Attention all female Sanders Supporters: You are going to burn in Hellfire!

[Armstead]

That's what Medeline Albright said to women who don't support Clinton.

I have not used this word before, but the DemoStablishment is becoming totally rabid and unhinged. What is about this adoration of Hillary and Fear andlLoathing of Sanders that makes otherwise smart, good people lose their fricking self-control and say absolutely ridiculous things?

http://time.com/4210769/hillary-clinton-madeleine-albright-new-hampshire/

The first female Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, made an emphatic pitch Saturday to young women to support one of her successors, Hillary Clinton, who is working to narrow the gap in the Granite State with Bernie Sanders just three days before the first-in-the-nation primary.

“Just remember, there’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other,” Albright said—a saying she often uses—addressing the young women in the crowd who may still be undecided, as she introduced Clinton at a rally in a middle school gymnasium.

[cantbeserious]

1. The Establishment Is Apoplectic About Bernie - No Tactic Is Too Low Or Malicious

eom

[hifiguy]

20. Bernie is a mortal threat to the corporatist/plutocrat gravy trough

the party establishment has been gorging on since the Nineties.

They will fight like cornered rats to keep shooting up that beautiful, preciousssss corporate cash.

[cantbeserious]

24. All Too True - Mission Accomplished By The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks

eom

[TheBlackAdder]

233. The 2,000 year old Paternalistic Hell? Albright was divinely appointed as Heaven & Hell's arbiter?

[Chemisse]

2. This is an old saying of hers (Albright's).

It's even on a coffee cup.

It's unfortunate that she said it in the context that she did, but it's not really fair to Hillary to use this against her and her campaign.

[Punkingal]

5. Bullshit...she said it at a Hillary event.

[Chemisse]

17. I am aware of that.

That doesn't change anything I said. If you are suggesting that Clinton wanted her to say such a stupid thing, I would differ. It could only hurt her. Candidates don't always have control over what people say during endorsements.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. I get what you're saying that it's unair to attribute that comment to Hillary, but it says something that she'd invite someone holding views like that to speak.

Who's next? Henry "The War Criminal" Kissinger?

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Chemisse]

43. Good point. n/t

[Akamai]

104. I also think Hillary could have asked her to turn the torch

down a bit. Encouraging is one thing and threatening damnation is another.

[Hortensis]

136. Albright spoke her conviction.

You should respect, not deride that, even when you disagree. This complete contempt for the views of others is unfortunate for your understanding, but libeling good people is very shameful.

[bbgrunt]

158. I believe it was Madeleine who

felt that Iraq sanctions killing innocents and children in Iraq was "worth it" :

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.

[SusanCalvin]

160. Her conviction is I'm going to hell, even jokingly? nt

[Kall]

162. It wasn't deserving of any respect

in the context she said it.

[pangaia]

189. Exactly CIRCUMSTANCES.

Albright is as tone deaf now as she was deaf and blind to human suffering in the past.

[Lancero]

175. And telling female Bernie supporters that they're going to burn in hell isn't shameful?

Ok.

[MoonchildCA]

201. Maybe, when she supports our conviction...

...of voting for the person who best represents our political views regardless of their gender, instead of telling us we have a special place in Hell.

[Loudestlib]

203. I like Albright's quote about Palin

Though I am flattered that Governor Palin has chosen to cite me as a source of wisdom, what I said had nothing to do with politics. This is yet another example of McCain and Palin distorting the truth, and all the more reason to remember that this campaign is not about gender, it is about which candidate has an agenda that will improve the lives of all Americans, including women. The truth is, if you care about the status of women in our society and in our troubled economy, the best choice by far is Obama-Biden.

[bread_and_roses]

239. Anyone claiming to be an advocate for children should not stand with Madeline Albright

Madeline Albright = "good people" ????????????????

Tell that to the dead Iraqi children and their mothers.

[pangaia]

188. What is just as bad is her laughing at it, under the circumstances.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

182. Albright is a surrogate for Hillary. She speaks for Hillary!

[Armstead]

6. Like I said......

It was a ridiculous and stupid thing to say in this context. She should be smarter than that.

[SusanCalvin]

135. But she wasn't. There ya go. nt

[kacekwl]

151. Good gravy people

this woman made a stupid statement that won't make a bit of difference to anyone. I doubt if most people know who she is. Relax a little please.

[SusanCalvin]

163. I am completely relaxed at the moment, just annoyed. nt

[pangaia]

190. THAT is the problem. People don't know who she is.

People don't know about the School of the Americas either.

Or who Paul Brenner is. Too many people don't know shit about anything.

That is what Bernie Sanders is trying to correct.

[TTUBatfan2008]

16. She said it while introducing Hillary at a campaign event...

How else should anyone interpret it? Madeleine Albright is not a stupid person, but she is a giant hypocrite. She said it was justified to kill 500,000 innocent children in Iraq during the 1990's. Maybe there is a special place in hell for her.

[Chemisse]

28. I don't doubt that she said it to jab women into supporting Clinton.

But I expect Hillary winced when she said it. It was a bad thing to say at that time (or just in general, really).

[pangaia]

84. Yes it was a bad thing to say.

Can one imagine if something like that happened at one of Sander's events?

