay elected in a party, not to mention rise in it, seem to require moral ambiguity.

Sanders does deal with bullies, and while Clinton is a dog whistling corporatist, she's actually not that bad compared to the other kids on the playground, if you can believe it. So he picks his battles. Still, her actions speak loudly, and I don't respect her as much as Sanders.

[berniepdx420]

30. Straw argument.... the question is whether voters will forgive her and bill for the

2008 race baiting..... right ?

[berniepdx420]

29. +420

[Docreed2003]

32. Agreed...

The '08 slanders were way below the level of civil politics. Not something that I personally could just "shake off". In fact, every right wing smear, from Birthers to secret Muslim, to Jeremiah Wright originated within the Clinton Camp. She even refused to step aside from her campaign and used the tragedy of RFK in '68 as an excuse. Yes she was appointed Sec of State, but I think that was truly a political olive branch on the part of the President in order to secure support from the Clinton Machine in the general election. If he truly trusted her, he wouldn't have had an envoy to the Middle East report directly to him, rather than falling under State. Interestingly, that position now reports to Sec Kerry directly...

[Qutzupalotl]

2. Apparently all Democrats are tainted by taking the DNC's money from Wall Street.

She doesn't care how many reputations she tarnishes in her quest for power.

[Beacool]

4. The dissonance in this place is amazing.

She's not doing anything of the sort. Why would most Democratic elected officials endorse Sanders? The man wasn't even a Democrat until he decided to run for president. Most Democrats in office will support the actual Democrat. It was Sanders' choice to remain an Independent democratic (small "d&quot Socialist all his public life.

Also, Sanders' supporters need to stop insulting party leaders like John Lewis. They may support and endorse Hillary, but how they choose to do so is precisely that, their choice. You all act as if Hillary gives them a script to read. That's pathetic and offensive to Lewis and everybody else.

[MellowDem]

10. So most Democratic officials...

Will support someone based on their membership, and not their ideology? I think I see the disconnect. It's not dissonance, it's just that you misunderstand that for many people here, claiming a label means nothing, your beliefs and actions are what matter.

[Beacool]

17. They support the Democrat who has been there for them.

The one who campaigned for them, helped them pass legislature and raised money, along with her husband, for their campaigns. Sanders hasn't been part of the party. It's not that difficult to understand why most of them would support her over him.

[MellowDem]

23. It's not difficult at all...

As you said yourself, she helped them out personally. Is that what politics should be, politicians help out those who help them? Essentially, look out for their political interests first? Should how much another politician campaigned for them be a priority issue of who they decide to endorse? Is that what representing others is about? I don't think it should be, but I also understand it's why the Democratic Party doesn't represent many people's interests as much as its own interest.

[RobertEarl]

24. You get it, MellowDem

I call them the elites. They are so wrapped up in scratching each others backs they have forgotten the people. And the people can't do much because the elites make sure their fellow elites get the money for their campaigns. Round and round they go.

[Docreed2003]

33. Um...

You do realize that Sen Sanders has caucused, helped pass legislation, held important committee positions, and raised money for Democrats for a long time right??? It's not just some fluke that he's running under the Democratic Party banner

[Empowerer]

6. So, now, John Lewis, Eric Holder, Anthony Foxx, Julian Castro, et al, are "projectiles?"

[Beacool]

9. Apparently, anyone who doesn't endorse Sanders is a "projectile".

[AZ Progressive]

12. Of course I'm talking about "projectiles" as people she's using to do the dirty work for her

As if she's using them as projectiles to attack Bernie.

[Beacool]

15. NO, she's not.

How hard is it for some of you to understand that Democrats support Democrats. Sanders just showed up at the party. It's no more sinister than that.

[AZ Progressive]

18. She used John Lewis to throw deceptive insinuations at the very least, about Sanders' credibility

Stop putting your fingers in your ears.

[Beacool]

19. Look, let's leave it at that because it's like talking to a wall.

Just for the record, no one uses John Lewis. He said what he said because that's how he felt.

[AtomicKitten]

7. I hate that she drags otherwise good people into participating in her campaign's skulduggery.

[elleng]

11. as many as it takes.

[TheBlackAdder]

25. The fact that so many resources are needed to tread water, is the most revealing thing here! nt

[thereismore]

27. She is going to get Obama besmirched. nt

[HooptieWagon]

28. She's got 38 Senators and 100 more Reps.

There's plenty of reputations she hasn't covered in her slime yet.

[7wo7rees]

31. Scorched earth policy in play.

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She will have her crown.

I have my doubts that she will reign.

The Kissinger stuff is just my last straw.She should have never mentioned him or held him up in high regard. Period.

The record was out there along with many happy pictures.

I can't forgive it and for that alone I can't support her. Ever. Does that mean I get banned from DU? I hope not.