Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:26 AM
babylonsister (139,719 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
Republican Enthusiasm Gap Could Spell Trouble For Party In November
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/republican-enthusiasm-gap-could-spell-trouble-for-party-in-november.php
Republican Enthusiasm Gap Could Spell Trouble For Party In November Kyle Leighton February 13, 2012, 6:02 AM 1441 32 snip// “I think the lack of enthusiasm among Republicans is partially about Romney, but more broadly a reflection of their discontent with the field as a whole,” said Public Policy Polling (D) pollster Tom Jensen in an email to TPM. In addition to PPP, Pew numbers from early January found the same trend. “We did a national poll last week that found only 47% of GOP voters were satisfied with their choice of candidates, while 41% wished someone else would get into the race. That compares to 73% of Democrats who said they were happy to have Obama as their candidate.” “Republican voters aren’t ready to run through a wall for any of these candidates, in contrast to the way Democrats felt about Clinton and Obama in 2008,” he went on. “That may change once they have a nominee and the focus shifts to beating Obama, but for now Democrats are more excited for the fall.”
Theoretically, it would be quite a challenge to dampen Republican spirits to the point that they could lose the edge on enthusiasm heading into November of 2012 — but the last few weeks suggest it could happen. The economy has ticked up bringing the President’s approval along with it, something Miringoff said is “More of a motivator if the approval rating is tanking — it’s not a great strategy if the worst is behind us.” The GOP primary process is getting more negative and disruptive, continuing on even though there’s a candidate with the most money and organization, not to mention the support of several well-funded super PACs. And Obama himself has made a successful pivot to jobs and the economy, coupling it with foreign policy successes that provide a supporting argument on his competency as President. It is more likely that Republicans will rally around Romney or whomever is the candidate — the smart bet is the anti-Obama sentiment will be a major motivator after Americans suffered through a three year recession. But will that be enough to elect a bland or flawed GOP nominee? This is where Miringoff says the GOP may run in trouble when the height of the campaign comes in the fall. “You do want to energize your base,” he said. “If in September and October there’s a lot of frustration with independents, who to turn off the campaign because they aren’t satisfied with the candidates, it may become a base election. Obama’ recent decisions certainly seem to show he understands that.”
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| babylonsister | Feb 2012 | OP | |
| yellowcanine | Feb 2012 | #1 | |
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| yellowcanine | Feb 2012 | #5 | |
| LongTomH | Feb 2012 | #20 | |
| Proud Liberal Dem | Feb 2012 | #2 | |
| CAPHAVOC | Feb 2012 | #23 | |
| Proud Liberal Dem | Feb 2012 | #27 | |
| CAPHAVOC | Feb 2012 | #29 | |
| Proud Liberal Dem | Feb 2012 | #30 | |
| CAPHAVOC | Feb 2012 | #31 | |
| Proud Liberal Dem | Feb 2012 | #32 | |
| CAPHAVOC | Feb 2012 | #33 | |
| Proud Liberal Dem | Feb 2012 | #34 | |
| CAPHAVOC | Feb 2012 | #38 | |
| Liberal_Stalwart71 | Feb 2012 | #35 | |
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 08:07 AM
yellowcanine (21,276 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
1. Enthusiasm gap explained by one picture!
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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #1)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 08:29 AM
Suji to Seoul (1,490 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. okay. . .bad picture
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Newt looks like he crapped his pants. Santorum looks like he needs his oil can. Mitt looks like he's downwind of Newt's pants bomb and Paul look stoned!
Can't imagine why there is an Enthusiasm Gap in the GOP. |
Response to Suji to Seoul (Reply #3)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 08:55 AM
yellowcanine (21,276 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
5. "Paul looks stoned!" Actually he looks like a Madame Tussaud's wax dummy.
Response to Suji to Seoul (Reply #3)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 11:38 AM
LongTomH (2,744 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
20. OK, good commentary!
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"Santorum looks like he needs his oil can."
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 08:29 AM
Proud Liberal Dem (9,107 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. Good news
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at the very least, they won't have that "edge" over us come November. If there are even some Republicans willing to consider voting for Obama, that's even better!
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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #2)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:33 PM
CAPHAVOC (1,138 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
23. GOP is taking a dive.
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The only rational explanation. They do not want to be in charge when the collapse hits.
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Response to CAPHAVOC (Reply #23)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 01:18 PM
Proud Liberal Dem (9,107 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
27. What collapse are you referring to?
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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #27)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 02:05 PM
CAPHAVOC (1,138 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
29. Economy.
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I do not think either party can do anything to stop it.
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Response to CAPHAVOC (Reply #29)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 02:36 PM
Proud Liberal Dem (9,107 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
30. When is this happening?
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How bad will it be? What do you know about this?