[merrily]

150. +1

[Eric J in MN]

100. Hillary Clinton laughed and clapped.

Video:

&feature=youtu.be

[Chemisse]

120. Yeah - I just saw the video clip during the news.

I didn't realize how much it was intended as a joke until I saw this.

[CorporatistNation]

181. Just Saw This Criminal On MSNBC With Hillary SHILL Chris Matthews... Maddy IS...

a founding member of Carlyle Group whose members include Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush etc. mostly involved in buying defense companies and generally engaged in corrupt foreign policy shenanigans where they can generate profit from war.

[SusanCalvin]

193. Carlyle?????

THEY can go to hell.

[pangaia]

187. Some fucking joke.

[merrily]

153. In 2008, she had no problem when someone implied Obama was a drug dealer at one of

her events.

The north star seems to be "I want to be President" and anything she feels helps toward that goal is fine. Problem is, her judgment about what helps and what hurts her with Democrats who are not apologists is not always great.

[PoliticalMalcontent]

196. Context makes a world of difference and the changes the feelings evoked by the original post.

I take back a lot of what I said before. It was more of a joke to rally the base, and I'd HOPE everybody there laughs at the 70+ year old woman's joke that wasn't particularly innocuous given the setting of like-minded people.

No complaints. Thank you for the vid.

[Blue_In_AK]

121. It's completely sexist.

[Chemisse]

131. Definitely.

Hopefully it doesn't represent Clinton's sentiments. But at this point, she'd likely want to win however she could.

[MissDeeds]

133. It is indeed

Absolutely cringe worthy.

[AOR]

37. +1

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

39. I don't know who's worse... Madeleine Albright or Henry Kissinger.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[pangaia]

86. henry

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

89. Yeah, if I had to choose, I'd also hafta go with that war criminal.

[roguevalley]

71. she squats on corporate boards and tells others how to think.

what a joke she is. A total and complete joke.

[hopemountain]

186. "for those who lead our children to war for money

there is a special place in hell."

[azmom]

3. Wow. Good luck with that.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

4. Fine with me. Hell doesn't exist.

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I believe you make your own hell or heaven on this earth.

Besides, I can't be tortured in hell because I won't have a body to feel pain with!!!

Madeleine Albright said it was worth it to kill five hundred thousands of innocent children in one of our perpetual war zones(Iran? Iraq?). Don't remember the exact quote, but it was shocking to hear a woman say that. She should go to hell for killing half a million innocent children and being able to sleep at night.

[Punkingal]

8. I'm with you, I don't believe in hell, either. I'm still aggravated at the comment.

[roguevalley]

231. me 3. had a near death. hell doesn't exist except here

[kath]

7. Screw that shit.

[SamKnause]

9. Where will you be ending up Albright ???

The sanctions on Iraq was worth the death of 500,000 CHILDREN in your warped world !!!!!

Frankly, I don't give a damn about what you have to say or believe.

[reformist2]

10. At least they'll have their BernieBros by their side. Or are they not doomed to hell???

[DanTex]

11. Relax, it was a joke.

This paragraph was particularly ironic...

I have not used this word before, but the DemoStablishment is becoming totally rabid and unhinged. What is about this adoration of Hillary and Fear andlLoathing of Sanders that makes otherwise smart, good people lose their fricking self-control and say absolutely ridiculous things?

[Armstead]

12. A very, very bad one...and stupid to insult to insult people like that

yes perhaps there was an ironic subtext -- but it...oh whatever

[DanTex]

19. She's no Louis CK, I agree. But it was obviously a joke, everyone laughed.

On a side note, Bernie Sanders actually has a great sense of humor. Smart and subtle.

(and, no, there's no hidden meaning or dig there)

[Armstead]

27. I like to think I have a sense of humor

But I do not find this parade of insulting and weird attacks against me and otehr supporters of Bernie -- and Bernie himself -- by people I respect very funny.

BTW I'm a male so I didn't take her remarks personally on that level.)

[DanTex]

34. There was nothing insulting and weird in that post.

Bernie Sanders really does have a great sense of humor. He's made several jokes in interviews that had me laughing. And sometimes they go over the head of whoever's doing the interview, which makes them even better -- the political press, as a rule, has an atrocious, cringe-worthy sense of humor. I wish I could think of an example, but nothing comes to mind.

[Armstead]

36. I wasn't referring to your post here...Referring to Albright et. al.

(at least not that one)

[DanTex]

40. OK. Albright, meh, it was one throwaway line, but I can see what you're getting at.

I don't think it deserves all the outrage it's getting. People make jokes. A lot of them aren't funny.

[SusanCalvin]

98. It wasn't a throwaway to me.

It was either a thoughtless or stupid move. Take your pick.

Was it major? Nah. Will it hurt Hillary, even if just a little? Probably.

Leaving me with the burning question of why I'm bothering here. Boredom, I guess....

[roguevalley]

232. she used it so she tho about it to convey her meaning. she meant it.

[alcina]

95. I'm having trouble understanding how this was a joke

There's another thread on this, which links to a Guardian article.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141339855
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/06/madeleine-albright-campaigns-for-hillary-clinton

The Guardian gives the following context to her comment:

“Young women have to support Hillary Clinton. The story is not over!” she said. “They’re going to want to push us back. Appointments to the supreme court make all the difference.

“It’s not done and you have to help. Hillary Clinton will always be there for you. And just remember, there’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other.”

