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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 07:53 PM

Debate night chat thread

ill start it off. i hope romney falls flat on his face. the president should come out aggressive!!

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 07:55 PM

1. No need for the President to be aggressive.

He should just be Presidential. Everything's riding on this for Romney.
Pres. Obama has nothing to 'prove.'

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Response to Lex (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 07:56 PM

3. true

but playing it safe and sitting on a lead isnt wise. never let up.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:00 PM

7. Agreed. But it'll be a big win for Pres. Obama if Romney stutters and stammers

and looks nervous and "non-Presidential" regardless of the substance.



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Response to Lex (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:05 PM

10. hands everyone popcorn and drinks

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 07:56 PM

2. I hope someone in the audience glitter bombs Wrongney . . .

yes, I know it can't happen. But I can fantasize, right?

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 07:57 PM

4. I know its so wrong but I'm already cringing for Romney.

I can't help it - I'm always on the side of the underdog.

I hope he's really obnoxious right off so I can get this sympathy monkey off my back.


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Response to Peregrine Took (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 07:59 PM

6. I just can't think of him as the underdog . . .

with all the money and cheaters on his side? No way! I firmly believe Mr. Obama will win, but MittWit is no underdog!

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:04 PM

9. I meant in the sense of being such a terrible debater and candidate.

He is such a strange and weird person - I'm sure he will come off horribly.

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Response to Peregrine Took (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:07 PM

11. Gotcha' . . .

And I agree . . . he will blow it!

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 07:57 PM

5. I'll one up you.

I hope rMoney falls flat on his face then through the floor with the weight of all the bullshit he is trying to sell America...or is it Amercia?

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:00 PM

8. It is indeed 'Amercia' . . .

in Wrongney-land!

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:09 PM

12. What if his wire doesn't work and he doesn't know what to say

say there was a powercut

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:10 PM

13. Obama stayed cool at the correspondents dinner

Just after sending seal team 6 to kill OBL.

I think he can handle Mitt.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:11 PM

14. i agree

just dont play it safe.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:56 PM

20. Good Point.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:14 PM

15. The Stepford Candidate might overload his circuits if the pressure is too much.

it would be like the guy in Alien going beserk and spewing white fluids.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:25 PM

16. That would be awesome!

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:38 PM

17. Anyone else find that there has been more anticipation for this debate than in 2008?

There's been a much bigger buildup to this debate than there was in 2008 and the expectations are so high.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:40 PM

18. My hope for the debate

Is that Rmoney gets frustrated and let's slip how he really feels and calls the president a racial slur of some kind. Not likely but Rmoney has never ceased to surprise me with his ability to sink to a new low that is lower than the day before.

Lets finish this tonight and get on with the serious work of running the country!

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Response to angrychair (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:32 PM

62. That would be something I'd fall out of my chair about

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:43 PM

19. I just said a little prayer for our President

I have faith that the president has fried bigger fish than this and he has had years of experience being criticized and judge. He will navigate this debate with grace and dignity, like a president.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:59 PM

21. Watching the live stream on ABCNews' youtube channel

They're still doing the pre-show now. Let's hope my internet stays stable...

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:59 PM

22. I'm nervous.

Not because I don't believe in the President's ability, I just am.

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Response to kalli007 (Reply #22)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:09 PM

33. that is

excitement!

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:00 PM

23. Watching it on MSNBC

 

Hope Obama slams Mittens to a pulp.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:01 PM

24. Can't help feeling nervous, but know the prez will be great.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:01 PM

25. Ugh

I feel sick to my stomach. I'm probably more nervous that the president. He will probably stride out on the stage looking as calm as can be. I'm going to turn the volume down and look at body language. I will of course be reading posts in this thread.

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Response to helpisontheway (Reply #25)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:04 PM

28. i might do the same

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Response to TroyD (Reply #26)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:04 PM

29. thanks for the link

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:02 PM

27. Hi, Jim!

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:05 PM

30. She was "Michelle Obama" before she married you?

Zing!

