All this shit implying Sanders supporters are racists and sexists needs to stop.

[Odin2005]

If the Establishment and Clinton supporters keep pushing that narrative that Sanders and his supporters don't care about race and gender equality issues and then Clinton gets the nomination it is going to destroy the Democratic Party and help those RW populist types pushing the "politically correct Social Justice Warriors hate working class white men" narrative.

[Metric System]

1. Thank God Sanders supporters are behaving so well.

[Armstead]

2. No one is behaving

[Depaysement]

31. Yes

They are following your fine example.

[840high]

42. I think you meant the

Hillary supporters. Go check the nasty Hillary site.

[workinclasszero]

69. IKR?

[frylock]

75. You start the shit, and we finish it off.

There's a very distinctive timeline that Hillary Supporter wants to bury.

[Metric System]

96. Hillary has been attacked on DU since before Sanders even announced.

[frylock]

97. Hillary has been called to task for her votes and policy positions.

[dlwickham]

120. Is that why women are told to stop voting with their vaginas

Hmm?

[frylock]

138. Take that up with the women who say that.

[dlwickham]

197. It's men and women saying it

It's sexist no matter who says it.

[Luminous Animal]

149. I'm with frylock. Take up with the women who say that. I am a woman and I AM NOT VOTING

WITH MY VAGINA and I urge other women not vote with their vaginas, too.

My 25 year old daughter and year unanimous amongst her friends are also not voting with their vaginas. And yes, the politically active amongst them are reaching out to other millennials and urging them to reject vagina politics.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

200. The assertion that women vote only with their vagina is sexist and shouldn't be tolerated at DU!

[PeaceNikki]

203. NO women vote "with their vagina", LA

[scscholar]

156. Which I don't get

She is our best hope. Our best hope.

[Glamrock]

173. Well, we each have our own experiences which

Inform our world. Where I live (my experience) I know one Hillary supporter. Both the liberals and conservatives in my family hate her. Their word, not mine. (Couple of my aunts promised to hold their noses and vote for her if she gets the nomination because of the Supreme court, thank god.) None of my friends like her. No one I work with likes her. Some even hate her.

I also travel for work, blue collar. Spend a lot of time with other blue collar guys (union and non) both at work and at the hotel (generally outside smoking). Same thing, I have yet to hear anyone speak favorably of her. A large minority hate her. A majority dislike her. There's a reason she polls negatively in regard to favorability, people don't like her. I know how much of that was done by the other side, I've defended her. But the fact is, people don't like her. My experience verifys that for me. Your experience may inform you that her negative favorability is BS.

However, again where I'm at, my Dad's got the Bern, my conservative republican boss has got the Bern, numerous friends and family members who have voted GOP in the past are feeling the Bern. Again, my experience informs me that Sanders is our best hope due to crossover appeal while your experience may inform you differently.

Anyway, that's one of the reasons why we on this board have such a disconnect with each other. That's why you don't get it. Life experience. Maybe where you are at everyone loves her. I don't presume to know. But, where i'm at, that's not the case.

[Art_from_Ark]

179. Our best hope for what, exactly?

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

207. Hear those crickets?

[cui bono]

182. She absolutely is not. She will lose the general. She's an awful campaigner and has too much baggage

She will cause Dems to stay home and the GOP to come out in droves to elatedly vote against her.

Bernie has crossover appeal. He will get some moderate GOP votes. He will get the youth to come out and vote who will stay home if they are fed one more same old same old establishment corporate centrist. They need to know that the person they vote for will fight for their future. Hillary won't. She already told us "we can't".

We know for certain that in Bernie we have someone who will fight for us. He is energizing so many people and they are volunteering all over the place to help get him elected. He is not beholden to any corporate donors like Hillary is.

Bernie is our ONLY hope.

.

[eridani]

189. Are you kidding? She is doing nothing to attract the 63%

That's the percent of eligible voters who did not vote in 2014. Sanders is mobilizing them.

[mgmaggiemg]

128. agree

agree

[phleshdef]

81. Most of us on both sides are behaving fine. Its the loud few who like a dirty fight screwing it up.

I like Hillary and will vote for her in the general if it isn't Bernie. But Bernie is my candidate.

[Feeling the Bern]

103. HRC supporters need to look in a mirror. Projection is an ugly thing

Any time I even lob a mild criticism at HRC, I'm told I'm "classy" and a "typical Bernbot."

Sorry, HRC supporters have dirty hands and if I am going to be impugned, I will return the favor. I never have and never will back down from a fight or a bully, even online!

Sanders worked all his life for sex and racial equality and justice. To call him anything other than a warrior on these issues is spin, lies and flat out ignorance!

[jonestonesusa]

175. Word.

[PatrynXX]

118. yeah we are problem is like Faux

we kinda get angry when lies are put on us so we push back as any human would we ain't perfect

[Jenny_92808]

121. Let's not create a circular firing squad.

I will vote for Hillary if she wins even though my first choice is Bernie.

[mgmaggiemg]

134. great

[Stonepounder]

130. From the FWIW Dept

I am a Sanders supporter. I want Bernie to win the nomination and I will do all that I can to get to that point. If Hillary gets the nomination, I will campaign for her. I will vote BLUE for every office on the ticket.

I am of the demographic of 'angry old white man'. I'm angry that we are fighting for women's equality all over again. I'm angry that we are STILL fighting for racial equality. I'm angry that these so-called Christians are piously going to church on Sunday and then forgetting everything that Jesus taught about taking care of your brother Mon-Sat.

I fought in many of these battles 50 years ago when I marched, worked voter registration drives in the South, passed out leaflets urging passage of the ERA. I will point out the hypocrisy of a candidate criticizing the president for 'going outside the Constitution' with and Executive Order and then in almost the same breath saying that 'God's law supersedes the Constitution'.

I am practically frothing at the mouth at the Republican Congress putting their careers and the party ahead of the country they are supposed to represent.

I prefer Bernie, but I would vote for Hillary, any democrat, any lower animal with a single progressive and/or liberal bone in its body, and my pet rock before I would vote for ANY Republican for President.

So, please don't try and tar all Bernie supporters with the same brush and I, for my part, will not tar Hillary or her supporters.

[hifiguy]

3. It won't.

It's all they have and they can't begin to compete with Bernie on policy.

[beam me up scottie]

9. They would rather discuss supporters than candidates and issues.

If you compare Bernie's policies to Hillary's you'll see why.

