2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFuck it! I don't give a shit about this election anymore. We're all enemies. We're not a party.
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The hatred I see here every day is literally making me sick and changing my personality and I can't believe we're all supposed to be on the same side.
Everybody hates everybody else and I'm sick of it. Raw. Unabashed. Hatred.
And every single one of you loved Bernie when he voted and caucused with Dems and when he did that filibuster. Now you talk like hes a piece shit and I can't take the hypocrisy anymore! Stab a good man in the back??? Bullshit!
Y'all have at it. I don't care any more.
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Journeyman
(15,026 posts)Take a walk, read a good book, talk to people. You'll see, the people here are but phantasms compared to the real people you can surround yourself with in your daily life.
jonno99
(2,620 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Treat DU as you would college - you get out of it what you want, contribute if you wish, enjoy light banter. But the few hundred people who participate here are NOT - on balance - important in real life on a collective basis as family or friends are, so if the rancor that goes on here bothers you, turn it off. Exercise. Take a nap. Watch a good old movie. Ask a friend out for coffee or a beer.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)But we have to keep in mind that most real life supporters of candidates are a lot more reasonable than the people we find online. There are exceptions of course and people do get really, really attached to their candidates of choice.
We need to work at being better people and speaking more positively. There will always be trolls and people that post garbage arguments. Some trolls THINK they are seriously working for their candidate but are not. Some trolls are just looking to get an easy thrill off of causing chaos.
But most people are fairly reasonable. Message boards always attract extreme personalities. Try to step back. If you feel you have to do some activism call your local bernie campaign office or representative and do some good positive volunteer work.
We need your passion, we need your enthusiasm, we need your positivity, and most of all we just need you!
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Most people who know me in 3D think I'm a really nice guy, which I'd like to think I am. 
I suspect the same is true for most of the people here.
artislife
(9,497 posts)I am the kind of person who will pick you up at the airport, which I am doing tonight at 11pm and take you all the way home and then go to my place afterwards. I am the one who the widow calls at 3 in the morning because they are worried we threw something out that was important...We didn't.
I care about this planet. I don't have children or nieces or nephews to care about it for. I just care that the generation in school is probably going to have a very scary future on this planet if we don't do something right now.
I am scared about this. And I just find it very frustrating that people are not scared for this upcoming generation except for things that don't really matter in the big picture.
We have done soo soo much damage in the last 100 years that almost guarantees that the next hundred years we will not be stressing whether we have the latest iPhone.
Honestly, I think Bernie and Martin, too actually get it. But I don't see it in any of the other candidates at all.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I don't hate you.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Looking at this board from the outside, I don't see how anyone would even for a split-second consider joining us or the Democratic Party.
It's pure, raw hatred for each other and it's making me sick to my stomach to know I have thus far aligned myself with this here.
I'm sick of the win at all costs, even to the point of stabbing a good man, that HAS HAD OUR FUCKING BACKS FOREVER! IN THE BACK and treating him like a piece of shit!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I truly hope that changes as hate is extremely debilitating.
Along with some of the hate here, I am also shown respect and kindness by supporters of all candidates, and by some who I have no clue who they are supporting.
When DU becomes this powerful in ones life, they should take a little break. That isn't all that bad of a thing. Sometimes it's very difficult not to take it personally. After all, we are talking about the direction of the country.
I have been called so many very nasty names. I still have respect for so many on this board.
TheBlackAdder
(28,169 posts).
The have lost identity with themselves or rely on the identity of a candidate to socialize.
There are about 10 people on each side who just incessantly post 24x7 bile, as they stress out.
Some do admit to working on a campaign, while their actions just chase people from their candidate.
Like a rat on a wheel, they run in fervor, hoping their voice will make a difference when it just alienates them.
They are seeing their candidate lose, as a reflection on their own selves, and become more crazed.
Like what others say, step away for a bit and reground yourself. Another two months and things will normalize.
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randys1
(16,286 posts)wanting to vote for a Democrat?
Good to know you finally see what I have been saying for a very long time now.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)I'm living in a different county than I was for the 2014 mids and so I went down a registered in my new county just this morning so I'd be able to participate in the March 1 primary here in Texas.
Not sure I even care to bother now after getting on here and seeing the putrage and hatred flowing, as usual. I won't vote for a rethug, but who wants to support a bunch of haters?
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)The Bernie hate is deep but it's because he scares them. Take a break and come back later. We got this.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)anybody. There are a couple of bad Hillary eggs, but most of us are nice and accepting by nature would support Bernie wholly if he won the primary. You can take all that to the bank.
Chisholm Trail you've really lost balance. If you're not gone already, get the hell out of here for your own wellbeing and don't come back until it sounds like FUN. If you close the computer this evening, maybe you'll even be able to enjoy watching the democratic process play out in Iowa on Monday.
BTW, do you know the Democratic Socialists of America have a forum? Members have to be approved, so hopefully it is kept at least reasonably civilized, and needless to say they're very big supporters of Bernie Sanders and his platform.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I could never let a message board "change my personality", that's some crazy talk.
Take a deep breath.
DU is not worth stressing out over.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...to be taken seriously, then wtf are we doing here? What are you doing here?
This place is a cess pool of hatred and calls itself liberal and Democratic. Bullshit!
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)And to read articles; and to discuss and debate; and to be silly; and to get educated; and to say hello to some old friends; and to pass time.
