Clintons "seemingly shocked" that they are behind in NH

[restorefreedom]

never expected to be in this position (paraphrased)

via Andrea Mitchell, nbc nightly news



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they never saw it coming.

[Duckhunter935]

1. I saw that

[MariaThinks]

2. wtf - i heard her say it herself that she did not expect to win NH. Can we stop making stuff up?

[restorefreedom]

4. just conveying mitchell's characterization

of the mood at the campaign.

are you suggesting andrea mitchell is making stuff up?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

9. When she does, it mostly is in favor of Hillary.

I guess the internal battles are really beginning to be heard outside the campaign.

[kstewart33]

25. I thought so too until recently.

In a panel following the Dem NH debate, Mitchell said that she favored Hillary releasing transcripts/tapes of her conversations with donors, not just speeches.

That is a step too far. Transcripts of private conversations? It sounds like the Patriot Act redux.

And I wonder what other candidates would be willing to do that. Again, a double standard expectation for Hillary and coming from Mitchell, that was surprising.

[tazkcmo]

51. Maria?

Maria?.....................Maria?...............................Maria?.............o.k. then....................Bueller?.................Bueller?.........

[TTUBatfan2008]

5. That is public spin

She was up by 40 points in the state last year. Likewise with Iowa. If you go from massive lead to 0.3% win, I could see how it's a shock.

[restorefreedom]

12. i believe that is likely what mitchell was referring to. nt

[morningfog]

33. .25 point win. But who's counting?

[dsc]

3. I find that absurd

She has been behind for the last 3 months, neither one strikes me as delusional. Anyone with basic math skills knew she was behind.

[restorefreedom]

10. perhaps mitchell was taking a long historical view

suggesting that months back, the campaign did not expect to be in this position at this time. we can infer anything, but she did not give a time frame, she just made the statement.

[bettyellen]

38. shocked is a poor word for something that creeps up on you- so yeah I mistrust this interpretation.

[restorefreedom]

40. i think they live inside such a bubble

they actually didnt believe it was possible

[bettyellen]

42. Naaah. They have been reading the polls for months. Nothing shocking happened.

Andrea seems to be going for maximum drama.

[restorefreedom]

43. not really sure what's up with her lately.

although ratings are probably always a priority....

[bettyellen]

44. I feel like they are so scripted that most of them are on auto pilot....

I noticed during the Iowa caucus they really did not get really excited about the neck and neck Dem race at the end there (Rachel Maddow being a very notable exception). I feel like they would have hyped it a hell of a lot more if they were prepared to hype it, you know? Like it was a snowstorm or something. Instead they spent way too much time on the Republican results and ignored a truly historic race. WTF?

I feel like, in this case, some thoughtless assistant suggested in notes the idea that Clintons might be "shocked" and she just went with it out of laziness. I'm sure they are not thrilled, and it is a negative word, so who cares if it is even close to correct, right? Just makes zero sense. Clinton is not a deluded moron, she is a realistic person.

[restorefreedom]

48. maybe they are getting tired lol

and maybe they will shut up for the rest of the campaign...its nice to dream....

[thesquanderer]

20. A month ago (Jan 6), 538 gave Hillary 76% chance of winning NH. Now it's <1%.

Only since January 19 has he had better odds of winning NH. So yeah, until pretty recently, they probably didn't anticipate it.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/new-hampshire-democratic/

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

6. Meh. It'll end up being pretty close, and even if they lose there,

the spin coming out will be about how they did so much better than the polls suggested, and will be played off as being a matter of her 'strength', rather than about indies deciding to play around in the repub race rather than the dem one because they expect Sanders to win handily.

[Helen Borg]

27. gonna be a bloodbath for Hillary

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

31. I'll be surprised if it is.

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With the NH primaries being open, a LOT of the indies are going to simply expect Bernie to win, so what's the point for them in voting Dem this time? They'll want to vote in the Republican primary, and get their chance to sway how that lot shakes out, see if they can't shake a couple of fools out of the race.

[bunnies]

36. I live in NH...

And I'm starting to worry that you might be right.

[Liberal Jesus Freak]

7. Reminds me of GWB...

and 9/11. Who could have predicted planes flying into buildings? Do smart people never read or listen

[Helen Borg]

28. gwb is not a smart person...

[Liberal Jesus Freak]

32. True...

I overstated my point

[Dawson Leery]

8. She has trailed for several months. Here are the polls"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016#New_Hampshire

[kstewart33]

26. Facts. Thanks. nt

[tazkcmo]

52. Andrea Mitchell.

We know the truth but Mrs. Greenspan has her own agenda.