Albright has recited the line for years, and the line drew a great cheer from the Concord crowd.


I don't see any mention of "laughter," nor can I see any way of interpreting this as a joke. If I'm missing something obvious, please explain. Thank you.

[DanTex]

107. Watch the video. See the people laughing.

[SusanCalvin]

134. A) A link in this reply would be courteous and very little trouble.

B) I actually don't care, though. It was stupid in this context.

But if the Hillary campaign wants to shoot itself in the foot, who am I to complain?

[DanTex]

147. Since you said you don't care, then I'll leave it to you to google or not google.

As far as shooting itself in the foot, as far as I can tell the only people outraged are the perpetually outraged people who already hated Hillary. Tomorrow they'll be outraged about something else. The pattern is pretty simple. Whatever Hillary does = outrage.

[SusanCalvin]

152. Just saw it on TeeVee.

The only person laughing was Hillary. The rest were screaming and applauding ecstatically.

https://m.

[frylock]

205. Racous applause for the eternal damnation of women who support Bernie.

But Berniebro is the devil for booing a video of Hillary at a Sanders event.

[alcina]

180. Hmm.

Laughing doesn't always mean something's funny. And I definitely don't get a "that's so funny" vibe out of this example. The laughter seems more of the type that occurs when people think, "Oh my god, I can't believe she went there," followed closely by a "right on!" Of course, we'll each interpret this through our personal filters....

[SoLeftIAmRight]

13. simply - sick shit

Margaret Thacher...

Support her you crazy ....

[hifiguy]

22. HRH = Thatcher Part Duh.

[AZ Progressive]

14. The Democratic Establishment is pitting social progressivism against economic progressivism

And the ironic thing is that social inequality and economic inequality are intertwined.

[Armstead]

18. Bingo!

[AOR]

75. Well said...

and it's not by accident. That hidden agenda to protect business as usual has become crystal clear for those paying attention.

[99Forever]

15. The musty smell of growing desperation rises from Camp Weathervane.

[CharlotteVale]

21. Odd how so many big name female Clinton supporters denigrate women in

support of Hillary -- DWS calling young women "complacent," Gloria Steinem claiming young women go for Bernie because "that's where the boys are," and now this hell fire bullshit.

Very odd.

[hifiguy]

25. The stench of desparation coming from Camp Weathervane these days

would, as George Carlin once said, knock a buzzard off a shitwagon.

[malokvale77]

49. I see lots of money flowing to the Bernie campaign this weekend. nt

[hifiguy]

99. Yep.

Every time one of the establishment types lauds Herself, the money rolls in. To Bernie, that is.

[SusanCalvin]

103. Steinem said that?????

OK, where the heck is the facepalm smilie????

[CharlotteVale]

111. Yes, here's the link...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511157939

Just when you thought you'd heard everything!

[SusanCalvin]

114. O.M.F.G. nt

[Blue_In_AK]

126. I'm extremely disappointed in Gloria Steinem,

whom I've always admired. You wouldn't think she'd denigrate young women this way.

[CharlotteVale]

141. I've marched with NOW and subscribed to Ms. I'm stunned and think

she also denigrated us older women by assuming we're all Hillary supporters. It saddens me that my opinion of her has changed forever.

[SusanCalvin]

157. Oh dearie dear.

I just now applied her remarks to myself. I will not express my thoughts here....

[Chathamization]

166. Or simply erasing women all together and referring to Sanders' supporters as "Bernie Bros"

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I've also seen it claimed that no woman is capable of being president without the establishment supporting them.

The mask has fallen, and we're seeing how a lot of people really feel. One gets the feeling that these people think equality is theoretically fine and all, but if the plebs get out of line any form of denigration is justified as long as it keeps power concentrated in the hands of the few.

Remember, these are the people who are proud of compromising their principles.

[CharlotteVale]

170. I've pointed out numerous times how sexist the term Berniebros is

and have yet to receive a response from a Clinton supporter. Not that I expect one.

Because Clinton and her mouthpieces just play the woman card in a cynical attempt to, as you said, keep the plebes in line.

[Chathamization]

200. What gets me is the prominent figures on the left using the term

It's one thing for some random person online to say something nasty and sexist (and I'd argue the term is somewhat racist as well). You can find some random person from just about any group saying something nasty online. It happens.

But having Krugman using "Bernie Bros" over and over again on his Times blog, or seeing articles on Vox, The Atlantic, Slate, etc. defending the term, is pretty bad. You don't see the opposite. You don't have someone like Dean Baker making tons of posts using gendered and derogatory terms for Clinton supporters, and you don't see articles on Vox defending those terms and erasing certain demographics of Clinton supporters.

We can see how a term that erases women and minorities who support Sanders fits into a larger attack. We have prominent figures saying that women who support Sanders are just trying to be where the boys are. I've seen, multiple times, minorities here have their race questioned when they say they support Sanders. It's an ugly line of attack that, unfortunately, isn't uncommon. The fact that a lot of the establishment Left seems to be cool with it, though, shows how much work we have to do.

[CharlotteVale]

204. Their sexism shines a big spotlight on the hypocrisy of the Democratic party.

Hillary playing the woman card in the face of the blatant denigration of women who don't happen to support her by her surrogates is one of the most cynical ploys I've ever seen. I can't say I'm surprised by any of it, though. It's been obvious for a long time how the party establishment and their mouthpieces feel about the left. It's almost comical to me how astounded and indignant they are to discover that we have no use for them.