If they believed their candidate was the better choice they would be posting positive articles about her but I guess they can't find any?

[hifiguy]

15. Policy-wise there's an anvil on the Sanders side of the scale

and a couple dust motes on the other side. Makes it difficult, I s'pose.

[beam me up scottie]

19. Do they even realize they have a candidate?

All of their threads and posts are about Bernie and/or his supporters.

It's bizarre.

[AlbertCat]

119. Do they even realize they have a candidate?

Oh, c'mon! She had her pic taken with orphans or something, didn't she?
She's a grandmother, for Christ sake!
It's crass to be mean to grandmothers.

[arcane1]

4. When they can't win on policy... Whatever It Takes!(tm)

[HerbChestnut]

5. It's been going on for months.

Their strategy is clear: Whatever it takes to win.

[1StrongBlackMan]

6. So how would you have Black people respond to ... well ...

the racist shit showing up in some Bernie supporters' writings?

I mean I hate to see it; but, I'm going to call it out every time. Perhaps the OP should read:

All this shit with Sanders supporters saying/writing racist and sexist shit needs to stop.

Cue: "Who? ... What? ... Where? I haven't seen it" laugh track in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

[Gothmog]

8. Great post

[noiretextatique]

11. this black person responds to individuals

rather than claim ALL of Sander's supporters are guilty. just as I know only a few idiots are claiming opposition to Clinton is because of rw brainwashing. and surely you are not suggesting that the only racists at DU and on the internet are Sanderss supporters, are you? I know a few in the Clinton camp right here.

[1StrongBlackMan]

29. Good for you ... Do you call on (the few/many) Bernie supporters on DU, and elsewhere ...

to stop posting racist/sexist shit? Or, are your content ignoring it because ... NotAllBernieSupporters?

surely you are not suggesting that the only racists at DU and on the internet are Sanderss supporters, are you?

No ... I call them out too. But, with respect to this political contest, to this point, "I ain't got no beef with HRC supporters ... ain't no HRC supporter called me no race-nagger/Stockholm Syndrome sufferer" (apologies to The Greatest ... Muhammad Ali).

[uponit7771]

39. +1

[noiretextatique]

40. of course i call them out...i call out all racists

you have got to be kidding...let's leave it at that.

[1StrongBlackMan]

46. I Must have missed you ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251687330

My bad.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

104. Of course, Willy self deleted that after you posted the link to it.

Not last month when he posted it and people requested he self-delete. Just tonight, after you brought it up again for the millionth time.

NCTraveler was nice enough to post the text of his OP in the last comment before Willy self-deleted that racist bullshit, however.

[1StrongBlackMan]

107. No doubt, WillyT did it at the insistence of those pretending the shit doesn't happen ...

But I'm cool with that.

[Bluenorthwest]

114. Ah, a thread also addressing LGBT, in which I gave that poster no quarter, I am a Bernie supporter

and you are painting me, also targeted by that post and very vocal in response to it, with the same brush you use for the poster and that is absolutely not decent behavior. It is not acceptable and it is exactly what the other poster was saying to you.
I really think you need to retract that, since your own damn link shows me and many other Bernie supporters giving that poster a full dressing down.

[1StrongBlackMan]

136. Whatever are you talking about ... besides, once again,making yourself into a victim?

[Bluenorthwest]

154. Can't follow your own plot? Twice you offered links to the Stockholm thread to characterize Sanders

supporters, of which I am one, of not calling out such bigoted shit. I'm in that very thread, as are many other Bernie supporters, calling out that bigoted shit with great gusto. So it is not right of you to characterize me and others by the actions of someone you know we have castigated.

Someone had to point out that the link you posted is full of Bernie supporters like me calling out the racism and homophobia in that thread. So that's what I'm doing. Racism and homophobia, by the way. So how gay people respond to that is also pertinent and you can see how I responded as a gay Bernie supporter in your own link so I am pointing out that. Because I'm on record and your reporting of that thread is not honest about what is said in it by Bernie supporters including me a gay Bernie supporter who really mouthed off in that thread and others to that poster.

I want that to be clearly understood by all parties. Your characterization needed to be challenged and I did so. And rather than respond you insulted me for reasons of your own.

[1StrongBlackMan]

163. That post had 56 recs and a couple hundred response ...

Yes ... there were a few, even, several Bernie supporter calling the OP out of line ... But there were few fewer than, those that rec'd ... in fact, the OP survived a jury.

[JDPriestly]

100. Who has been posting racist/sexist stuff?

Bill Clinton signed several bills like the sentencing reform act, the Welfare Bill, and the Defense of Marriage Act that their drafters intended to be sexist and racist. Bernie stood tall against those bills.

If there is a racist and sexist candidate in our primary, it certainly is not Bernie. To the contrary.

And these false accusations will split our party.

[1StrongBlackMan]

111. Come on, JD ... not you, too! "Who? What? ... I've never seen it! Can you post a link?" ...

Please don't play the ignorant ... you have participated in far too many threads that contained the stuff ... You just chose to ignore it, and talk around it.

[Bluenorthwest]

117. I just addressed the link you posted. You should apologize to me and the other Bernie supporters in

that thread speaking against it. It also attacked LGBT which you, true to your own form, leave out entirely.

[1StrongBlackMan]

137. I'm sorry that I do not make my every post about you! Feel better? eom.

[Bluenorthwest]

158. That is just evasive bullying behavior that does not impress me. Address the points I made to you.

You can't so you won't so instead you will repeatedly employ little jabs of the sort your bias tells you will get to me. They don't.
You made assertions, I challenged them, my objections were very specific and came with reasons that I find them objectionable. In return, you have insulted me twice.

[1StrongBlackMan]

166. LOL ...

I challenged them, my objections were very specific and came with reasons that I find them objectionable.

You were one of the few that called the OP out of line.

Happy?

And Yes, ... the LOL is me being bullyingly dismissive.

[AgingAmerican]

116. Most of it has come from Hillary supporters

And it has been well documented and beaten to death. Wouldn't doubt if at least some of it pertains to Bernie's heritage. All the 'Where's Waldo?' crap and baseless accusations of white supremacy in particular.

[1StrongBlackMan]

142. LOL ... I'll tell you what ... You post a thread with a HRC making a racist statement ...

and I'll post 5 of Bernie supporters.