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:07 PM

31. Cant wait for these Zingers he prepared. The only substance he got are those zingers.

 

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Response to Tcbys (Reply #31)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:09 PM

32. maybe he wrote the zingers on the paper he put on the podium

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Response to Justice (Reply #32)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:11 PM

35. probably a picture of herbert hoover.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:11 PM

34. I bet romeny is writeing the new zinger.

 

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:12 PM

36. How is it going so far? Who won the first two questions?

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Response to helpisontheway (Reply #36)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:14 PM

38. everything is fine

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Reply #38)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:20 PM

48. Thanks..nt

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Response to helpisontheway (Reply #48)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:03 PM

116. Are you from Columbus OH by any chance?

I only ask because there used to be a panhandler on OSU campus that would always say, "Help is on the way."

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:12 PM

37. Jim Lehrer has Betty Davis eyes tonite

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Response to LuckyStrykes (Reply #37)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:15 PM

42. Cold dead eyes is more like it.

He's a TERRIBLE moderator. Why does he keep getting the gig??

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:14 PM

39. I can't remember the last time i was so nervous about a presidential debate....

Not sure why since there has never been a catastrophic candidate as romney beofre either

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:14 PM

40. Weird - Romney's "plan" is a list of "goals."

That makes no sense. The plan is non-existent, or he simply can't mention it out loud.

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Response to Beartracks (Reply #40)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:16 PM

43. his plan is a joke

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:15 PM

41. Romney

"SOUNDS" good, THANK GAWD, I know how full of shit he is. He is starting to get strident... and the eng. indep. this is already worn out, is anyone else but me counting the I, ME and MY rate...?

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:17 PM

44. Oh HELL nO

he didn't just start to pick a fight with the moderator... ayn rand has just left the building

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:17 PM

45. A set of Goals are meaning less unless you have an ACTUAL PLAN to achieve those goals.

 

Its like an NFL team year goal is winning the Super Bowl. The real substance is How you get to the goal.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:17 PM

46. A-RITH-ME-TIC!!!!

We need some.

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Response to Beartracks (Reply #46)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:19 PM

47. YESSS!!! He said it!!! :D n/t

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:20 PM

49. Obama had the first zinger!

" his tax plan is never mind."

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #49)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:25 PM

53. i loved it.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:20 PM

50. .

THE LEGAL DEFINITION OF SMALL BUSINESS: dave kamp knows. he's the ranking republican member on the house ways and means committee . to him, the definition of small business is a footnote. literally. "according to the joint committee on taxation , 94% of all u.s. businesses in 2007 were "s" corporations, partnerships, or sole proprietorships. pass-through business types commonly used by small businesses ." they call them pass-through companies because they file no taxes, passing through profits to the owners who report them on their individual tax returns instead. in short, they are considered small , not because they have a small payroll, but because they have a small number of owners. it's not the income that's small , it's not the number of employees that's small , it's just the total number of owners that's small . in the case of "s" corp .s, up to 100 owners. when politicians talk about small businesses , they are including any company that pays taxes as a pass-through.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:22 PM

51. ROFL Obama had the first Zinger..

 

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:23 PM

52. Middle income does not equate to middle class. Willard's buzz words

For the night were defined by him to be $200,000 to $250,000

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:25 PM

54. Dang...he is getting pissed

Obama played him...

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:25 PM

55. OMG

Don't remember who said it, but Romney is citing the little people he has "talked to."

He wants to cut education but is now saying education is so very important? WTF!!!

He doesn't have one message...he has many contradictory messages. It amazes me that people seriously takes the braggart seriously. Good god!

He flips....He flops!! And he is rolling deep within his own BS!

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:26 PM

56. Grrrr...gag...spit...Mittens, lower "taxes"

Asshole, he just ran through the full list of taxes, Fed, SS, Medicare, State, etc. etc.

True!

But then he says, we need to lower "taxes"!

WHICH taxes????? Hell, only Fed? SS? Medicare?

Because beyond that, what's he gonna do, ORDER the states to lower their income tax rates? ORDER local counties and cities to low rates???

Asshole. He keeps mixing up shit and most people are not gonna think about that.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:26 PM

57. Romney looking like the

asshole bully he that he is ...bossy bastard...omg I am cussing

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:27 PM

58. Wait - Is this 2nd question about DEBT or DEFICIT?? n/t

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:29 PM

59. Is it just me..

Or is Rmoney taking some of Obama's stances? Maybe I am confused....