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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #30)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 02:43 PM
CAPHAVOC (1,138 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
31. Not what I know.
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Just the way it looks to me. But I am a Pessimist. I am surprised Bernake has been able to keep it up this long. My point is that the GOP looks so bad it appears they are trying to lose.
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Response to CAPHAVOC (Reply #31)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 03:11 PM
Proud Liberal Dem (9,107 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
32. I'd be surprised if they were literally trying to throw the election
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to "Barack X" but who knows? They'd never admit it even if that's what they are trying to do. Given the supposedly "favorable" conditions for winning this year (or so we have been repeatedly told by the corp media since last year), I'm really surprised that some of the supposedly "stronger" and presumably more "formidable" candidates decided NOT to run this year. My only thought has been that none of them (i.e. Daniels, Christie, JBush) considered themselves "appealing" enough to the teabaggers driving the clown car right now to win in the primaries. Either that or they believe Obama has (and always has had) a greater than average chance of winning no matter what in November.
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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #32)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 03:21 PM
CAPHAVOC (1,138 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
33. Obama will win.
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GOP has no reasonable argument to make. What is Romoney going to say? Vote for me because I am rich? I will keep the rich rich and tax the evil poor people? Its great to be rich...too bad you are not? Give it up. But Obama might get stuck holding the bag.
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Response to CAPHAVOC (Reply #33)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 03:43 PM
Proud Liberal Dem (9,107 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
34. He's already holding the bag. He has been since 2009.
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The GOP has made it 100X harder for him to do anything to fix the damage for seemingly no reason other than to politically harm him. Romney just seems to be an empty suit with no real vision or ideas to offer the country. Of course, that pretty much describes most of the GOP at the moment.
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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #34)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:36 PM
CAPHAVOC (1,138 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
38. I know.
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Politics is just a lame blame game. Truth is there is no way to fix this mess. This is turning in to a huge good cop bad cop routine.
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Response to CAPHAVOC (Reply #31)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 03:47 PM
Liberal_Stalwart71 (11,022 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
35. They want to complete their consolidation of state legislatures and governorships
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That is why many of us are screaming that we must get active at the local level.
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Response to CAPHAVOC (Reply #23)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:16 PM
Gman (20,376 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
37. They would not have put as much effort into
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Last edited Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:17 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Obstructing and utterly trying to destroy Obama as they have for the last 3 years just to take a dive now. This is completely unexpected by them. They are having to come to grips with this monster called the tea party they've created and now can't control. They truly are reaping what they have sown.
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 08:37 AM
grahamhgreen (8,288 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
4. Romney/Santorum
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:05 AM
Liberal_Stalwart71 (11,022 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. Look, they've been told that Mitt Romney is the presumed nominee. Many voters may
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have just said "fuck it," and not shown up if he's already the chosen one.
The question is whether they'll show up for him (or any one of these clowns) in November. |
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:31 AM
peace frog (5,431 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
7. I love the smell of GOP fail in the morning
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Smells like VICTORY.
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:32 AM
Johnny2X2X (554 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. Wow
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This is the destruction of their party. This spells disaster for them in November. I guess when you pin an entire party's hopes on the economy failing and you put forth zero new ideas this is what you get.
It's up to us now to seize this moment and shape our country for a generation. This is our time, this is our chance. |
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:41 AM
rocktivity (33,622 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
9. DING DING DING! Public Policy Polling's Tom Jensen, you're our grand prize winner!
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“Republican voters aren’t ready to run through a wall for any of these candidates, in contrast to the way Democrats felt about Clinton and Obama in 2008...”
Yes, I remember it well -- here at DU, the "Obamatrons" and the "Hillbots" went at each other like rams during the rutting season. ![]() It was painful -- so painful that I feared DU would see its first unsuccessful donation drives. But I would gladly re-live every second of it, because I realize now that we had candidates who were WORTH fighting over. And since no one was pre-selected and force-fed upon us, the landslide majority of the Hillbots were able to get behind Obama when the smoke cleared. As for the tsunami of anti-Obama sentiment that the GOP is reduced to counting on, it might happen, but I don't think it will be big enough. Even if the GOP voters get their wish and end up with a Chris Christie or a Tim Pawlenty, the GOP primary season has soured too many moderates and independents for them to get within even a cheatproof margin. rocktivity |
Response to rocktivity (Reply #9)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 11:37 AM
Arugula Latte (36,113 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
19. Hell, 20 percent of them say they'll vote for Obama.
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The 'pubs are in a world of hurt, and I love it.
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:53 AM
Auggie (13,903 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
10. I hope Democrats are poised for the kill
Response to Auggie (Reply #10)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 11:20 AM
progressoid (23,066 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
16. Agreed.
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A lot of House and Senate seats could benefit from the GOP's apathy as long as Democrats take advantage.