BTW ... Noting that Bernie's crowds lack diversity, is not racist. So don't start.

[AgingAmerican]

152. Where's Waldo?

???

[1StrongBlackMan]

187. Commenting on the lack of diversity of Bernie's crowd is racist? Do tell. eom

[jonestonesusa]

176. The vote in Iowa among people of color was around

56% for Clinton and 34% for Sanders. 34% is a significant number of people of color supporting Sanders. If you are interested in facts, keep this fact in mind.

[Odin2005]

12. You are confusing genuine Bernie supporters with...

..."Brogressive" internet idiots on places like Reddit who could just as easily vote for Trump as they could for Bernie. Bernie is tapping into a lot of anti-establishment rage and it's impossible to filter out all the crap. Hillary does not have that excuse exactly BECAUSE she is Establishment.

[uponit7771]

34. Nope ...right here on du... There have been many AAs book marking post of this shit

[noiretextatique]

44. I am an AA, and I have seen all manner of racist shit here since I joined in 2002

and i include some Sander's supporters in that. But...what has been happening in the AA forum in branding Sanders as ____ because of some of his dumb ass supporters is unfortunate, to say the least. Of course, the fact that most of them support Clinton is absolutely coincidental. And to suggest that some Clinton supporters are not racist is simply an outright lie. Not saying that you are doing that, but certainly some have implied as much.

[1StrongBlackMan]

55. Sorry ... seem to have fallen for the narrative ...

But...what has been happening in the AA forum in branding Sanders as ____ because of some of his dumb ass supporters is unfortunate, to say the least.

No one in the AA Group has called, or even implied, Bernie a racist or sexist ... some of his supporters, on the other hand, absolutely!

[uponit7771]

133. +1

[AlbertCat]

146. So Sanders isn't racist.

But some of his supporters are?... and he shouldn't be elected for that????

So... are there any Clinton supporters who are racist? Are there some who even hate whites?! I mean I've read things like this in AA:

"Most of the time being white is an absence of problems."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118736341

Yep, that's exactly what "being white" is! Not a problem in the world. (I suppose that includes Hillary. She's white, y'know, and so , as I have also read in AA, cannot begin to understand what prejudice is since whites apparently can't.)

Frankly... I'm choosing my candidate for what they themselves did and they themselves said, not what some people I don't even know and have never met say or do..... because a LOT of stupid shit is being said everywhere.

[1StrongBlackMan]

160. Strawman Alert ...

"So Sanders isn't racist."

No. I do not believe so.

"But some of his supporters are?"

Yes. Based on what some have written, Yes, I believe so

"... and he shouldn't be elected for that????"

Straw man.

So... are there any Clinton supporters who are racist?

Yes ... there are. I haven't run into any on DU; but, I have in real life.

Are there some who even hate whites?! I mean I've read things like this in AA:

"Most of the time being white is an absence of problems.

"

Does that indicate a hatred for white people? Really? But still ... another straw man built.

[AlbertCat]

164. Most of the time being white is an absence of problems.

Does that indicate a hatred for white people?


Disingenuous much?


Is your straw man white or black?....

[1StrongBlackMan]

169. I'm done with you ...

Good evening.

[AlbertCat]

170. I'm done with you ...

That's just what Barbara Bush said to Al Franken once.

[Kentonio]

192. Yes they have implied it on occasion, but thankfully rarely.

Pnwmom: Bernie's positions on civil rights have been close to impeccable, but his history with nonwhites is more complicated.

Back in 1960s New York, black radicals weren't keen to sit at the knees of white intellectuals and be told what's what. The ensuing tensions prompted many white radicals to flee to the more accommodating hills of Vermont. Sanders was one. There's no gentler way to put this, but they were part of the era's white flight.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118733454

[1StrongBlackMan]

194. I guess that somehow that "implies" that ...

Pnwmom, or rather, Froma Harrop (the originator of the OP, recounting the history of relationship between SNCC and "white radicals&quot , was/is calling Bernie (white radicals) racist ... because she/they noting that when the Black radicals did not pursue the Black movement in the way white radicals thought they should (I.e., focus on economics rather than racism), the white radicals left for a place that the tension would no longer be at issue?

Would you like to discuss this further?

[Kentonio]

195. Sure, I'd like to learn more.

Because on the surface an accusation of white flight would seem to imply racism. If you can spare the time, I'd be very interested to hear more.

[1StrongBlackMan]

196. Was the "white flight" a matter of racism? ...

Or, rather, a case of: "If the organization that YOU started to address the cause that YOU identify and doesn't fight for YOUR cause in the manner I think YOU should ... even, as MY plan/agenda shifts the focus of YOUR organization, then I'M out of here"?

There are a lot of things I could ascribe that mindset to; but, racism would be among the last.

[Empowerer]

67. I've never seen anyone in the AA forum calling Sanders a racist.

Perhaps you are mistaken?

[Number23]

95. The first 50 times it's said it may be a mistake, but by now I think it's pretty clear it's

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deliberate. And I have no idea why but I can't be bothered anymore. I'm done with folks that act like they can't see what's going on around here and are more pissed off at the folks calling out the taunting and hostile behavior towards minorities here than the ones doing the behavior that needs calling out.

I don't get it. I REALLY don't freaking get it. And at this point, I'm not trying to anymore. The supporters, black and white, of all the candidates that have called this crap out right and left -- and there are ALOT of them including a ton of Sanders supporters -- are the only ones worth even a second of our time.

[NanceGreggs]

177. "I'm done with folks that act like they can't see what's going on around here ..."

THAT is the most frustrating part of all of this, the complete pretense that what actually gets posted here on a regular basis is somehow printed in invisible ink.

[1StrongBlackMan]

186. I guess the fish really don't notice the water they swim in ...

Despite all the non-amphibious' gasping for air?!?

[1StrongBlackMan]

112. Or, lying. eom.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

204. No, Empowerer, you have not seen anyone in the AA forum calling Sanders a racist...

...or even implying that he's a racist.

You and I know this well.

And the people making this assertion know, too. Their feigned outrage and tears are not working.

They have not witnessed anyone in the AA group implying or explicitly stating that Sanders is a racist.

What they may have seen, however, are members in the AA group taking Sanders to task for his stance on race vs. class.

Because many of us are questioning his personal and policy views on race, for some of the Sanders' supporters, we must be **implying** that Sanders is himself a racist, right? Right.

