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brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:07 AM Feb 2016

Here’s one reason the Clinton campaign might not be panicking (too much)

Washington Post:

Here’s a fascinating nugget from the New Hampshire exit polls that sheds some light on how Hillary Clinton’s campaign is likely to proceed in the big, diverse primary battles to come in late February and March (click to enlarge):


Among New Hampshire Dems, only 40 percent want to generally continue Barack Obama’s policies, while 56 percent want to change direction — 42 percent want to change to more liberal policies, while 14 percent want to change to less liberal policies. Among those who want more liberal policies, Sanders crushed Clinton by 81-18. But among those who want to continue Obama’s policies, Clinton defeated Sanders handily by 62-37.

While one hesitates to place too much stock in exit polls, if this is anywhere close to accurate, it may have real bearing on the contests to come, and may explain why the Clinton camp intends to proceed as it does against Sanders. It suggests another way in which the New Hampshire electorate may have been particularly hospitable territory for Sanders, who is not running as the candidate who would build incrementally on Obama’s achievements, as Clinton is doing.

It’s reasonable to speculate that the electorates in some of the contests to come — which will have more nonwhite and less liberal Dem voters — might have higher percentages of voters who want to continue Obama’s policies or who are not looking for more ambitious change than Obama delivered. As former Howard Dean adviser Joe Trippi puts it, once you leave New Hampshire, suddenly the Democratic Party has a much higher percentage of nonwhite voters, and of the white ones, a lot more of them are moderate and conservative Dems.
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Here’s one reason the Clinton campaign might not be panicking (too much) (Original Post) brooklynite Feb 2016 OP
Hillary will do OK on Super Tuesday. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #1
We have some pretty liberal Dems. in this very RED state. Downwinder Feb 2016 #2
And all of them together won't get us one electoral vote. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #35
Sad isn't it. Downwinder Feb 2016 #37
You sound like a blue stater redstateblues Feb 2016 #6
having early primaries in purple states might be best karynnj Feb 2016 #30
I am not. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #36
So you're saying a dem in a blue state should have more power to influence the primary Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #9
I would prefer blue state dems to have more influence in the nominee, yes. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #31
WTF? Every Democratic voter should have a say in choosing their candidate Godhumor Feb 2016 #10
No I am not. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #32
That is a very astute observation. I wish you would build it out into its own OP and KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #11
This discussion sounds awfully familiar firebrand80 Feb 2016 #15
My memory has grown a bit rusty. What was that KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #19
In '08 Clinton argued that she won all the big blue states firebrand80 Feb 2016 #22
Thanks. I think I must have missed that debate back in 2008, BC I was KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #23
I find it ironic firebrand80 Feb 2016 #25
You do understand that those states have some of the most progressive dems in them right!? uponit7771 Feb 2016 #14
No doubt, just not enough of them to be meaningful electorially. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #33
I expect her to be the nominee. JRLeft Feb 2016 #17
The Dems in those states are largely PoC. Codeine Feb 2016 #18
I don't want to write anybody off except super delegates. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #34
Hmmm vadermike Feb 2016 #3
Curious, why is the last line (change to less liberal policies) blank? LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #4
This section in the article seems to be the missing numbers in that graph Autumn Feb 2016 #7
Unless vadermike Feb 2016 #5
Sanders is a passenger who screaming at a bus driver for not going through stop & go traffic fast... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #8
The root of the Sanders campaign is a passenger LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #12
That sounds alarmist at best seeing the passengers can see the traffic through their GPS... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #13
What bus do you ride where the passengers get GPS? Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #21
... on their phones... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #29
She is.. speaktruthtopower Feb 2016 #16
It will be a problem TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #26
Yes, she won the less liberal, more wealthy segment of voters, the DOMA branch of the Party which Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #20
So Clinton now relies on the assumption that everybody is happy with the status quo? Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #24
Why worry, she's got more delegates ORjohn Feb 2016 #27
Interesting for sure. Thanks riversedge Feb 2016 #28

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
1. Hillary will do OK on Super Tuesday.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:32 AM
Feb 2016

She'll rack up a lot of delegates from states that will never give a Democrat their electoral votes, whether the nominee is her or Sanders. Those states' influence on the party is unfortunate, since they pull our party too far to the right--without giving us any electoral benefit.

We have our own "red state/blue state" split within the Democratic party. Hillary will win most of the "red" state primaries. Bernie will do very well in the "blue" states.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
6. You sound like a blue stater
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:16 AM
Feb 2016

wanting to deny us red state Democrats any voice in choosing the nominee. Sounds like you would be fine with only having primaries in blue states-what about purple states? Condescending attitudes like yours that will keep red states red.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
30. having early primaries in purple states might be best
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 12:44 PM
Feb 2016

As others said, no Democratic nominee will win most of the SEC states. Likewise, the blue blue states are not in question. The race always comes down to the purple states. It would be best to define that liberally - including g some states like Missouri that might better be colored red violet or NH which has gone from purple to blue violet.