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Response to Sophiegirl (Reply #59)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:31 PM

61. No, you are right. He got right up there and with a straight face said he won't cut taxes on rich.

 

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Response to Atypical Liberal (Reply #61)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:33 PM

64. Romney is pummeling Obama on taxes.

 

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Response to Atypical Liberal (Reply #64)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:36 PM

68. I disagree...

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. There is a lot of debate to go.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:30 PM

60. Did Romney just say he wants to stop funding Big Bird? n/t

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Response to lolamio (Reply #60)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:35 PM

67. heating up

here we go... jets

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Response to lolamio (Reply #60)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:46 PM

87. Yup. Romney stepped in it.

He is such a loser.

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Response to lolamio (Reply #60)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:47 PM

159. He says that all the time; it's part of his stump speech.

Romney's website announces plans to cut funding to the Legal Services Corporation, Amtrak, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, the National Endowment for the Arts, the National Endowment for the Humanities.

His tag line, his justification, is that the CPB isn't worth borrowing from China from. The thing is, though, federal spending on public broadcasting is quite modest, perhaps a buck-fifty per person -- chump change in the budget scheme of things. We're not borrowing from China to run public broadcasting.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:33 PM

63. Nitt is talking too fast and not making sense

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #63)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:59 PM

106. It almost goes without saying when he puts the pious look on

The bullshit is coming on strong.

He doesn't do the Sarah Palin hash, but his paragraphs do not agree with each other.

It is like both sides of his brain are firing separately.

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Response to genna (Reply #106)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:13 PM

123. I hate that look

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:33 PM

65. It's Math, silly. n/t

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:34 PM

66. Nitt sounding almost hysterical

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #66)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:37 PM

69. He gets the "angry eyes" almost every time he speaks. n/t

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #66)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:39 PM

72. Just wait..

Until he gets rattled.

He is already getting defensive. When that happens, he breaks down.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:38 PM

70. Obama should tear Romney to shreds he should be mean!

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #70)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:43 PM

76. It's not his style-- he's calmly sticking to facts

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #76)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:44 PM

82. I would

I wish I could get at Romney

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #70)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:45 PM

84. No..

He should not get mean....just wait for Mittins to melt down. You know it is coming !

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:39 PM

71. Now he is blame gaming

and insulting the president...and LYING

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:41 PM

73. IT'S A MORAL ISSUE???

WOW. From the man who has no MORAL ISSUES?

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Response to Sophiegirl (Reply #73)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:01 PM

109. It is a zinger FAIL! if I've ever heard one

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:42 PM

74. Sheesh...Mittens...shut up

What the HELL was he spewing about...he doesn't know any benefit (my word) for shipping jobs overseas?

CUT your payroll by a HUGE percent...NOT pay any federal or state "taxes"...and no physical plants in America....and, it goes on forever.

And then the company racks in profit.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #74)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:44 PM

81. he's so hyped up

It makes me very uptight listening to him

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:42 PM

75. Outstanding SS and Medicare comments from Obama!

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Response to EmeraldCityGrl (Reply #75)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:43 PM

78. Romney just lost everyone under 60.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:43 PM

77. Finally a topic that Obama has a strength in. Obama is more stronger in issues like this.

 

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:44 PM

79. "oh , I just thought about one"

R just got a text!!!

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:44 PM

80. Minus 1000 points for Obama

for not correcting Jim Lehrer and telling Jim that Social Security is NOT an entitlement.

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Response to avaistheone1 (Reply #80)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:50 PM

91. Think he is saying SS and entitlements

and goes on to mention Medicare. I may have misunderstood

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Response to Marthe48 (Reply #91)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:00 AM

167. Here is the transcript.

LEHRER: All right? All right. This is segment three, the economy. Entitlements. First -- first answer goes to you, two minutes, Mr. President. Do you see a major difference between the two of you on Social Security?


OBAMA: You know, I suspect that, on Social Security, we've got a somewhat similar position. Social Security is structurally sound. It's going to have to be tweaked the way it was by Ronald Reagan and Speaker -- Democratic Speaker Tip O'Neill. But it is -- the basic structure is sound.


But -- but I want to talk about the values behind Social Security and Medicare, and then talk about Medicare, because that's the big driver of our deficits right now.


You know, my grandmother -- some of you know -- helped to raise me. My grandparents did. My grandfather died a while back. My grandmother died three days before I was elected president. And she was fiercely independent. She worked her way up, only had a high school education, started as a secretary, ended up being the vice president of a local bank. And she ended up living alone by choice.