But they know this isn't true. It's an obfuscation on their part. This because many AA DUers have made it clear that the issue we have with Sanders is his disconnect with the black population, and his unwillingness to accept that race is most often the driver of economic inequality. The racism is what came first; the racism is pervasive regardless of the progress that the African American community has made. No amount of money in the world, economic success, or social mobility would overcome racism and that's what Bernie Sanders and some of his supporters fail to realize. I haven't decided if they are being naïve or willfully obtuse.

[1StrongBlackMan]

37. How is one to distinguish "genuine Bernie supporters" from the non-genuine? ...

Bernie is tapping into a lot of anti-establishment rage and it's impossible to filter out all the crap. Hillary does not have that excuse exactly BECAUSE she is Establishment.

Wait ... anti-establishment rage = racist sexist shit ... the Establishment = systemic racist/sexist shit ... That's a problem, right?

[noiretextatique]

49. are you saying that all Sanders' supporter are racists and sexists?

if not, then perhaps you will concede that SOME clinton supporters are also racists and sexists. so some clinton supporters are racist and sexist, as are some sanders' supporters. not hard to believe in america.

[1StrongBlackMan]

59. nd you know that ...

I am saying that the vast majority of DUers posting racist shit to DU ... do so in defense of Bernie.

We can do a cut and paste, or link for link contest if you wish.

[Odin2005]

50. I'm talking about the corporate economic establishment.

One can both be angry at the corporate stranglehold on society and have problematic attitudes towards women and POC.

[1StrongBlackMan]

62. I know ... they are, largely, referred to as trump supporters. But ...

those are not who we are talking about here.

[Bobbie Jo]

14. +1000

[Generic Other]

18. Like this

[1StrongBlackMan]

43. No, thank you ... I'd rather call them on their shit, than song a negro spiritual. But, thanks! eom

[Generic Other]

87. Are you implying that African Americans who support Sanders

are supporting a racist? Or are you saying that all/many/most Sanders' supporters are racists? This is an ugly accusation to level against any person, particularly if it is done merely to score political points.

I would like to think we as a party are better than this, that all of us could acknowledge that our support for individual candidates reflects our honest convictions. We do not need to resort to personal attacks and smears to support our candidates.

I am going to try to take my own advice and remind myself that other Democrats are not the real problem in this country, that what I post in the heat of the moment on DU only represents my one voice--not the entire Democratic party. And I am going to try and tone down the rhetoric because I want Democrats to win this election. I am going to "keep my eye on the prize" to quote an old spiritual.

[1StrongBlackMan]

105. Nope ... Not at all. And you know that. I have said it, repeatedly. ...

Or are you saying that all/many/most Sanders' supporters are racists?

I'm not saying that either ... I have said, repeatedly. THERE ARE SOME BERNIE SUPPORTERS THAT HAVE, AND DO, POST RACIST/SEXIST SHIT TO DU. And, as ugly an accusation, and horrifying, as that might be ... it happens ... and is often rec'd or met with silence by other Bernie supporters.

Is that clear enough? AND, BTW ... My calling that shit out isn't about scoring political points ... check my account, it has nothing to do with this, or any other election ... it has everything to do with calling out racism/sexism when I see it ... and, refusing to be brow beaten by those that NEVER seem to see liberal racism.

And I am going to try and tone down the rhetoric because I want Democrats to win this election. I am going to "keep my eye on the prize" to quote an old spiritual.

My prize goes beyond electoral politics.

[AlbertCat]

150. And you know that.

I don't.

So what the hell ARE you yammering on about then?

[1StrongBlackMan]

162. Okay ... That has to be the absolute stupidest response I have seen in weeks ...

and that is saying something.

[AlbertCat]

165. That has to be the absolute stupidest response I have seen in weeks

I'm sure it's not.

And I still don't know what you are yammering about if it's not "Don't vote for Sanders because his supporters are racists."

Which has to be the absolute stupidest response I have seen in weeks.

[Jenny_92808]

143. I don't understand your point

I thought it was beautiful and pointed out the wrong that was done. Edit: On second thought, you probably understand this better than I do. Enough is enough.

[Jenny_92808]

140. Beautiful!!!

Thank you for posting this.

[uponit7771]

30. +1, They're going to ask for a link... Like they usually do

[LexVegas]

35. Truth. nt

[PeaceNikki]

45. It's pretty fucked up that the demand is to stop calling out racism and sexism rather than

demanding that people stop being racists and sexists.

[Odin2005]

54. Nobody is demanding that people should not call out racists and sexists.

I'm telling people not to call Sanders supporters in general racist and sexist because of some idiots on the internet.

[PeaceNikki]

70. You keep dancing around the truth. They are racists and sexists.

You've called them assholes and now idiots. But a very real very vocal minority of Sanders' supporters on the internet are also racists and sexists. And they need to STFU, not the people who are bringing attention to them. THEY are hurting Sanders, not the people who are victims of and/or appalled by their behavior.

[Odin2005]

89. They ARE being told to STFU.

[PeaceNikki]

91. Oh, I missed the thread where you told them to STFU.

And only see this one where you're telling people talking about them to STFU.

Got a link?

[Odin2005]

101. I haven't run into such a post since I came back a couple weeks ago.

I was referring more to on the Internet more generally and in real life.

[1StrongBlackMan]

145. Okay ... That explains why you posted the OP to DU ...

Because you wanted to communicate your message to "the internet" and people in real life.

[Empowerer]

144. They are? With very few - and I mean VERY few - exceptions, the racist and sexist remarks not

only go unchallenged, but they are often cheered on and those of us who question them are almost always criticized by their fellow Sanders wingmen . . .

It's really a disgrace to see so-called liberals behave this way. And, deny as some people may, it DOES have a damaging effect on efforts to attract minorities to Sanders. I can't imagine any black person who is trying to figure out whether to support Sanders or Clinton not being turned off by this. And I will bet you that has been a deal breaker for who-knows-how-many African Americans - who would want to be associated with people who say - or people who condone and defend - the things that some of these people say to and about us.

[1StrongBlackMan]

147. A certain Dr.Martin Luther King, Jr., quote comes to mind, here. eom

[BlueMTexpat]

94. +1! eom

[uponit7771]

129. +1

[1StrongBlackMan]

78. Then, say that ... along with condemning those idiots for their racist/sexist shit ...

what you said was "Let's pretend it's not happening (and I will generously add) because it is only a few doing it."