[avaistheone1]

184. I have often heard that Gloria Steinem is an elitist.

Now I understand that and I am very, very disappointed.

I do say this as someone who is a feminist and built several grass-roots womens' organizations.

[SusanCalvin]

192. Now that I think back on what I've read of hers,

Oh dear, perhaps she is. Well, we all have our blind spots, but this comment of hers is disappointing in the extreme.

[roguevalley]

234. Her contempt with transgender began with Renee Richards

And continues with c. Jenner in same interview.

[SusanCalvin]

248. Really. I did not know that.

Sigh. Another idol bites the dust.

[retrowire]

23. What the flippity fuck did I just read? nt

[polichick]

26. Girl, bye.

[Renew Deal]

29. Did she throw in a Bwahahahahaha?

I would have went a different route. Vote Hillary or die! Bwahahahahaha

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. Let me tell you this:

Had I been one of those undecided young ladies in the audience when she said that, it would have sent me straight to Bernie. Voting for someone just because they have a vagina is offensive!!! And for Albright to lay that disgusting guilt trip on young female voters is despicable. Gloria Steinem - young women are voting for Bernie because they're"following boys" and now this?

HRH is going to LOSE because of this kind if shit. Young women don't appreciate being INSULTED and GUILT TRIPPED. Sleazy, sleazy campaign.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Karma13612]

41. ^^^ +100 ^^^

[Avalux]

48. Us older women don't like it much either. n/t

[Le Taz Hot]

64. +1

[SusanCalvin]

105. Me, me, me! nt

[Duval]

124. You got that right! nt

[Blue_In_AK]

128. Yup.

Old woman for Bernie here.

[hedda_foil]

245. Another old woman for Bernie here too.

[sarge43]

115. No one should be talked to like that. It's vile. n/t

[AngryOldDem]

216. Spot on.

I know EXACTLY what my 25-year-old daughter would say about this. And it would NOT be complimentary.

[saltpoint]

31. What's the cut-off age here anyway?

Was thinking about Susan Sarandon. We don't want any Thelma and Louise scenarios just because Madeline Albright is shooting off her mouth.

[Kall]

32. Damn

And they were already in trouble for not supporting Sarah Palin...

[SusanCalvin]

106. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[rhett o rick]

38. I think that Ms. Albright see a lot of herself in Clinton. They are both admired by the neocons

and MIC.

[SusanCalvin]

139. Good point. nt

[ReallyIAmAnOptimist]

42. Sorry...

...this 56 yr old professional woman isn't voting for HRC just because she has a vagina. What a joke.

Bernie is the best candidate on every issue. Period.

[RiverLover]

57. Same for this 49 year old.

Voting based on gender is sexism on steroids.

We're so, so fortunate Bernie is running. He's not only right on the issues, he isn't bought by Moneyed Interests. He's not just saying it for votes....Its amazing & wonderful & we need him as president working for US.

It would be a miracle if we can do this, in this fight against the perpetual pimping out of our govt.

That's 100000 times more important than electing a female simply because she also has a vagina, while faking a populist stance.

[SusanCalvin]

108. 63 here.

[Karma13612]

44. What is going on with notable powerful females?

Give it a rest with the "Hillary is the right candidate" to vote for if you are a woman.

No

Just no

[Arazi]

46. Clintons surrogates are not helping her with this kind of trash talking

[hifiguy]

102. I'd bet they're doing wonders for

Bernie's fundraising, though.

[SusanCalvin]

110. Hmmmmmm....

Perhaps I should up my monthly contribution. Drastically.

[Nite Owl]

167. Thinking the same

I give $50 every couple of months but think I'll make it monthly. I'll give up something else.

[SusanCalvin]

169. .

[Gregorian]

45. Come on.

[LWolf]

47. Unfortunately for Madeleine,

I don't believe in hell as a fiery pit of after-death torture, but as a place right here on earth we make for ourselves, or don't.

I reserve that fiery after-death pit for those who actually believe in it. Poor Madeleine.

I certainly think women should help each other. I think I'm helping my fellow women by electing Bernie Sanders, who has a stellar record on women's issues.

I will eagerly help the right woman become the first female POTUS. When she decides to run. I look forward to it, and hope it happens during my lifetime.

[jtuck004]

50. Someone bring the Smores... n/t

[Armstead]

52. I'll be in the Berniebros section of Hades but I'll see if I cen bring em over

[jtuck004]

61. I heard they allow dogs down there, so the, uh, hell with the other place. n/t

[sadoldgirl]

51. Great, then I will be surrounded by good friends

and a lot of nice Bernie supporters!

[2pooped2pop]

53. Jokes on her

I've been slated for hellfire for a long time now and my refusal to back Clinton has nothing to do with it

[pa28]

54. The constant and divisive smears on race, sex are just going way too far.

It's going to permanently alienate many lifetime Democrats and they just don't see it. Big, big mistake to go that deeply negative.

[Odin2005]

55. Article: Clinton isn’t a champion of women’s rights. She’s the embodiment of corporate feminism.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-feminism/

[AOR]

83. Good read that should be an OP...

Hard to do it justice with the four paragraph rule.