And the reason she could be independent was because of Social Security and Medicare. She had worked all her life, put in this money, and understood that there was a basic guarantee, a floor under which she could not go.


And that's the perspective I bring when I think about what's called entitlements. You know, the name itself implies some sense of dependency on the part of these folks. These are folks who've worked hard, like my grandmother, and there are millions of people out there who are counting on this.


OBAMA: So my approach is to say, how do we strengthen the system over the long term? And in Medicare, what we did was we said, we are going to have to bring down the costs if we're going to deal with our long-term deficits, but to do that, let's look where some of the money's going.


$716 billion we were able to save from the Medicare program by no longer overpaying insurance companies by making sure that we weren't overpaying providers. And using that money, we were actually able to lower prescription drug costs for seniors by an average of $600, and we were also able to make a -- make a significant dent in providing them the kind of preventive care that will ultimately save money through the -- throughout the system.


So the way for us to deal with Medicare in particular is to lower health care costs. When it comes to Social Security, as I said, you don't need a major structural change in order to make sure that Social Security is there for the future.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57525691/transcript-first-2012-presidential-debate-part-1/?pageNum=8&tag=page



Obama's first words should have been to correct Lehrer regarding Lehrer's packaging Social Security as an entitlement.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:45 PM

83. Did nitwit just pick his nose??? N/T

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Response to angrychair (Reply #83)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:46 PM

86. Missed that

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:46 PM

85. Eh? My feed just froze while discussing vouchers... n/t

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Response to Beartracks (Reply #85)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:48 PM

88. Whew, it's back. But I guess it's not really "live" now! n/t

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:49 PM

89. Nitt is talking faster and faster-- I think he's losing it

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:50 PM

90. Obama wins the Medicare debate

Nooooo to private plans.

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Response to LuckyStrykes (Reply #90)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:51 PM

93. Yes he did

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Response to LuckyStrykes (Reply #90)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:53 PM

99. Manic vs. rational

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Response to EmeraldCityGrl (Reply #99)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:54 PM

101. Exactly

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Response to EmeraldCityGrl (Reply #99)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:28 PM

139. I started thinking bi polar as soon as Ann said she was worried about his mental health

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:50 PM

92. I'm watching on CNN

And wondering if that stupid line will influence people watching

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Response to animalcrackers (Reply #92)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:51 PM

94. Which line?

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Response to Beartracks (Reply #94)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:54 PM

100. the line that shows a group of independent Colorado voters feelings

on what they say - green for men, yellow for women

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Response to animalcrackers (Reply #100)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:39 PM

155. So how did it go (with the lines)?

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:52 PM

95. Can we please get someone sharp like Bill Moyers, and retire Lehrer? eom

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Response to Norrin Radd (Reply #95)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:53 PM

98. Lehrer is fawning over romeny

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Response to Norrin Radd (Reply #95)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:08 PM

119. Poorly moderated imo

Not supposed to interupt, supposed to use the rules fairly--but Romney interupts, talks over, isn't corrected. However, I noticed that Lehrer tried to end President, before his time was through. Not fair.

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Response to Marthe48 (Reply #119)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:20 PM

126. No kidding.


Romney was allowed to bring it off track in the first round. Then to be fair, he had to give time to Obama, then Romney butted in for another three minute comment, then Lehrer had to give Romney the same thing.

Then Lehrer points out that they're way out of time.

Cut the mike of the guy who speaks over the moderator.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #126)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:33 PM

143. Romney eye showed fear this last turn. nt.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:53 PM

96. And Romney keeps bulling the moderator

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:53 PM

97. OMG...Mittens just keeps talking over the President and old Jim is letting him get away with it...

SHEESH...make Mittens shut up...cut off his mic.

The President NEVER addressed the $716 billion charge, did he???????

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #97)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:55 PM

103. They are giving Romney the stage

he is telling lies

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #103)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:57 PM

105. Shit, he is just running all over the President

and with his same old dog whistle bullshit.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #105)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:59 PM

107. he's running all over Lehrer, too

Like a spoiled BRAT

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:56 PM

104. Mr. Obama, please emphasize again that all that bailout $ was paid back! n/t

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:00 PM

108. Someone on Twitter who pretends to be Big Bird

is calling out Romney on his BS.

https://twitter.com/BlGBlRD

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Response to Norrin Radd (Reply #108)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:38 PM

153. Really funny twitter posts from Big Bird. Thanks!

I needed a good laugh at this point.