[Odin2005]

84. Thanks for proving my point.

You are accusing most Sanders supporters of being bigots, which is false.

[1StrongBlackMan]

148. LOL ... Twilight - fucking - Zone ...

How did you get that from what I wrote?

[uponit7771]

127. I don't agree with this at all, call it out and get slammed here on DU... Go to the AA forum and

... ask if this is their experience.

Its eye opening

[1StrongBlackMan]

153. No, please don't invite him/her to the AA Group. There are enough willingfully ignorant ...

folks poking they heads in to pretend what is, isn't.

[1StrongBlackMan]

66. You noticed that, Huh? ...

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It has long been a joke in the AA Group that it is far worse to call out a white liberal for the racist shit they may say or do; than, for being a white liberal and saying or doing racist shit.

The latter will garner sympathy and hand holding, the former will get you banned (timed-out).

[PeaceNikki]

83. I see that happening, too.

I have definitely had my share of "mansplainers" in my life and recognize the "whitesplainers" when I see 'em.

Like I said, it's fucked up.

[Gothmog]

151. Another great post

[workinclasszero]

72. Exactly

Thanks for pointing that out

[Number23]

99. NAILED it.

[uponit7771]

126. +1

[TeddyR]

68. What racist shit

quotes please showing what is racist

[PeaceNikki]

73. I linked to three articles in the thread with a TON of examples.

Do your own homework.

[1StrongBlackMan]

88. Right on cue! eom.

[uponit7771]

135. lol!! he said this is what the response would be

[GoneFishin]

7. Whatever it takes to "win". They've got nothing, so they make shit up.

[Eko]

92. Good job.

I'm sure stereotyping Clinton supporters will somehow stop them from stereotyping Sanders supporters.

[plus5mace]

10. Anything to win.

In 2008 Hillary claimed Obama couldn't win SC because black people love the Clintons. After that proved incorrect she claimed that Obama couldn't win white voters. No matter what year it is, if a Clinton is running they are trying to split the Party along racial lines.

[hifiguy]

13. I'm old enough to have seen this kind of crap before.

I grew up with Richard Nixon as the dominant figure in national politics, at least after RFK was killed.

[Odin2005]

17. I'm only 29, but she seems very much like Nixon, to me.

And that scares me. All she cares about is power.

[hifiguy]

22. You are right, and the similarities

would run to a substantial number of pages. The echoes are unmistakeable - the arrogance, the sense of entitlement, the anything-goes mentality, the hawkishness, the alignment with Big Bu$ine$$. History, as Twain said, may not repeat, but it does rhyme.

[kath]

180. You forgot the lengthy Enemies List that Hillary and Bill keep.

[Ken Burch]

32. I remember that, too.

Even though he was forced to resign, Nixon essentially won:

His argument that the president has to be an arrogant, secretive paranoiac has carried the day in this country since 1968.

[PeaceNikki]

16. Some are. The campaign is trying to address it.

http://mashable.com/2016/01/29/bernie-sanders-berniebros/#rcEH6k349mq4

[AZ Progressive]

20. Hillary supporters are like Hillary herself. They are authoritarians and they play dirty

[Fumesucker]

24. Explain the ones who were over the top anti Hillary in 2008 and OTT pro Hillary in 2016?

Everything from Hillary is too stupid to be President to she's a Rovian manipulator and now they love her.

[Ken Burch]

28. What matters is, the Beltway wants her...and that makes anything permissible and defensible.

To reverse an old Fidel Castro slogan:

"With the counter-revolution, everything. Against the counter-revolution, NOTHING!"

[hifiguy]

33. They joined a fanclub. They're Beliebers

Jayzus, that was a hell of a band that never got their true due.

[Cary]

77. Ah, the old two wrongs make a right red herring

Your favorite, right?

[Fumesucker]

132. Has nothing to do with wrong or right and everything to do with consistency

I could understand someone mildly supportive or mildly opposed switching sides if they found a better candidate but the cases I've seen have employed extreme rhetoric in both directions.

Makes me think they are more about extreme rhetoric than actual policies or even candidates.

[Bluenorthwest]

171. God do I agree. I spent some time reviewing 2008 threads today and some of these people

are obviously just picking up a candidate to use as a reason to hurl invective. Astonishing, she was a liar, she was stupid, racist, Bill was super racist. Many of them attacked her for being Big Money and the establishment. It's crazy behavior. It is seriously not rational.

[pa28]

21. They've already alienated many on the left beyond hope of recovery. Why stop now?

[hifiguy]

23. They obviously have never heard of Molly Ivins' First Rule of Holes:

When you find yourself in one, stop digging.

[Fumesucker]

26. Drama addiction

People who loathed Hillary in 2008 now love her in 2016, there's really no reason for them to be so damn dramatic about it except they love the drama.

[Ken Burch]

25. Some Sanders supporters made mistakes in tone...but the vast majority have learned.

And it was never racism or indifference to racism to defend our candidate from the false accusation that he didn't care about racism.

[Bobbie Jo]

47. "indifference" would be a step up

Dismissivness in the extreme has been the pattern.

THIS needs to stop.

[Trajan]

51. THIS is going to stop

Done!

[Ken Burch]

53. Sanders supporters don't dismiss the need to fight racism.

It's just that we realize that no permanent victories can be won in the anti-racist struggle without the economy being changed. It's not possible to have a non-bigoted capitalism. Everything we've all been through since the Sixties has shown us that. MLK's open calls for democratic socialism after 1966 were a recognition of that(and nobody can ever argue that MLK ever put the fight against racism on the backburner).

We all care that black kids are getting murdered by the police. And unlike HRC supporters, we don't have to rationalize backing a candidate who pushed the Dems to be "law and order" (a phrase that never meant anything but "kill the n_____s&quot in the Eighties and Nineties).

[Odin2005]

58. Calling us "dismissive" is something bordering on slander.

[Bobbie Jo]

76. Sue me.

[thereismore]

82. That attitude right there. nt

[Bobbie Jo]

86. I was speaking to the "attitude."

Some didn't like it. Can't say I blame them, it's damn ugly.

Dismissive in the extreme.

See for yourself:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1129890

[AlbertCat]

157. See for yourself:

Every one of those links is to a post about the BLM ambushes on Sanders.... which were unnecessary and uncalled for. They supported an untrue GOP meme started back in June. I can't believe you are still falling for it.

