Attacking Bernie on race issues...

[TCJ70]

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...is just about the most stupid thing they can do. Also, why hasn't the Hillary campaign expressed their goals for minority communities? It seems all they can do is attack. Do they have any policies regarding minority issues? They don't even have a section for it on their website: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/ . But Bernie does: http://berniesanders.com/issues/ .

But back to why it's stupid. This is a guy who literally marched in the civil rights movement. This is a guy who's been outspoken about the exporting of American jobs. This is a guy who's been railing about the increasing income inequality. This is a guy who's gone after bankers that sent people into bankruptcy from their bad practices.

Yes, these are universal issues. They are also black issues. They are also latino issues. They are American issues. The only thing they're going to accomplish by attacking him from this angle, is give him exposure in those other communities. The guy is like Obi-Wan. Strike him down and he becomes more powerful than you can possibly imagine. Good luck Democratic Party leaders...you're going to need it.

For the record, here's a summary of a few civil rights actions Sanders has taken over the years: http://www.salon.com/2015/07/22/20_examples_of_bernie_sanders_powerful_record_on_civil_and_human_rights_partner/

[Maedhros]

1. Bernie's "issues" with race are constructs of the agitprop disseminated by Clinton surrogates.

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The only reason there is a perceived problem is that Hillary's campaign worked hard to get people to believe the lie, and spread it.

[cali]

3. Yep. Typical Clinton slime. They disgust me.

[bbgrunt]

27. that is exactly it.

[AlbertCat]

40. It started in June or something with the GOP pointing out how white VT was....

..... then the 2 ambushes by people who claimed to represent BLM, I think they were staged just to give the GOP meme some verisimilitude.... especially since BLM proper did not condone the ambushes. (and of course no one was "shutting down" Hillary, but politely waiting outside fund raisers to speak with her.) This should have subdued any effect the ambushes had had, but some people seem to enjoy latching onto these events and GOP memes and are still pushing them as truths. A cursory look into Sanders' past should show anyone something's up with this "Sanders' doesn't "get" PoC" meme.

The "VT is white" meme has also morphed into a meme where you'd think VT, IA, and NH weren't even part of the USA.

[jfern]

2. There's not much difference between Hillary and Bush

In 2004, there was a net loss of jobs, Bin Laden was still on the loose, and Iraq was a quagmire. So if you went to the Bush campaign site, it didn't bother to tell you anything about Bush. It told you about how awful Kerry was.

[TheBlackAdder]

14. Variations of those 2008 racist attacks against Obama will surface against Sanders. Count on it! nt

[boston bean]

4. Who is they? hillary's black supporters?

[TCJ70]

15. Nope...

...I'm talking about the Hillary campaign.

[retrowire]

18. lmao nt

[Dragonfli]

5. It's Rovian tactics in it's most pure form, consideing Bernies history fighting for civil rights

since he marched with King onward consistently on the correct side of the issue, the Rove playbook says to turn the truth upside down and photoshop (or do the equivalent with lies) a pointy white hat on top of his head, really Rove 101.

Do purple heart band aids ring a bell anyone?

[Jefferson23]

6. He'll survive and he'll have more support than some expect him to yield.

This revolt will survive without Bernie as president too.

[Odin2005]

7. Identity Politics BS is all they have left.

Scaring black people to support the Establishment by telling them lies that Bernie only cares about poor Whites. This is only the most recent in a long line of rhetoric by the Party Establishment insinuating that economic populism is racist and only aimed at white people.

It's all they have left and it risks destroying the party and increasing support for RW populists like Trump catering to "anti-PC" sentiment.

[TCJ70]

17. I'm also still trying to figure out...

...exactly how Bernie's central issues aren't appealing to minority communities. Jobs, money, security. These are issues that have affected every community, but for some reason, if he doesn't say "I'm doing this for black people" it's like it doesn't count. At least, that's what that other thread indicated.

[Odin2005]

21. I'm white, so I can't say for sure.

But my suspicion is that it has it's roots in the Jim Crow South around 1900. At that time the Populist movement in the South was noted for being extremely racist and White Supremacist and I suspect this left a lasting impact on Black communities. This was likely reinforced in the 30s because many New Deal programs excluded Blacks.