Go Big Bird!

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:01 PM

110. Finally Obama mentioned Romenycare.

 

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:01 PM

111. I had 5 seconds

Before you interrupted me.

Suck it.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:02 PM

112. Mitt: Romneycare was bipartisan because...

... Democrats aren't naysaying obstructionist twats.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:02 PM

113. The Prez is hip to Lerz tricks

and he just let him know it..... then Lerz had to, had THE NERVE, get in a dig... petty.

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #113)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:03 PM

117. Romney just said "this is why the people don't want

Medicare"...? DID I JUST HEAR THAT???

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:02 PM

114. Oh pleaase...

Now Romney is claiming bi-partisanship? Obama needs to get a bit tougher imo

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:03 PM

115. Goodness

He is playing it safe. He needs to get in a good jab at him and not be nice....stop being nice

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:08 PM

118. Nitt is acting bossy and animated but he's not saying anything coherent

I'm afraid the undecideds will think he knows what he's talking about when it's just gibberish

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #118)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:14 PM

124. It does SOUND coherent and truth-y. Just don't run the numbers. n/t


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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:08 PM

120. Mitt did consulting, but isn't familiar with "best practices"? n/t

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:10 PM

121. ARGHHHH...it's NOT a government take over of healthcare!!!!

ACKKKKK!

I so want the President to simply say, It's not a government take over!

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:12 PM

122. Lips start to say

"bullshit" pause ...explicitly prohibited under the law...like duh Mitt, this shit you talk about is crooked...

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:15 PM

125. Is it just my imagination, or is Mitt being given a lot more "passes" than Obama???

I hope not, since I just sent a blistering email to the omsbudsman at PBS.

Edited to say "I hope not" instead of "I hope so." I'm so pissed I can't even see straight!

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Response to mak3cats (Reply #125)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:23 PM

129. Not your imagination

n/t

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Response to mak3cats (Reply #125)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:23 PM

130. Seems so. N/T

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Response to mak3cats (Reply #125)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:33 PM

144. Whatever happened to "impartial moderator"?

I will be joining you in contacting PBS. It is difficult enough to accurately represent and defend your platform without seeming defensive; a candidate should not also have the burden of navigating around unequal standards created by the mod.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:22 PM

127. Are we going to hear any reference to 47%?

I sure hope so.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:22 PM

128. Jim Leher lost the debate.

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Response to EmeraldCityGrl (Reply #128)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:24 PM

133. I SO agree!!!!!!!

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:24 PM

131. Zinger! fail

"You're untitled to your airplane and your house but not your own facts" or something.

wonder how long he practiced that.

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Response to moobu2 (Reply #131)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:25 PM

134. So rehearsed!

And so stupid.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:24 PM

132. Is it me...or is Mittens not "cutting" anything?

AND...my partner just said, he thinks that Mittens and all of his spewing, is a tact to try and get the Prez mad.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:26 PM

135. This was the Rmoney debate.

It certainly appears that Rmoney dominated and talked 75% of the time.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:26 PM

136. Nytimes fact checkers are bleeding romney dry...

... Plus, a lovely "voter voice from their panel:

when Romney said he prefers private insurance", a voter responded: "doesn't everyone? Maybe he (Romney) can afford it, the rest of us can't!". And then, when Romney interrupted Obama: "Tell him to shut up! Let the President speak!".


http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/debates/presidential/2012-10-03?hp

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:27 PM

137. Is there a fricken moderator in this debate!!!

Maybe it's me. Is mittens hogging most of the time. What the hell is up with Leher? Candy Cane may have been a better moderator.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:27 PM

138. Here we go..

I sure hope the nice guy, Obama, starts to hit Rmoney on his real objectives. I really hope he brings up the 47% thing. Please, oh please. At some point.

Maybe close to the end of the debate when the West Coast tunes in?

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Response to Sophiegirl (Reply #138)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:29 PM

140. I just said the same thing. n/t

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:31 PM

141. I,I,I, I, had, I had, I will, can not stay on topic...

full of form void of content..."word salad" symptom of schizophrenia... the stutter, the smirk... he has just... has never stopped trying to become the great man he thinks he already is because the voices in his head keep telling him it is true...he is without a doubt psycho

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #141)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:33 PM

145. Tedious and somewhat dull.

I feel ill.