They are not dismissive of BLM but of the lousy tactic of ambushing with support of a Right Wing meme.

Disagreeing with gorilla tactics (that even BLM didn't like or condone) is not being racist. Neither is disagreeing with you.

[Bobbie Jo]

167. Case in point

Read the responses carefully, beyond the OP's. They're incredibly nasty and dismissive. The dismissive attitude continues to permeate the discussion.

But please, don't take my word for it, spend some time with some of our own AA DU'ers. Ask them what they think instead of dismissing their concerns as "race baiting, race nagging, or playing the race card." These dismissive phrases get thrown around here on a daily basis, and it hasn't gone unnoticed.

[1StrongBlackMan]

188. LOL ... Did you miss this ...

Every one of those links is to a post about the BLM ambushes on Sanders.... which were unnecessary and uncalled for...

No need to go to the comments to fact the dismiss case in point.

[uponit7771]

124. Naw... naw... pretty damn dismissive... pathologically so

[uponit7771]

123. Amen an amen!!! Dismissive starting with BLM until the optics weren't favorable

[1StrongBlackMan]

155. How many times do you need to be told that NO ONE has said that ...

Bernie didn't care about racism?

What HAS been said is Bernie prioritizes economic justice higher than social justice.

Those are two different statements.

[Ken Burch]

161. Bernie doesn't put economic justice before social justice. He never has.

You have never offered one bit of proof that he ever said that the fight against racism was less important than the fight against economic injustice. Not once.

Bernie never said or believed that fighting racism should take a back seat to fighting against corporate power. Never once.

And he never called for anti-racist activists to put fighting economic justice before the fight against racism. Never once.

What do you want him to do? What do you want him to say?

"we won't do anything about economic justice until all institutional racism has vanished"?

And what good would it do if he DID say that?

It's not as if saying that would do anything at all to make institutional racism go away.

It isn't possible to MAKE institutional racism vanish without significantly changing the economic system.

It can be pushed back slightly(as in the Sixties)but not significantly weakened(which is why MLK openly embraced economic justice in the last two years...NOT as an abandonment of the anti-racist fight, but as a rededication to that fight, as recognition that the 'free market" feeds on hate and distrust between people, as a recognition that new tactics were needed in the continued struggle).

The capitalist system itself depends on racism. Capitalism won't ALLOW us to become a society in which institutional bigotry ceases to exist, because it needs the divisions caused by institutional racism to stay in power.

But Bernie cares just as much about fighting racism and bigotry as you do.

It's as personal for him as it is for you.

If you've had members of your family die in Nazi death camps, you are never going to be soft on fighting any form of hate.

If you don't want to support Bernie, fine. that's your call. I respect your right to support whoever you support. But don't say things about a person that you know perfectly well aren't true.

You are a better person than that.

[1StrongBlackMan]

168. Okay ... But know ... you not accepting the proof offered ...

and arguing the same thing over and over again is not the same thing as no proof being offered.

It just means, unsurprisingly, that you disagree with what has been offered.

[Ken Burch]

172. You never offered any proof.

The fact that Bernie talked mainly about economic justice at the start of the campaign was that that nobody else in the race was talking about it. It was what made his candidacy distinctive. It never meant he saw fighting against institutional racism as LESS IMPORTANT than fighting against economic injustice.

His miscalculation was in assuming that his lifetime record(not just the Sixties part that you continue to sneer at in your tagline for no good reason, since Bernie never claimed he was MLK's equal in the freedom struggle) of anti-racist activism spoke for itself.

Compared to HRC founding the DLC, which was essentially a white supremacist organization(that's the only way you can describe the DLC's insistence that Democrats leave unchallenged the right-wing equation of blackness with criminality, out-of-wedlock parenting, and welfare fraud), how can you feel greater outrage over what was and wasn't in a stump speech?

I respect your right to support whoever you support, but you don't need to accuse Bernie of a failing he doesn't have to do that.

[mythology]

27. I don't think Sanders or his supporters are racist or sexist

I think his campaign has had trouble reaching the minority vote or the votes of women, but that's more a matter of message or approach.

Sanders has long stood up for both groups. That said, he really does need to change his low polling with minorities if he wants to make a run at winning the nomination.

But as for women, he did really well with younger women in Iowa. It's a pretty good sign that he is able to connect with at least a subset of women.

[uponit7771]

125. ********DING DING DING********

[PeaceNikki]

36. They aren't unique to the Sanders campaign, but it's a real problem.

And they are addressing it. Acting like it isn't a problem is naive and stupid. Luckily the Sanders team knows this better than you do.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/the-bernie-bros#.jg5PWoDO16

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-35422316


Live by the Redditors, die by the Redditors.

[Odin2005]

48. I'm not saying there are not asshole Bernie supporters.

I think it is the unfortunate reality of being a left-populist anti-establishment candidate that Bernie going to attract some legitimately angry working class white men pissed off at the current corporate stranglehold on the country but also have problematic attitudes towards women and racial minorities due to unconscious prejudices caused by male and white privilage. Hillary, being the Establishment candidate, does not have the same "angry white male populist" problem.

[PeaceNikki]

52. Not just assholes. Racist, sexist assholes. A very vocal minority.

One that needs to be acknowledged and addressed. Like Sen. Sanders' campaign is doing. I am not sure why you had to issue an edict that DU not discuss it.

[Ken Burch]

56. But you'd have to admit that the words of such people don't justify opposing Bernie as a candidate

or tarring him as a candidate or person with false accusations of weakness on anti-oppression issues.

[PeaceNikki]

60. People will support or oppose candidates for a lot of real or stupid reasons.

I think it's important that the campaign try hard to stop it, which it seems they are doing. These mobs really can and do cause people to turn away from their candidate - whether that's logical or reasonable matters not. What matters is they can and do hurt him. And they're working on it. I think it's helpful for other supporters to stand up and acknowledge it exists and it's shameful and wrong rather than try to tell people to just STFU about it.

[Ken Burch]

63. The campaign is stopping it...we get it...so it's time to move on...

Bernie is as anti-oppression as anybody.

[PeaceNikki]

64. They're trying. They can't stop it. It's the internet.

We can discuss it like adults.

[uponit7771]

122. ... and some of the shit shows up right here on DU!!!

[MrMickeysMom]

38. Oh, don't pay them no never-mind, Odin...

They're just flinging it... I haven't had any stick to me YET!