[sadoldgirl]

11. perhaps she thought that her husband

could make a big difference?

[bunnies]

13. This exemplifies the problem.

The ruling class has No fucking clue what we peons deal with. They have no idea what it's like for regular people to live from day to day. But every 4 or 8 years they like to pretend they do. I'm done being a pawn for them. DONE.

[restorefreedom]

18. yup. and thats why they were stunned.

completely unplugged until campaign time

[snagglepuss]

21. They are a bunch of Marie Antoinette's. In gated communities, amidst

fabulous wealth they just have no bloody clue. Hiillary took the cake when she told Barbara Walters that they were "dead broke" when they left the WH. Dead broke my ass, they coughed up $86,000 for all the stuff they "mistakenly' took from the WH and spent several million on a home, then more to furnish it.

[dchill]

14. Not to worry. If Bernie doesn't win by 26%...

(per latest CNN poll), then Hillary is the New Comeback Kid!

[restorefreedom]

15. lol, and sadly true. nt

[Helen Borg]

29. she'll lose by 15 points...

My bet...

[LaydeeBug]

16. No. They're Not, and no one else is either. This is silly. nt

[restorefreedom]

19. i have no idea why mitchell said that then

the "we can't believe we aren't inevitable" thing is not playing well anyway.

[LaydeeBug]

37. She was the one who said Clinton claimed victory in Iowa and then had to walk it back. nt

[restorefreedom]

39. well, if she is trying to help the clinton campaign by her reporting,

she is not doing a very good job of it imo.

[LaydeeBug]

47. absolutely not. I can't figure her angle, but honestly, reporters aren't supposed to have one. nt

[restorefreedom]

49. not supposed to...then again, look at matthews..he is not

a reporter, but still, he is off the rails....

[mcar]

17. She's been down by 30-40 points in NH for ages

The polls are closing now but probably not in time. I honestly think these news critters just make stuff up - 4:30 pm follow the Clintons are evil playbook and state some ridiculous nonsense with authority.

[Art_from_Ark]

45. She's NEVER been down by 40 or even 30 points in New Hampshire

And from October to December, she held a lead in about half of the polls. Bernie only started passing her in all the polls early last month.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-new-hampshire-presidential-democratic-primary

[KingCharlemagne]

50. Hell, 12 months ago, Sanders was at something like 1% in the polls and HRC was at 75-80% - nt

[cui bono]

22. The MSM and Clinton campaign are preparing us for her to 'win'.

Sanders has been the clear front runner for so long. They are readying us to accept that his 'loss' is real if and when it happens.

Now I don't think he will lose, I think he might 'lose' though. If you catch my drift.

.

[restorefreedom]

23. up is down. night is day. nt

[2pooped2pop]

53. Yes I caught it

It is after all who counts the votes that matter. I don't know how many times we have to sit and watch this shit and nothing changes. They start changing the polls, reporting come back kid stories, then low and behold "surprise, surprise" somebody else wins.

[left-of-center2012]

24. Hillary will claim victory

Doesn't matter where she ends up.

[Helen Borg]

30. second is not a bad place!

[Art_from_Ark]

46. That reminds me of an old Tom Slick cartoon

Tom Slick's competitor in a two-way race tells his girlfriend that if Tom Slick is in the lead, then they are in 2nd place; but if they are in the lead, then Tom Slick is losing.

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. TeeHee

That's what you get for thinking you're inevitable, so you plotted and planned with DWS and her corrupt DNC to limit debates to limit YOUR GAFFE exposure. And then you had your corrupt corporate owned MSM ignore Bernie for 9 months until he almost beat you in IOWA!

NOW they have to cover him, but it's too late for you to stop THE MOVEMENT! Now that he's getting covered, HIS MOVEMENT will only GROW bigger and bigger! The entire country is -

FEELIN' THE BERN!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[restorefreedom]

35. yup. increased exposure helps him, hurts her. nt

[Dems to Win]

41. My heart goes out to Hillary

She did everything possible to waltz to the nomination, and it's slipping away.

My heart really goes out to the people who truly want her to be the first woman president. They are going to be hurt when she's defeated once again.

She did everything to allow space for Bernie's $27 people powered movement to gather steam. 6 months ago, she laughed at the prospect that he could be a credible competitor, according to accounts of people who met her on ropelines or at events. The Clintons really did underestimate him.