[m-lekktor]

91. "False Choices: The Faux Feminism of Hillary Rodham Clinton"

Also a book coming out in June from Doug Henwood"s (who wrote "My Turn" a book critical of Hillary Clinton from the left) wife Liza Featherstone not available until June though.

"Hillary Clinton presents her campaign for the presidency and her long career in public life as a triumph of feminism. But an all-star lineup of American feminists here says, "It's not that simple." In a history of proposals and policies on welfare, Wall Street, crime and policing, immigration, international health, and war, Clinton has advanced ideas and laws that have actually hurt women--and restricted the powerful idea of feminism itself. From leading feminist figures like Laura Flanders, Moe Tkacik and Medea Benjamin to a new generation of young women writers and thinkers, this book restores to feminism its revolutionary meaning and outlines how truly robust feminist policies could transform the United States and its relation to the world"b]

http://www.amazon.com/False-Choices-Feminism-Hillary-Clinton-ebook/dp/B015MA7RB2/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1454802140&sr=1-1&keywords=faux+feminism

[orpupilofnature57]

176. + 1000000000000 !!!!!!!!!!!

[orpupilofnature57]

56. And it will be your fault the Donald is emperor .

[SusanCalvin]

113. Am I missing the sarcasm because I am on teh tablet? nt

[Warren DeMontague]

58. I'm sure Hillary's chums in "the family" know all about hellfire and brimstone!

[orpupilofnature57]

177. + 1000000000000 !!!!!!!!!!!

[Matariki]

59. I like Madeleine Albright but this is just desperate

We women obviously don't support candidates *just* because they're women. Or we'd be singing the praises of the likes of Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann.

This is just stupid and transparent. Between this and Gloria Steinem's imbecilic statement, Clinton supporters have jumped the shark today insulting other women.

[DeadLetterOffice]

88. THANK YOU! EXACTLY!!! eom

[ejbr]

60. So since it is only about gender,

Carly Fiorina is also on the table.

[SusanCalvin]

127. Noooooooooo!

She destroyed my hometown company.

[Empowerer]

62. Good Lord - it was a joke

Lighten up ...

[SusanCalvin]

116. If so, it exhibited extremely poor judgment.

OK with me actually, if the Clinton campaign wants to shoot itself in the foot.

[tomm2thumbs]

63. it's call 'the elevator' up to the first floor - of reality

once the doors open, all female Sanders supporters are welcome to enter

[Enthusiast]

65. Medeline, that is just crazy talk!

[CoffeeCat]

66. Well....we are "feeling the Bern"

So maybe Albright is on point!

[Live and Learn]

67. ROFL

[Paulie]

118. Awesome

[antigop]

68. who supported Cuomo when Zephyr Teachout ran against him for governor? nt

[SusanCalvin]

122. BAZINGA!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hillary-clinton-boosts-cuomo-ticket-moreland-counsel-trashes-article-1.1930038

Clinton became one of the biggest Democratic guns yet to rally behind Cuomo’s ticket this week, part of a strategy to overwhelm Teachout and her running mate Tim Wu with party firepower.

Teachout:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zephyr_Teachout

[ornotna]

171. Hillary had no choice

Zephyr Teachout supported breaking up the big banks.

[SusanCalvin]

172. Bwaaaaaaaaa!

[antigop]

178. yep. nt

[lumberjack_jeff]

219. This. n/t

[Donkees]

69. Feel the Bern!

[AzDar]

70. Waaaay ahead of them..I'm in Arizona. But, Hillary Clinton and Madeleine Albright can fuck right OFF

[MrMickeysMom]

72. Dear rat-faced, depleted uranium distributor...

Stick to what you do best and tell all those mothers of children who you thought were worth killing as collateral damage that you are going to a very special place not soon enough...

P.S. Go Fuck Yourself, MADeline
?quality=75&strip=color&w=396

[mother earth]

73. I do #FeelTheBern happily! Albright & Hillary do not speak for this democratic-socialist feminist.

I'm especially disgusted by the DNC, HRC & DWS in this election. There will be a backlash alright, it will be against the democratic party that did not honor its base or both candidates, it chose to promote the woman who's beholden to the oligarchy that this country has become thanks to big money buying our elections, gov't and voice. But then, they apparently are a wall st. front group, we see through the bums.

Fuck that.

I'm reborn in the fire, hell, I'm spreading the fire with every spark and blaze left in me. I'm #Berning it up!

There's storm coming!

[tecelote]

74. Fear! Fear! Fear!

That's the trick!

[thesquanderer]

76. Good news... Sanders doesn't believe in Hell. (n/t)

[leftofcool]

77. Hellgate must be the newest poutrage.

[Hissyspit]

78. My far-left sister-in-law said that Hillary undermined/s her own good record on women's rights

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by compromising economic and other issues that affect women's lives.

Another way to look at it, Sec. Albright.

[MrMickeysMom]

92. Nailed it...

... she did!

[MuseRider]

79. Better draw up my will now then.

This is the saddest thing I have seen in a while. Who the hell cares what Albright thinks about your vote?

Personally if I have to vote for Hillary every time she does something I hate, and she will and probably often, it will feel like hell so there is that too.

I think I will vote for Bernie and feel like I at least did the right thing there.