[Dragonfli]

41. They can't compete on issues, so all they have are smears, lies, and people like David Brock

and other professional right wing liars to produce a dirty right wing style campaign.

At least he will be prepared for the way Republicans campaign, after all, she is giving him the crash course in how to face the Rove playbook.

Remember, Rove was the master at turning a candidates positive qualities, such as Sanders' good record on the above issues and reversing the reality portraying him as the opposite via lies and swift-boat tactics. He has been a civil rights and equality advocate his entire life, so just as Rove would, that is where she is attacking.

It is no wonder she has been so reliant on David Brock these days. he helps them chart these right wing waters while she pretends to be the opposite of what she really is, a Right wing politician flip-flopping into a rhetorical progressive, often using Sanders rhetoric to do it.

Surrogates, astrotrurf web operatives and dark money smear ads are where her strengths lie in this primary. I remember she tried the same crap on Obama and even threw in racist dog whistles and crowed about how hard working the white voters were - now trying to portray herself as activist for POC (one that once spoke of superpredators and used coded welfare queen reform advocacy) - total hypocrisy. Not to mention her many, many proud announcements of how she opposed marriage equality to anyone who would listen then while now pretending to be a lifelong champion of LGBT.

It is so obvious and cynical that it is no wonder she has something like a 53% unfavorability rating, a rating I might add that has never won a general election in this country, not once. I guess as long as her sponsors don't have to deal with Sanders fighting the 1% with a Republican in office if her tricks do work in he primary, the future checks will still be forthcoming and her ever increasing personal wealth assured after she is defeated in the GE.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

57. Meh, let em do whatever they want.

It'll help them sleep at night if they feel they can blame Clinton's GE loss on 'those damn racist and sexist pretend Democrats'.

[JPnoodleman]

61. Ill tides and dark clouds lurk about, nobody of either camp trusts each others. /nt

[olddots]

65. I like the human race

and I like sex. EXCUSE MEEEEEEEE !

[LiberalArkie]

71. I usually go with "it takes one to know one"

[Fumesucker]

74. This Berniebro disagrees, the name calling shows they have nothing else and it's self destructive

So I hope they keep right on going, step up the attacks even.

[Warren DeMontague]

185. Because obviously, Hillary cannot run on the issues.

[LittleBlue]

79. The Clintons called Obama a bag boy

Her supporters reflect the character of their candidate. They knowingly support a candidate who went full-on racist against Obama.

I expect nothing from them except more race and gender baiting, since she has no substantive appeal or excitement.

[HassleCat]

80. Ignore it

The Democratic Party cannot afford to get caught up in racial politics. We need to turn a deaf ear to all this nonsense.

[litlbilly]

85. They are on the edge of the cliff right now and are simply losing it. Hope they have parachutes.

[bigwillq]

90. Am I the only one that doesn't care

How supporters of any candidate act? Or what supporters of one candidate think about supporters of another candidate?

They have no influence on how I vote.

They can think what they want.

[zentrum]

93. Funny, 'cuz

..I'm a woman in a mixed race family and we all support Bernie. So I guess we don't care about race and gender equality.

[Eko]

98. Arent you stereotyping them

while you call them out for stereotyping Sanders supporters?

[MisterP]

102. remember that the *huge* surge in militia violence came after NAFTA, and reflected Perot's

criticisms of the new neoliberal orthodoxy: the Dems didn't appeal to the RW populists, nor should they, but they tossed anyone making under $40K into the rubbish and went off looking for smart, soft-hands work like IT, entertainment, and Wall Street

there's even the positive glee among the Lena Dunham types that the White middle class's dying--that it's coming to them after decades of subsidizing (that is a SJW, ironically: doubly ironically they're all lilywhite suburban sophomores who'd lecture a hypothetical gay Brazilian campesino activist crippled by the ranchers on his cis privilege): this type gets nothing done and is proud of it, a photonegative of the political sadist or the Asshole Uncle screaming at one thing over hate radio even though yesterday's declaration was the opposite

it also reduces voters, boils them down to pushable buttons: she'll drink White tears for one audience and go Rahm for another, and that definitely won't help civil society!

[jalan48]

106. It's easier than actually arguing the issues. Republicans do it all the time.

[John Poet]

108. BUT-- I'm a Social Justice Warrior AND a Working Class White Man!

Yeah, the "sexist-racist" crap is tiring.

[Feeling the Bern]

109. Bernie dared to challenge the throne, so it's time to lob as much shit at him

IF you tell a lie long enough, loud enough to enough people, the lie becomes the truth.

IF Bernie just stayed in Congress and did his work there, Hillbots wouldn't be dragging his name through the mud.

Sanders/O'Malley 2016! The Dream ticket! with:

Warren as Sec of Labor
Reich as Sec. of Treasury
Gore as Sec. of Interior
Richardson Sec of State
Clack as Sec. of Defense
Kucinich as Sec. of HUD

This is one of the most important elections ever! And Bernie is right person, right time!

[Odin2005]

110. That is a great cabinet!

[Feeling the Bern]

113. But the problem is, I can't complete the cabinet

I don't know who do include as:

Atty General
Surgeon General
Sec. of Education
Sec. of HHS
Sec. of VA Affairs
Sec. of Agriculture
Sec. of Transportation
Sec. of Homeland Security

EPA Chief
Chief of State

I am racking my brain over this.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

131. Well, you could always axe the DHS entirely.

We never really needed them in the first place. We did fine before them, as long as the admin wasn't just ignoring intel they didn't like.

[Feeling the Bern]

174. Agreed, along with the ONDCP.

[kath]

181. YES!

Past time for them to go since, as you said, we never really needed them in the first place.

Even the name of that organization creeps me out.

[mmonk]

115. My 25 y.o. son has already told me he is leaving the party

as soon as the primaries are over. I'm thinking about joining him since unaffiliated voters in my state can still participate in party primaries. I don't understand how people think you can tell them to go to hell and still expect that person to stand with them. Everything I have just said was expressed without emotion and on just the facts of the situation .