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 10:28 AM
DallasNE (1,425 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
11. The New Hampshire And South Carolina Numbers
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Have to be viewed with a grain of salt because they were open primaries which means independents also vote. In 2008 they had a choice of Republican or Democratic candidates to choose. This year there is no contested election for Democrats. Unless there is a way to only count Republican votes those totals are meaningless. Having said that, South Carolina is up enough that turnout likely was heavier but the New Hampshire turnout was almost certainly down -- we just don't know by how much in either case. Also, Missouri is meaningless because there was delegate selection in 2008 and none in 2012.
That leaves nominal gains in Iowa and Maine and very significant losses elsewhere. |
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 10:38 AM
ThatsMyBarack (7,215 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
12. Always nice to see....
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Red states getting blue-overs!
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 10:40 AM
riverwalker (5,067 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
13. Bachmann's seat looks vulnerable
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This does not bode well for her. Will know more when the districts are redrawn this spring.
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 10:51 AM
the_chinuk (274 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
14. Actually, it kind of looking like it's killing them right now. n/t
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 11:17 AM
DonCoquixote (3,515 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
15. Don't fall for it.
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Even as much as these folks hate each other, they hate us more. They will all fall into lockstep goose-step because they fell they have to gte Obama out of the White House. Count this as a double warning if they use the convention in Tampa to actually get a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant from the South, like, I dunno, Jeb Bush.
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 11:29 AM
JoePhilly (11,919 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
17. Their real problem is that the have an even bigger "sanity gap".
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 11:32 AM
Laura PourMeADrink (11,397 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
18. Looks like the need NOOT for enthusiasm...Up 35% in NC. Go Newtered ! nt
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 11:46 AM
NewJeffCT (34,179 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
21. Why is South Carolina such an outlier?
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any reason behind it?
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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #21)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:52 PM
DallasNE (1,425 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
25. Yes, South Carolina Is An Open Primary
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Which means that independents can choose whichever ballot they want. In 2008 many of them choose the Democratic ballot in that contested election. In 2012 there was only a contested election amoungst Republicans so that was their only choice. Plus, there was a boatload of money spent down there.
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 11:52 AM
NewJeffCT (34,179 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
22. If Romney picks a teabagger for VP
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will that up the enthusiasm among Republics?
Bachmann? Perry? McDonnell from VA? |
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:38 PM
groovedaddy (5,857 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
24. We might have the same problem. n.t
Response to groovedaddy (Reply #24)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 01:03 PM
Hutzpa (9,356 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
26. Really! Says who? nt.
Response to groovedaddy (Reply #24)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 01:28 PM
JNelson6563 (22,748 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
28. That's not what I 'm seeing in the trenches
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here in northern MI. Everyone I talk to is excited about the election. I am too.
Julie |
Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #28)
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 11:58 AM
groovedaddy (5,857 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
45. That's good! n.t
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 04:51 PM
MADem (71,996 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
36. One place stands out, thanks to the "Colbert bump!" nt
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 03:50 AM
DFW (11,375 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
39. Santorum and Ginrich polling in double digits should be proof enough
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If either one of these two disasters gets more than 16 votes in any Republican primary, including votes
made up out of thin air by Diebold machines and Scott Walker's secretary, then that is the most definitive indication that there is a serious enthusiasm deficit. |
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 06:31 AM
Ian62 (224 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
40. Romney's base
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Last edited Tue Feb 14, 2012, 06:34 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) One GOP talking head said Romney has got to find his base.
Huh? He has been campaigning for 4 YEARS. He hasn't got a base and he never will have. The only base Romney has got are the Gop elites, the bankers, the lobbyists, the defense industry, Bain Capital, Nu Skin (Utah MLM) - all major donors. Oh and John Bolton. |
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 06:49 AM
Ian62 (224 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
41. Ayatollah Santorum base
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are religious extremists.
I haven't been able to spot any differences between Santorum and the Ayatollahs in Iran, except their purported faith. Both try to ram their faith down other's throats whilst not adhering to basic tenets of their own faith themselves. Both are warmongering and violent. Santorum received more lobbyist money than any other Senator in 2006, just before getting the boot in one of the largest losses in election history (19%). $477,000 in lobbyist money in 2006. In the top 3 most corrupt Senators according to Crew for 2006. He is embedded in K Street. He is also an extremely ignorant man and dangerous because of that ignorance. http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2012/02/08/ayatollah-santorum-the-sanctimonious-ass-by-thomas-dilorenzo-3/ |
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 06:51 AM
Ian62 (224 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
42. Newt Gingrich's base
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are 900,000 virtual twitter accounts he paid to have set up, to pretend he had a base!
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 06:52 AM
Ian62 (224 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
43. Ron Paul
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does have a base.
And GOP elites don't like that one bit |
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 06:57 AM
Ian62 (224 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
44. GOP are falling apart
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Even the Tea Party does not exist any more in any meaningful way.
They can't decide who to vote for - see polls showing the split vote of "Tea Party supporter". |