[Jack Rabbit]

80. Madeleine Albbright said that, did she?

Does the woman who claimed the suffering of Iraqi children visited upon them by US imposed sanctrions was "worth it" expect anybody to respect her views on who deserves eternal punishment?

[Bohemianwriter]

81. That coming from the mouth...

who said these words...

Take it as an honor if you are being damned to hell by her.

[Geronimoe]

123. Those children's lives didn't matter

because they had oil reserves.

When she say we think it was worth killing all those children. we is Wall Street, Petro industry, and miliarty industrial complex. In other words it is the establishment.

[Bohemianwriter]

183. I guess...

I wasn't the only one noticing her stunning lack of self awareness.

Wall Street, Petro industry, and miliarty industrial complex makes me slightly ill...

[lumberjack_jeff]

82. Those who vote for Bernie, men or women, ARE helping not only each other, but us all. n/t

[peace13]

85. Two things..

She doesn't need to throw her religious hoo ha in my face and any woman who votes for a woman simply by gender is an unthinking soul and does so at a risk to all of us!

[warrprayer]

87. I would say...

[Voice for Peace]

90. Hellfire is one idea. Another, purportedly from Gloria Steinem,

Says the main reason young women are into Bernie is so they can meet guys.

So they can meet guys!


I KNOW!!
?

And to boot, her idea is that women become braver when they get older; ergo women of a certain age, who aren't looking for love or sex, are the ones brave enough to support Hillary.
Or something

Gloria is using her imagination poorly.. Gloria, Gloria, you are sadly uninformed about today's young women and you break my heart. Did you forget they have brains?

I would love one day to see Hilary. standing on her own feet:,operating with a clear conscience:
no baggage,
No ambitions requiring double dealing winking nodding and distorting truth at the expense of others,
No advocating military madness.
etc.
I wish her a long life filled with much humble introspection, and many years playing with the grandbabies.

[Gman]

93. Well, there is a special place in hell for them

They side with men like Sanders because they can't think for themselves. The young girls lack the life experience to know what happens to strong women. So they take the easy way so they'll be accepted by the men.

[SusanCalvin]

125. Did I miss the sarcasm smilie because I am on teh tablet? nt

[Lordquinton]

198. Please label your sarcasm

I can see why you would make jokes like this given some of the sexist things that have been said (which you are ironically mocking, I'm sure) but it might be misconstrued as serious without

[Blue_Adept]

199. Jury Results

On Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:35 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Well, there is a special place in hell for them
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1160607

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This person has been making several posts that are dismissive of women and their motives, as if we are unthinking servants to our male masters having no mind or thoughts of our own. It is beginning to fray my nerves. Please hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:43 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not hide-worthy
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Explanation: If Sanders is a woman hater then I'm Donald Trump.
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[Gman]

227. most don't even know who she is

I guess the new feminism is be like the men so you can have a boyfriend then once that is secured, act like a feminist. Just don't ask them to do anything that would piss the men off like support another woman. And above all don't talk about the conflict so they don't have to think about it.

[frylock]

206. Off the fucking rails.

The absolute self-destruction of this campaign is going to be something to behold.

[Warren DeMontague]

209. I would advise you not to quit your day job based upon your self-assessment of your abilities

as an armchair psychoanalyst.

[lasttrip]

226. Perfect.

Thanks Warren.
Peace.
LT

[Warren DeMontague]

246. Of course, that has the dubious distinction

of being the "least popular Dead song of all time"

peace to you, too.

[lasttrip]

249. lol. I know..some early encore exits except for taper friends.

the early eighties were fun.
Peace.
LT

[lumberjack_jeff]

218. Gloria? Gloria Steinem? Is that you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1157939

[malletgirl02]

229. Describing adult women as "young girls" is sexist

You whole post is sexist just people young women aren't for your candidate doesn't mean they can't think for themselves.

[mythology]

94. It was really stupid to say in this context

It's one thing if you're talking about women who help commit FGM. It's another if you are talking about women voting in a free election.

Clinton isn't owed a vote because her of gender alone. Gender can certainly play a role, but it shouldn't be a singular issue in who one votes for in my opinion.

[SusanCalvin]

96. I give her the benefit of the doubt, sort of.

Apparently it's a phrase she has used a lot, but jeeze Louise - did she give no thought to how it would sound in this context?

[zalinda]

137. How many actually remember that she used that phrase?

And, how many younger women would know?

Z

[SusanCalvin]

142. Not me - and I'm old.

I was just taking others' word in good faith.

[Liberal Jesus Freak]

97. Then I guess there's a special place in hell for Hillary...

because she's never done a damn thing to help me

[LiberalAndProud]

101. I realize that it's not the most sensational phrase, but

the one that caught my attention is this one, "working to narrow the gap in the Granite State." Considering she won the New Hampshire primary eight years ago by a narrow margin, if these polls are accurate, it does not bode well for her candidacy.

[onecaliberal]

109. I can't stand to be cold anyway. There is 0 chance for me to switch sides.

[Autumn]

112. Wow. Just wow

Hell it is.

[SammyWinstonJack]

117. Nice company Hillary keeps...Albright and Henry Kissinger.

No thanks Hillary.

I don't believe in hell, but I'd say those two already have a special place reserved in their honor.