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #145)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:48 AM

168. Made me feel as if I were jumping out of my skin.

It made me uptight because he was all over the place. God, what a BOOR.

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #141)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:34 PM

146. Well, I'm disappointed.

 

I expected a better articulation from the President. I expected a better refutation of the Republican talking points.

My overall impression is that President Obama was on the defensive most of the debate.

It's a shame.

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Response to Atypical Liberal (Reply #146)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:51 PM

161. Kinda matches my impression, too. n/t


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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #141)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:56 PM

163. Big Bird for President on Facebook

Tweeted..Big Bird ‏@BlGBlRD
Psst, Mitt Romney is a puppet... #denverdebate #debates #SupportBigBird

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:32 PM

142. There goes Mittens again about the $716 billion cuts to Medicare...

Did the Prez EVER firmly respond to that?????

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:34 PM

147. 12 million job myth

|His whole policy is based on lies - just look up

"Economists to Romney campaign: Thatís not what our research says" by Ezra Klein

Romney's key "research" his plan is based on is misquoted - said by the researchers he quoted

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:34 PM

148. By speaking over Lehrer, Romney isn't looking good.


He looks like he's taking advantage of a senior.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:35 PM

149. Unfortunately...

The debate is being moderated by someone who seems to favor Mittens.

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Response to Sophiegirl (Reply #149)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:36 PM

151. Seems that Romney won't stop when Lehrer says stop.


He's coming off as pushy.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:35 PM

150. Maybe he needed to hit it as often as Romney brought it up.

He only answered that charge once, if I recall, after the first smattering of Mitt's use of it.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:37 PM

152. Not just us! Ed Schultz is on FIRE over the Prez not getting in there and fighting...

And, over the President's time...that Mittens and whats-his-name, kept cutting him off.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #152)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:45 PM

158. Chris Matthews

head is going to explode. He is right......it is like Obama was bored, disengaged. He needs to fight like this is a fight. These people are going to take rights away of the poor, middle class, and working class, the gay, the old, you name it. They will bolster the upper class, the ceos, the ultra rich. He needs to wake the fuck up and fight like this is a fight.

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Response to goblue316 (Reply #158)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:56 PM

162. He didn't. It's a darn shame.

 

I swear, I think just about any regular poster from this board could do a better job refuting Romney than the President did tonight.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:39 PM

154. Are Mass education systems

REALLY THE BEST IN THE NATIONS??

I want to see facts.

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Response to Sophiegirl (Reply #154)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:57 PM

164. I think MD Schools are Number One

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/maryland-schools-insider/post/maryland-schools-ranked-number-one--again/2012/01/11/gIQA7NEqrP_blog.html

I am looking forward to the fact checkers going through the debate with a fine tooth comb because Romney was all over the place tonight compared to his past actions and speeches.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:40 PM

156. As Rachel and Chris Matthews are just sick over this....

What the fuck, Prez O?????

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #156)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:49 PM

160. link or is this twitter?

Best defence is a good offence, and Obama had so much ammunition.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:44 PM

157. A couple of interesting tweets

Ari Melber @AriMelber 2m
You can always tell who is ahead in a race because they don't need to attack in a debate.


Ari Melber @AriMelber 3m
The debate format, with all due respect to Lehrer, was dismantled by an amped Romney - @maddow


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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:02 PM

165. This was not what I expected..

I think Romney was good at countering Obama. Obama needs to get much tougher in the next debate. He needs to not be the nice guy. But bring it on!!! Stop it Obama! Mitt lies!!! Call him on it!!!

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:06 PM

166. Independent voters gave Obama the edge by I'd say 65 to 49% Overall

on CNN. There was a ticker for Colorado independent voters on the screen and Obama went to 100% I'd say about 6-8 times and Romney about 4-5. Romney went below the line about 4 times and Obama never did. Obama got higher marks consistently on healthcare and education, economy maybe a slight edge. Women consistently gave him higher marks than men, especially on education and healthcare. I'm on another forum with about 6K members but only 20 or so posting regularly, predominately republicans and of course, they thought Romney did super! *rolling eyes*

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