Clinton Campaign just experimenting with new Campaign Concept

[Rilgin]

They figure if they can get people to believe that a picture of Bernie is not Bernie, they will point to all all the inconvenient videos of Clinton and say its not a picture of Clinton but was of someone else.

For example, the pictures and videos of Hillary making the claim that she went to Bosnia under sniper fire have now been proved to not be Hillary even though it looks like her. It was actually Sally Clintondoppleganger. This is absolutely proven because they stopped someone on the street who agreed with the claim and unfortunately Sally Clintondoppleganger is not around to definitively challenge it was her. They will then get connected reporters to spread it all over the MSM without of course checking with anyone who was there or the person taking the pictures.

Just think of the possibilities for her. No more inconvenient votes like for the Iraq War, for the Bankruptcy Bill, against a ban on Cluster Munitions. Her speeches against gay marriage will poof just like that because there is now absolute unsourced and unveriified proof that it was not Hillary making those votes or taking those positions. And to anyone questioning it, just prove otherwise.

[highprincipleswork]

1. LOL.

[99th_Monkey]

2. Camp Clinton's Meta-Message : "Talk about ANYTHING BUT TRANSCRIPTS"

[NanceGreggs]

3. The reason the HRC camp ...

... isn't talking about the transcripts is because NO ONE CARES ABOUT THEM but the BSers who are hoping against hope that they contain something that will destroy Hillary - because they know that's the only chance Bernie has at winning the nomination. He can't win it on his own merits. Only a major gotcha that knocks Hill on her ass would save him now.

[Duckhunter935]

4. gotcha?

She is the one to make that speeches for ALMOST THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS and pocketed the money.

[NanceGreggs]

6. And that became illegal when? n/t

[Duckhunter935]

7. it's not

But to be an informed voter that information of what she says behind closed doors is very pertinent.

[NanceGreggs]

23. So will Bernie be disclosing ...

... what he said "behind closed doors" to his campaign staff when they got caught accessing Hill's computer data? What about what he said "behind closed doors" about using unauthorized logos on his mailers, or his campaigners posing as union members? What did Bernie say "behind closed doors" about the BLM activists who disrupted his speech?

Those "behind closed doors" statements are much more pertinent than what Hillary said to a roomful of people - including wait staff, security staff, etc. - any one of whom could have repeated what they'd heard. And yet, not a single person has ever come forward to say, "You're not going to BELIEVE what that woman said!"

This sudden curiosity about Hillary's speeches is transparent on its face. Bernie is about to face primaries in states where Hill is far ahead of him in the polls, and even the most optimistic BSers knows those numbers aren't going to suddenly flip to Bernie's favour.

So the hope now is that there is something in those transcripts - I've seen the "47%er statement" possibility raised many times - that will so irreparably damage HRC, Bernie will surge ahead overnight.

Not gonna happen. There was actually a thread here recently about how Hillary "speaks in code" in her paid speeches, so the absence of anything untoward in those transcripts is proof positive that she was saying wink-wink-nod-nod things that couldn't be detected by outsiders.

It's all just bullshit - and desperate bullshit at that.

[earthshine]

17. If I found out my candidate was giving high-priced pep talks to big banksters ...

I'd abandon Bernie immediately.

But, he doesn't. He's fought against racial and economic injustice all his adult life.

[tk2kewl]

5. Bullshit

[Duckhunter935]

8. many people do indeed care

We want to be informed voters

[libdem4life]

9. Right. It's a dirty trick to find out what's worth 6 figure donations to banksters to listen to.

This is nothing about Bernie...sorry. It's all about HRC. She's been roundly criticized by far more than we DU Bernie supporters. Good lord...we didn't invent looking into candidates history...no matter whose it is. Perhaps we should purge the internet of her photos with Kissenger, say, for example. Or "palling around" with heads of MegaBanks.

Or the Foundation...nothing to see here. It's all about those dirty Bernie tricksters.

Frankly, Hillary can't win because of the imbalance of her merits and lack of merits. There are plenty of both. I won't knock her, but I won't overlook her glaring political flaws. She can shame the Democrats into overlooking things, but the Republicans will not be nearly as kind.

[Duckhunter935]

11. I would like to see the decisions as SS

and donations to Bill and the foundation explored

[libdem4life]

14. So would many people. But The Chorus of Silence Shaming is loud around here.

Like the family secrets...we don't talk about them so, voila, they don't exist. And whoever tries...is excoriated and shunned. It's Family Dynamics 101. (minus the Republicans)

[Warren DeMontague]

12. "No one cares" about what specifically is worth 200k in an hour long speech to goldman sachs?

However, simply everyone who is anyone is absolutely consumed with fascination over a photograph from the university of chicago from 52 years ago.