[SusanCalvin]

132. Bingo. nt

[Blue_In_AK]

119. If all the people who think they're going to heaven end up there,

then I'll be with my friends in hell.

[Geronimoe]

129. I'd say she is feeling the "Bern"

All men who don't support Bernie are going to hell. Men need to support each other too!

All lives matter Albright, even the 500,000 Iraqi children you killed.

Save one life, save the world.

[Locrian]

130. does that mean she likes Fiorina??? - nt

[Duval]

138. Ah, Madeline has used bad judgment before this crap.

I noticed a couple of responses alluding to her "it was worth it" re:Iraq. I'm trying to remember something else she did during the Bush Administration. Oh well, maybe it'll come to me around 3:00AM. My Mom used to say "Hell is here on Earth", and I believe that.

[senz]

140. Hope she contributed to Palin and Fiorina. They're as fully gendered female as Hill.

[SusanCalvin]

145. BAZINGA! nt

[PatrynXX]

143. Well gee why didn't she support Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman then

get the haters out of our party!!

[Utopian Leftist]

144. Surreal.

Threaten young people with Hell if they don't vote your way? How is this different from the religious zealots in this country such as Ted Cruz, who claim they are Christian first, American second?

Also, I didn't know that Madelaine Albright was so well-acquainted with Satan and knows so much about who will be visiting him. If I were Satan, I think I'd get chummy with Hillary and her cronies, too....

[yuiyoshida]

146. Ms Albright will be there long BEFORE I Go...

She sounds like a Republican RightWinger...same terminology...

[ciaobaby]

148. dear Medeline,

There's a special place in hell for women who think they can tell other women what to do !

[99th_Monkey]

149. OMG!! I thought you were exaggerating. She actually went there.

I'm sure all those compliant docile young Millennial women will "fall in line" after
hearing that.

[TBF]

154. Dear Secretary Albright:

Dear Secretary Albright:

I have managed on this planet nearly a half century without your advice, and I think I'll skip this tidbit as well.

Best,

TBF

[SusanCalvin]

194. I don't normally cuss, but,

Your graphic that is somehow showing up on teh tablet is excellent shorthand.

[DebbieCDC]

155. Fine - if I'm going to the non-existent religious "hell" because I support Bernie

then I'll see Hillary there and tell her what I think of her to her face. And Madeline Albright too.

[Scruffy1]

156. Looks like we have an old fashioned primary fight.

this is what democracy looks like.

[TBF]

161. Good old-fashioned insulting all the women in the room -

[SusanCalvin]

168. Eeeeeeeew!!! nt

[bowens43]

159. hillarys admires are completely off the rails.....i hill administration would be full of lunatics.

unfucking believable

[840high]

164. Read this...

Feminist activist Gloria Steinem on Friday suggested that young women support Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders over rival Hillary Clinton because they want to meet boys.

On HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Maher,” Maher asked Steinem why Clinton, who has campaigned on the historic nature of her candidacy, was losing the young female vote.

don’t mean to over-generalize … but men tend to get more conservative because they gain power as they age, and women get more radical because they lose power as they age,” Steinem responded.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/268498-gloria-steinem-young-women-support-sanders-to-attract-men#

[bvar22]

165. Thre is already a special place in hell reserved for Albright (and Kissinger).

Maddy Albright was SoS during the Clinton severe sanctions on Iraq that were responsible for the unnecessary deaths of over 1/2 Million innocent Iraqi children.
When questioned about the deaths of these Brown Chuildren,
this is what she said:

"It was worth it!!!!!!"
No wonder she supports Hillary.
That kind of blood doesn't wash off.
Hillary's Body Count already exceeds Albright's,
and she is quickly closing in on Kissinger's Body Count .

The LAST thing I want is Hillary's finger On The Button, simply because she has serially demonstrated a shocking lack of judgement or concern for the lives of Brown People.

[dinkytron]

173. Not only that but we all know you are just looking to meet guys.

[passiveporcupine]

174. So it's all about women and forget everone else's needs?

Got it.

This has been said before (and shown to be true before) for many of Hillary's supporter...her stance on women's rights and being the first possible woman president outweighs all other issues.

I was in bed last night thinking to myself...you know, if Hillary wins the primary, as much as I dislike her personally, I will still be excited at the prospect of a woman POTUS.

I mean, I GET IT!

It is something I want to see happen. But she does not offer the woman's perspective on life that I want to see brought into our leadership. Warren does. She will not be all bad, and for that I'm willing to vote for her in the general, but I want to see a real wise, kind and gentle person in the white house again, like Obama, and like Bernie...regardless of sex. That to me is far more important than breaking that glass ceiling. For me it's not about breaking the ceiling. It's about changing the balance of personality traits and perspective by having a wise, mature and thoughtful woman at the helm. Men and women need each other...they need to share their special traits. Men need to get to know their female side and women need to get to know their male side, but not to the degree that they actually shift over and lose themselves. She is too aggressive and she is too much of an authoritarian for my tastes. She has lost her feminine traits in her grasp for power.

Unfortunately, because the competition for POTUS is so stiff, it takes a very competitive and pushy woman to even want to stay in the race, so this is pretty much what we can expect most of the time. she showed in the New Hampshire debate that she is letting all the uglies out against Bernie. Just watching the anger on her face as she looked at him was unsettling. He tried several times to allow her to redeam her good side, and once or twice she got it...but not every time. She is showing us again who she was in 2008 and she's still the same person today. What she doesn't get is that being a kinder and more respectful candidate, like Bernie, would actually gain her a lot more votes if she wins the primary. She is antagonizing too may people this way. People she will need to win the general if she wins the primary.