[fun n serious]

8. A march in the 60's

Does not come close to what Hilary has done.

[Odin2005]

9. Right, Hillary was calling inner-city blacks "super-predators" back in the day.

What a champion for black people!

[Dragonfli]

11. What has she done exacty? no one ever answers that

I know she thought black kids were superpredators and should be brought to heel like they are not human, rhetoric she used to help her husband champion legislation that nearly doubled the black people in prison over non violent crimes.
I know her work telling us all about how much harder white workers worked and those were the votes she wanted in '08. I remember all the racist dog-whistles she used against Obama in '08

I just can't recall the laundry list of all the good things she has done for non whites over the years.

Does bombing brown children in the hundreds of thousands overseas count as helping?

Somebody give me this elusive list of "all she has done" for non white non rich people. please, it must be quite impressive to erase and overtake all that evil shit.

[boston bean]

20. That is bullshit.

She did no such thing. I suggest you dont take edited 13 second youtubes at face value.

[morningfog]

31. To whom was she referring?

Provide context if you have it.

And back to the point, what has Hillary done for African Americans?

[Rocky the Leprechaun]

32. Cue in the crickets chirping.

[Bluenorthwest]

34. Here is one minutes and fifty two seconds of that speech from c-Span, she says that and plenty

more, praises the crime bill and more cops on the streets and it's great stuff that I'm sure you are super proud of so here's the link, everyone can watch the unedited fully contextualized quote and judge it as they see fit:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4558907/mrs-clinton-campaign-speech-super-predators

[neverforget]

39. Here you go

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/racial-justice-failures-hillary-clinton-cant-ignore

Bill Clinton wasn't the only one using tough language to sell this tough crime bill; Hillary, in selling this punitive bill to the public, added her own red-meat rhetoric, calling kids in gangs "super-predators" without conscience or empathy:

"We also have to have an organized effort against gangs, just as in the previous generation we had an organized effort against the mob. We need to take these people on. They are often connected to drug cartels. They are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids that are called 'super-predators.' No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about how they got that way but first we have to bring them to heel...."

[TCJ70]

16. Which is what?

And that's also not all I said, is it?

[retrowire]

19. Nice try. You got countered in 2 posts and then left.

smh.

For all the talk that Hillary supporters seem to make about "Stop attacking candidates and talk up your own!" you sure don't practice what you preach.

[jonestonesusa]

23. Why do Hillary supporters feel so entitled to dismiss Bernie's civil rights activism?

Would you say that about a black presidential candidate? Would you say that to any person you know who participated in this critical time of activism and was transformed by it?

On a Democratic site, pro-civil rights activism should be respected - as opposed to support for Barry Goldwater and College Republican memberships.

[Bohemianwriter]

24. Because they think that the Cllintons did so much...

for the African American community in the 90s...

[LondonReign2]

38. Well that's true

While Sanders was getting arrested protesting for Civil Rights, Hillary was a Goldwater girl supporting a guy who voted against civil rights.

While Sanders was supporting Jesse Jackson's run for the Democratic nomination, Hillary was...where exactly?

While Sanders was supporting Obama in the 2008 primaries, Hillary was using racist dog whistles against him.

Sanders indeed does not come close to what Hillary has done.

[99th_Monkey]

41. Great Post. Thanks for a dose of truth re: Hillary, Bernie and AA community. nt

[Maedhros]

44. This is a good spot for this:

[Robbins]

46. she hasn't done squat

easy to dismiss bernie being arrested as young man protesting segreation in chicago campus and taking part in civil rights march on DC but then what was you cnadiate doing.oh yes supporting goldwater.

[Fumesucker]

10. It's Swiftboating, Kerry is a damn war hero (back way in the past) and they slimed him with it

[Dragonfli]

12. You recognized the tactic as I did as well upthread I see

At least now I know I am not the only one paying attention these past few decades.