[libdem4life]

15. Very good point.

[NanceGreggs]

18. Many politicians ...

... are paid exorbitant fees for speaking. Do you think the average voter cares what they said?

"everyone who is anyone is absolutely consumed with fascination over a photograph"

Hardly. I really don't even understand what the fuss is about. That photo doesn't prove or disprove BS's activities during that time period. I have no reason to doubt that Bernie did what he said he did - and there being a photo of him doing it is irrelevant.

I couldn't care less about that photo. It is of no consequence whatsoever.

[Warren DeMontague]

19. Yes.

Actually, I do.

[thesquanderer]

22. re: "Many politicians are paid exorbitant fees for speaking"

It's an interesting question. Have any presidents been paid those kinds of fees *before* they were president?

In a thread about the fact that Sanders donated his (relatively meager) speaking fees to charity, it was pointed out that the rules of the Senate require such fees to be donated to charity, to avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived. From that perspective, the interest in Clinton's speaking fees would seem to be justifiable. Though you might have a point that the issue of the contents of the speeches is minor by comparison. I think most of us probably assume they were pretty supportive of the GS view of the world, whether we get to read them or not. I doubt those are the speeches where she told them to "cut it out." (If they were, I think she'd be releasing them.)

[NanceGreggs]

25. I don't know.

Nor do I care.

The real point is this: If Hill released the transcripts and they contained nothing that could be construed as a "gotcha" moment, the BSers would simply say that she altered the transcripts before releasing them. If she doesn't release them, they'll say she's hiding something nefarious.

Ergo, there is NO point in releasing them. The BSers are going to yell "AHA- she's lying!" either way.

In effect, the BSers themselves have removed any reason whatsoever for HRC to release those transcripts, because they've already made it clear that they're going to find her "guilty" of something either way.

[Duckhunter935]

27. I do

As it is basically bribery

[NanceGreggs]

28. So says an anonmymous guy on the internet ...

You're accusing HRC of taking bribes?

Fine.

Prove it.

[Duckhunter935]

31. do you think she would take a call from me or you?

I bet she takes a call from someone that gave 250K. Thar money gets you access the normal person will never have. Yes I believe that is basically a bribe. Keep your head in the sand if you want, I do not have mine there.

[NanceGreggs]

32. How many of your calls ...

... has Bernie taken lately?

[Duckhunter935]

33. I have not called him

But I bet he would be much more likely to actually speeking to me. That is my opinion and you will not change that. I guess we will just have to disagree about the excessive money and access by some.

[NanceGreggs]

34. Well, if you haven't called BS ...

... and you haven't called HRC, you're really not in a position to say who would be more likely to take your call, are you?

[Duckhunter935]

35. I think it is general knowledge, so yes

Like I said, I do not have my head in the sand and we will not agree. Have a great night.

[NanceGreggs]

36. It's "general knowledge" ...

... that Bernie would take your call while HRC never would?

Based on what facts has this become "general knowledge"?

[Duckhunter935]

37. it's general knowledge

That if you give a person a three quarters of a million dollars, they will take your call.

[NanceGreggs]

38. Well, I suggest you call Bernie ...

... and see how fast he takes your call.

[Hydra]

30. There you go being logical again...

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. You are correct, this has never, ever been a controversial subject

http://articles.mcall.com/keyword/honoraria

[earthside]

10. I think you are on to something here.

This is not Hillary Clinton.

[Duckhunter935]

13. see all of that sniper fire?

[libdem4life]

16. Uh huh. In danger of Life and Limb.

[840high]

21. Such a brave woman.

[thesquanderer]

24. Yeah. In another thread, I put forth the theory that the woman in Bosnia...

...who greeted the little girl on the tarmac wasn't Hillary at all, but a Secret Service double named Val. Hillary's own more dangerous arrival wasn't filmed.

[earthside]

20. Newly discovered photo.

Hillary Clinton dancing with Barney Fife.

Same yellow jacket.

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This IS Hillary Clinton.

This is photographic evidence that Hillary Clinton is very supportive of local police

[winter is coming]

26. Okay, you made me laugh.

You win DU for the day.

Sorry it's a booby prize

[Rilgin]

29. They have added a wrinkle to the strategy.

The Clinton campaign finally realized they do not get that much mileage from just denying that the picture of Bernie is Bernie and just claiming pictures of Hillary arent her.

They are playing with the concept of claiming that the pictures of Bernie in Chicago of the demonstator leading the sit in are actually hillary. Thus the will accomplish 2 things with one claim. Dis bernie and explain how John Lewis could have met Hillary in the Civil rights movement.

As dirty campaign strategists they are the best.