[SusanCalvin]

195. It takes a competitive and pushy *anybody.*

That is not, and never has been, my objection.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

179. Alex, I'll take Nina Turner

for Election supporters and join her in Hell.

[bkkyosemite]

185. I am truly FEELING THE BERN!!!!!!

Go to hell Madeline.

[hopemountain]

191. a woman who will lead our country the same as

all of the corporate establishment, racists, bigots, irresponsible, greedy natural resource exploiters and the insatiable war machine that considers our children fodder - does not convince me she is the woman for the job.

just because she is a woman does not mean she can lead our country out of the quagmire of the status quo. bernie is right. this job is more about judgment and hillary does not have the judgement nor the will to NOT follow her corporate funders.

[Bernblu]

197. If anyone is going to hell it'll be people like Madeline Albright.

[southerncrone]

202. Good thing I like the heat, I guess....

[cui bono]

207. It's going to get more and more difficult

to distinguish them from Teabaggers as the primary goes on.

.

[Mnemosyne]

208. That's ok, if I believed in hell, a fundy gave me a card years ago to get out of hell free. nt

[silenttigersong]

210. What amazes me is

Hillary Clinton voted for the IWR,and people believe that she can undo the damage of Bush. Smart Power..

[leftupnorth]

211. I proudly stand with all the hell bound women for their endorsement of Bernie Sanders!

Lmao!

[mdbl]

212. Maybe madeleine is suffering from dementia?

What a strange and misleading comment.

[aquart]

213. Bernie didn't for president until the field was one woman.

Now go back to pretending gender isn't an issue. Of course it isn't. But a woman has to be perfect to get your vote. Bernie the protector of gun manufacturers doesn't have to be perfect.He's a guy.

[Armstead]

215. yeah that's the only reason he ran

[aquart]

250. I totally take this back.

I had no idea how messy Bernie's personal life was. Not exceptionally messy for a guy of that age with no religious rigidity, but an irreligious Jew, divorced, with a baby mama and illegitimate child RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT? Oy vey!

This was probably the first year he could run and not get hammered with it. Say what you like, we really have come a long way.

[AngryOldDem]

214. With every single passing day, I'm becoming more and more insulted by Clinton and her campaign.

While I may not be the most politically savvy person walking the earth, nor the most intelligent, I do know bullshit when I see it, and as the mother of a young woman who is in the demographic of those whom Albright was talking to, I can GUARANTEE you that these women can -- and will -- see through it as well.

Really -- this crap of "us girls gotta stick together" takes the cake. And if I do burn in hell for not supporting HRC (who I will NOT vote for unless there is no other option) then so be it. I'll do so with a clear conscience.

Fuck. This. Shit. I'm better than this, and so are all of the women in the United States. HRC should be ashamed of this.

[amborin]

217. they've got some female ny senator or representative up in nh today, too nt

[roody]

220. I'll be in good company.

[polly7]

221. Well I was assured here long ago I was evil

so I'll be sure to lay out the welcome mat! Sounds like hell is going to be a lot of fun.

[Punkingal]

222. On Meet The Press this morning Hillary LAUGHED about what Albright said.

[ancianita]

223. Atheist non-believers like me are exempt. The gods respect all views.

[Betty Karlson]

224. I thought it was about more than overies and a uterus? Clinton has no issues to command then?

Classless act from Allbright. I'll say it is worthy of one so eager to bomb other women's countries.

[Zorra]

225. "If you don't vote for Hillary, you're a bad little girl, and will be punished".

How insulting. More ancient authoritarian patriarchal fear and shame control BS.

X + X ? Stupid

[Merryland]

228. Hell would be

being forced to listen to Albright and Clinton forever

[SoapBox]

230. Unhinged...perfect description!

Bernie and the Voters have the Elite scared shitless...who really knew that they were this rotten, corrupt and now paranoid of their cushy existence getting disturbed.

[sinkingfeeling]

235. yahoo, going to hell.

[libodem]

236. Feeling the Bern already

Ouch!

[joanbarnes]

237. My answer: We ARE helping each other (and EVERYONE) when we support Bernie!

[joanbarnes]

238. Oh, I already feel the Bern!

[leftcoastmountains]

240. What Ms. Albright tells me is that she is anti-choice.

Because I'm a woman I must vote for Hillary? Really? At the age of 63 I've been told
how I must behave because I'm a woman over and over throughout my life.
Of course I turned a deaf ear to that nonsense. But for any feminist to make
that kind of statement is rather outrageous, or any woman for that matter.

[LW1977]

241. As a grown up Bernie supporter who will vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination..

Albright is an idiot for saying that!

[OhZone]

242. Too bad she didn't exactly say that. n/t

[Lifelong Protester]

243. I'll risk it.

[redruddyred]

244. i wish there were a special place in hell for bankers

but since there's likely no afterlife, better that justice is served in this one.

[Babel_17]

247. Like how God has endorsed Ted Cruz? (nt)

[libodem]

251. Yep

We will really be feeling the Bern there.