[AgingAmerican]

13. It's pure Rove

[GoneFishin]

28. Yep. It's a Rovian tactic. Turn a candidate's strength into a weakness using big ass lies.

For those of us who know how to dissect these scummy tactics it only serves to solidify our faith in Bernie who isn't running a dirty tricks campaign.

[UglyGreed]

22. I don't get what people are trying to say

by stating Bernie escaped NY to lily white Vermont. Do they really believe that was his reason for moving to live among only white people? That's like saying the Clintons moved to Chappaqua for the same reasons. Plenty of other places to live NYS.........


http://censusviewer.com/city/NY/Chappaqua

[jalan48]

25. From the multi-millions in speaking fees to swift boating Bernie on race the Clinton's

have shown their true colors. Politically corrupt or close to it at this point.

[Lazy Daisy]

26. What I see as a disconnect

Is Hillary saying she is the only one who would continue President Obama's policies. Nevermind his policies, what about his legacy?
Which is more important policies or legacy?

President Obama has given us some great policy, good policy and a few we don't quite agree with. But his legacy is larger than life. The legacy President Obama gives us is Hope and Change / Yes We Can

That is a powerful legacy. And with that legacy we Bernie supporters have the courage to take that forward and aim higher, as he did 8 yrs ago. We have strength to DEMAND more of our government, as he did 8 years ago. From where he has brought us, we can see from here an even greater goal.

Like Bernie says, it's not him it's us. We are President Obama's legacy, with out him we would not have the courage, strength or sight to fight for what we are fighting for in this election.

Why would we want to settle for someone who doesn't inspire us to continue that great legacy.

[WillyT]

29. HUGE K & R !!! - Sí, se puede !!!

[Jefferson23]

30. Bernie's record is not perfect and when you compare and contrast, he remains the

candidate with a clear vision for ending corruption. One critic of his claims he voted
for the crime bill of Clinton's and that was terrible, it also included other members
of the CBC. If the point is to find Clinton superior I am at a loss to see it even
where I do not agree with Sanders. IF our elected officials did not need to rely
on campaign funding they are more free to vote their conscience.


Black Caucus yields on crime bill

August 18, 1994|By Karen Hosler | Karen Hosler,Washington Bureau of The Sun Sun staff writer JoAnna Daemmrich contributed to this article.

WASHINGTON -- With the switch of at least three votes, the Congressional Black Caucus made clear yesterday that it would come to President Clinton's rescue on the crime bill.

After a meeting at the White House with Mr. Clinton, three Black Caucus members who had voted against bringing the $33 billion measure up for final House vote last week announced that they had succumbed to his appeals to save not only the crime bill but perhaps his presidency.

"He was selling his presidency, the party and the fact that we will not get a better bill than this," said Rep. Charles B. Rangel, a New York Democrat who found Mr. Clinton persuasive. "Every step forward in a positive way renews the confidence the people have in the president."

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1994-08-18/news/1994230118_1_black-caucus-crime-bill-clinton

[TCJ70]

33. Part of the problem with that bill...

...is what else was in it. I think that's the one that included the Violence Against Women Act, yeah? Mixed bag legislation is difficult to categorize as a good or bad vote. I can see why people would have an issue with it, though.

[Jefferson23]

36. Exactly and why do they do that? Because they are ALWAYS trying to work around

somebodies special interest lobby. That is why we must work for overturning
CU and fight for exclusively public funded elections.

[brentspeak]

35. Hillary the dirtiest campaigner since Nixon. n/t

[senz]

47. I've long thought she's innately dirtier.

The sad part is, she drags her followers down, too. It's a lose-lose.

[Cassiopeia]

37. When your opponent is making a mistake

it's best not to stop them.

[TCJ70]

42. I know, I know...

...I just couldn't help it.

[Cassiopeia]

43. I get it.

It's hard not to celebrate every single one of them. Luckily, Bernie is doing it just right and just watching every one of Hillary's face plants.

[senz]

45. The Clintonites cannot afford to be honest on this subject.

Bernie Sanders is so far above Hillary in the civil rights/human rights realm that they have to spout and foam across countless threads to try to obfuscate it.

As if noise could ever kill the truth.