[billhicks76]

139. I Dont Know One Person Who Supports Hillary

It's one thing to always lie or try to deceive sheep by falsely labeling herself a Progressive (biggest joke of the season) but to call actual Progressives racist or sexist just shows how stupid her campaigners are. Independents are already turned off to her and will not vote for her but labeling Bernie supporters racist will make many of them stay home on Election Day especially the non-activist types who don't give a crap about being banned from websites for not towing the party line. Most of these voters are not committed to the political process and it doesn't matter when leaders say they better support the nominee no matter who it is. This is called reality whether we like it or not. People will stay home. Maybe no one here but we are a sliver of a sliver of the electorate. And by the way Clinton's policies are the most racist in her support of the drug war.

[humbled_opinion]

141. In this regard Hillary supporters are

Honey Badgers....

[Avalux]

159. Let me tell you about Sanders supporters here in Texas.

I phone banked tonight with a group that was mostly women, mostly hispanic. I was the only white woman in the crowd.

Yeah, we're racist and sexist all right.

[Zorra]

178. Too late. Thinking Democrats of all races, genders, and sexual orientations will never

get over their contempt for the center right's complete lack of integrity

They've pushed much of the Democratic party intelligentsia, who were already fed up with center right control of our party, over the edge.

Democratic party membership is going to substantially decline in the next year because of their Fox News induced hatred for all things left of right center.

[seaglass]

191. Ms. "race nagging" herself speaks of integrity?

Why don't you show some and either apologize for your comment or scurry off with your tail between your legs?

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/1251467790#post50

Star Member Zorra (25,427 posts)
3. I've already resigned myself to a complete republican takeover of the government in

2016.

All these threats and the race nagging has truly driven me to not give a shit anymore.

I'll vote for bernie in the primary and then maybe join the Green party if he doesn't win.

[Lorien]

183. Reality check:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-feminism/

[Odin2005]

190. That article says what I have been wanting to say for a while, but...

...I've been too afraid to say it because I know it would bring down angry denunciations against me.''
You should post this in Good Reads.

[Warren DeMontague]

184. Good luck with that.

[FlatBaroque]

193. Their toolkit has about three tools.

and this is one of them.

[MadDAsHell]

198. It's never going away. Our side of the political spectrum created this when we decided...

...that calling someone a racist, sexist, bigot, etc. was useful as a political tool to silence our opponents, whether it was the truth or not.

This circus world where those words have become absolutely meaningless, is of our own making. Today's young people don't even know what racism or sexism is, because in their lifetime they've heard that EVERYTHING is racist, sexist, etc.

The chickens are home to roost; unfortunately I saw this coming years ago and we have no one to blame but ourselves that our party eats our own.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

199. No. Clinton supporters aren't pushing anything. I AM independently asserting that Bernie Sanders

has a race problem.

As long as he emphasizes class over race, he'll have a problem.

He'll continue to have this problem and it will continue to hurt him as the Democratic electorate gets more diverse as we go along in these primaries.

[Lorien]

201. That and threats are all she has

she can't possibly run on her record and win:

Hillary wants to attack Iran: http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484

Hillary pushed Fracking on the rest of the planet: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

Hillary and childhood poverty: http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/

What Hillary calls "feminism" : https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-feminism/

Hillary takes millions in campaign cash from her "enemies": http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/10/14/hillary-takes-millions-in-campaign-cash-from-enemies

Bernie has a MUCH better record of accomplishments as Senator than Hillary does: https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fact-bernie-sanders-got-more-done-in-the-senate-than-hillary-clinton/

When you ask me to vote for Hillary: https://medium.com/@Lookingforrobyn/when-you-ask-me-to-vote-for-hillary-174becdb5ccc#.2ixs3cg5o

Hillary's legacy of pushing the party to the right: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right

Chomsky: Democrats are now moderate Republicans: http://trofire.com/2015/09/23/noam-chomsky-dems-are-now-moderate-repugs-republicans-are-now-off-the-spectrum-of-reality/

[Gothmog]

202. Bernie Sanders And Hillary Clinton Are Actually Fighting About Barack Obama

No one is calling Sanders a racist but there are valid reasons why some voters are not accepting Sanders as a good candidate. One reason may be the vast difference in how Sanders supporters and Sanders view President Obama and how other Democrats view President Obama. I admit that I am impressed with the amount accomplished by President Obama in face of the stiff GOP opposition to every one of his proposals and I personally believe that President Obama has been a great President. It seems that this view colors who I am supporting in the primary http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-sanders-obama_us_56aa378de4b05e4e3703753a?utm_hp_ref=politics

But lurking behind this argument about the future is a dispute that's really about the past. It’s a debate over what Obama accomplished in office -- in particular, how significant those accomplishments really are. And it's been simmering on the left for most of the last seven years.

On one side of this divide are activists and intellectuals who are ambivalent, disappointed or flat-out frustrated with what Obama has gotten done. They acknowledge what they consider modest achievements -- like helping some of the uninsured and preventing the Great Recession from becoming another Great Depression. But they are convinced that the president could have accomplished much more if only he’d fought harder for his agenda and been less quick to compromise.

They dwell on the opportunities missed, like the lack of a public option in health care reform or the failure to break up the big banks. They want those things now -- and more. In Sanders, they are hearing a candidate who thinks the same way.

On the other side are partisans and thinkers who consider Obama's achievements substantial, even historic. They acknowledge that his victories were partial and his legislation flawed. This group recognizes that there are still millions of people struggling to find good jobs or pay their medical bills, and that the planet is still on a path to catastrophically high temperatures. But they see in the last seven years major advances in the liberal crusade to bolster economic security for the poor and middle class. They think the progress on climate change is real, and likely to beget more in the future.

It seems that many of the Sanders supporters hold a different view of President Obama which is also a leading reason why Sanders is not exciting African American voters. Again, it may be difficult for Sanders to appeal to African American voters when one of the premises of his campaign is that Sanders does not think that President Obama is a progressive or a good POTUS.

Again, I am not ashamed to admit that I like President Obama and think that he has accomplished a great deal which is why I do not mind Hillary Clinton promising to continue President Obama's legacy. I do not believe that Sanders is a racist but I also believe that there are valid reasons why many non-African American democrats (myself included) and many African American Democrats are not supporting Sanders.

[kath]

205. Check out this article:

Hillary Clinton's Internet Supporters Desperately Want This Campaign to be about Sexism
http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/02/hillary-clintons-internet-supporters-desperately-w.html

[bettyellen]

206. Or, y'all need to stop tripping. Skinner is under your bus with Planned Parenthood and

Anderson Cooper and Rachel Maddow for fucks sake. Stop it.