Note that this would include Iowa and NH, which are small enough to do what they do now by requiring candidates to really talk to people. It could then go to states like NC, VA, PA, NV, Fl, CO etc. Note that these states include diverse populatioms.

Now, if there is a difference between say POC in the deep south and in PA, NC etc. It is the latter that matters. We aren't going to win AL in the GE.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
36. I am not.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:09 PM
Feb 2016

I live in one of the reddest states.

I want the states who won electoral votes for our nominee to be awarded the privilege of holding their primaries FIRST. They've earned the privilege. The red states could hold their primaries later in the cycle.

"Condescending attitudes" like mine make zero impact on why red states are red.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
9. So you're saying a dem in a blue state should have more power to influence the primary
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:19 AM
Feb 2016

than a dem living in a red state?

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
31. I would prefer blue state dems to have more influence in the nominee, yes.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:00 PM
Feb 2016

And by that I mean I would rather have a Democratic Super Tuesday that is primarily blue states, rather than what we have now which is dominated by red states.

Let the blue states speak first. They've earned that right by getting electoral votes for the Democratic nominee. That should count for something.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
10. WTF? Every Democratic voter should have a say in choosing their candidate
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:19 AM
Feb 2016

You're talking about disenfranchisement.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
11. That is a very astute observation. I wish you would build it out into its own OP and
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:20 AM
Feb 2016

elaborate on your themes.

If Candidate A wins the majority of Dem delegates from, say, Alabama, what exactly does that mean, since Alabama hasn't gone Democratic since George Wallace days?

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
22. In '08 Clinton argued that she won all the big blue states
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 12:07 PM
Feb 2016

like OH and PA that Dems needed to win in the GE. Obama countered that he could expand the map.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
23. Thanks. I think I must have missed that debate back in 2008, BC I was
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 12:11 PM
Feb 2016

still protesting against Bush right up to Nov. 2008. (I did carry Obama signs and supported him in the primaries, but I was the sterotypucal single-issue voter. For me, it was and is Iraq.)

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
18. The Dems in those states are largely PoC.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:36 AM
Feb 2016

Let's not write off such a huge section of the bedrock upon which our party is built, mmkay?

vadermike

(1,415 posts)
3. Hmmm
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:08 AM
Feb 2016

But if Hillary is the nominee of our party with those kind of unfavorable ratings NGOs we might as well give up cause nominee has won like that and plus trump would probably still Winn cause people are tired of establishment I'm worried and I'm a hill supporter

Autumn

(45,042 posts)
7. This section in the article seems to be the missing numbers in that graph
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:18 AM
Feb 2016
42 percent want to change to more liberal policies, while 14 percent want to change to less liberal policies.
Interesting that the WP printed an incomplete graph in their article . I wonder why they only showed the 14% less liberal policies. High numbers for Bernie in that graph when you add the 42% who want more liberal policies under his column.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
8. Sanders is a passenger who screaming at a bus driver for not going through stop & go traffic fast...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:18 AM
Feb 2016

... enough

Then, when the bus driver makes a right turn so they can make a left turn later to continue down their southbound path the passenger screams the bus drivers a sell out!

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
12. The root of the Sanders campaign is a passenger
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:25 AM
Feb 2016

pointing out that the bus is headed over a cliff while the owners of the bus reap enormous profits, and after the bus goes over the cliff the survivors are then forced to bail out the owners by buying them a new bus.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
13. That sounds alarmist at best seeing the passengers can see the traffic through their GPS...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:27 AM
Feb 2016

... I don't see how this analogy works out for Sanders

lol... I do feel you on buying them a new bus... that pisses me off to no end

speaktruthtopower

(800 posts)
16. She is..
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:32 AM
Feb 2016

trying to position herself in the middle without de-energizing her base. Her people aren't that worried about losing to Bernie in the end. They're worried about bringing his supporters in without acrimony and getting them out to vote in the general election.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
26. It will be a problem
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 12:21 PM
Feb 2016

Her campaign is playing identity politics on gender, race, and age (specifically against young people).

I'm not even talking about unofficial Internet supporters. Hillary was 2 feet away from Albright as she played the gender card in a very ugly manner and then Hillary herself said people get too easily offended. She has official surrogates making statements that strongly suggest the young voters are idiots. And now she has machine politicians playing the race card when the 1990's Clinton policies on race are hurting black people today.

This will only disenfranchise voters for November. Not a good strategy for a candidate who is not trusted by around 60% of the country and is the only candidate to have an open FBI investigation while campaigning. But young voters are idiots for seeing serious flaws in her candidacy?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
20. Yes, she won the less liberal, more wealthy segment of voters, the DOMA branch of the Party which
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:50 AM
Feb 2016

she has always embraced as her very own.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
24. So Clinton now relies on the assumption that everybody is happy with the status quo?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 12:12 PM
Feb 2016

She could be in for a rude awakening...

ORjohn

(36 posts)
27. Why worry, she's got more delegates
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 12:26 PM
Feb 2016

I am disgusted that HC has used the demo system to turn a resounding defeat into a win by New Hampshire delegates pledging to her.

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