ErisDiscordia
(443 posts)I've been lurking for quite a while, and didn't want to blurt anything, but I cannot fault your observations and responses.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Welcome to DU! 
ErisDiscordia
(443 posts)
draa
(975 posts)They come to read the stories and articles that people post. I try to reach those people instead of attempting to convert anyone in these forums. Our minds are usually set but there's people who lurk that haven't made up their minds. It's best to focus on reaching them instead.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Do yourself a favor and stay away from DU for the weekend.
It gets better when you take a break.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I had been here for ten years before I ever saw what you're talking about. I was just as upset as you. But there are so many bright people on our side. That's the place to focus.
I've never had as much fun as I'm having right now. I don't want it to end.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)and DO use the ignore option. There was a particularly nasty thread the other day and I added five more to my ignore list because of their vile posts. DU is much more pleasant when you don't have to deal with the haters.
thesquanderer
(11,972 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)It's true. This place wouldn't exist but for haters. The first 8 years were easy since we rallied around our hatred of BushCo and Rs. Do you think that there's a cure for hater hate? There is no cure. We just move on to the next thing to hate. We hate Democratic pols and we hate one another.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I don't even dislike anyone. Sure, there's folks who I disagree with, and some who I find annoying but, SO BE IT. It's just a message board. I think too many folks take this place way too seriously.
I could never let a message board filled with people I don't know stress me out.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)There are people here who don't want others to get better health care!
They don't want kids to get an education after high school unless they pay big bucks.
The selfishness is real ugly and bodes ill for the future of the country.
lapfog_1
(29,194 posts)I've stayed out the primary fight almost entirely.
I posted one time in the Bernie room and was immediately attacked for my neutrality.
To be honest, I now lean toward Bernie. However, no matter who wins the primary, I support the Democratic nominee.
Renew Deal
(81,847 posts)And it's important to not take anything too seriously. There has been some extremely hateful stuff said by a few people here about Hillary and her supporters. Somehow I manage to forget most of it because it's meaningless in the big picture.
Sometimes taking a break makes things a bit easier to deal with. But never take it all too seriously, remember that Bernie is not infallible, and take a break if things get too crazy.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,088 posts)Some are so busy blanketing the board with "loud" proclamations, that wading through posts to actual information has become depressing.
Z_California
(650 posts)There are plenty of posters here who will push back on the dishonesty and dirty politics.
I've ignored most of the posters who are likely upsetting you and I'm glad I did. My spirits are much higher now.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)As true today as when Benjamin Franklin said it.
Uncle Joe
(58,300 posts)Peace to you, ChisolmTrailDem.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)Ahem, I mean that is very tranquil and relaxing.
polly7
(20,582 posts)
It really was.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)I'm going to send it on to all my friends
Thank you so very much
randome
(34,845 posts)...and then quickly descend into taking one side over another.
Interesting.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Many people who support political candidates get too heavily invested. They fall in love, literally or figuratively, with the candidate. This is particularly true in presidential elections. If you look at the patterns, you will see a vast quantity of a particular type of post coming from few individuals. The vaguest rumor, the most offhand comment, some obscure third-hand remark, is all it takes to inspire a post about "Absolute PROOF that xxxx is a corrupt, racist, child molesting reptile..." or whatever.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)because you're right, when you do, which is why I don't, they can have a very bad effect on you. Since there are so many great people around, why waste time on the haters?
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Unless you are the bully who tormented me in High School.
Him I hate.
I'd bet he is out of prison by now.
still_one
(92,061 posts)book. I won't produce the diatribes here because you are being sincere.
However, I will say there are Clinton supporters who feel the same way you do, and are sick of all the sniping going on.
Staph
(6,251 posts)And Democratic Underground is getting on my last nerve. I used to spend an hour or more each day, reading posts and keeping up on the political and general news of the day, and occasionally adding a comment. DU was my go-to source for up-to-the-minute news.
But the vitriol, the out and out nastiness shown by the supporters of both Sanders and Clinton disgusts me. Yes, I'm looking at both camps -- don't go pointing your finger at the other guys. We're Democrats, not Republicans! We believe in diplomacy and negotiation and compromise, not total war, not mutual destruction.
I've nearly quit looking at the Latest Threads and Greatest Threads, and I never go to General Discussion: Primaries. It's like standing between George and Martha in a production of Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf.
You bickering children are driving me away from my once favorite place on the web. I am ashamed of you all.
angrychair
(8,684 posts)I took a couple weeks away from here around the holidays after someone sourced an attack on Sanders from an antisemitic, holocaust denying website and many Clinton supporters defended it. Just within the last week I went back and forth with someone that made an antisemitic-tinged red-baiting accusation as well as derogatory comments about his children and could not understand what they were saying was wrong.
The whole experience has really changed my opinion of many people here on DU and how this site is run.
That we allow antisemitic and red-baiting conspiracies and websites here is disturbing.
All that being said, I have changed how I use this site. I take what I want intellectually and emotionally out of this site and ignore what and who I want. I don't have to read or respond to anyone.
They are who they are and I don't have to feed their monster.
beaglelover
(3,460 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...and they complimented my OP the other day and we had a nice exchange...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1067844
But now, I need a fainting couch, sweetie. WTF???
Hate. That's all we have here. Hate for each other and hate for anything that moves.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)
one_voice
(20,043 posts)I have never spoken ill of any of our candidates. That's the republicans job and they will do it with all their might. And I will fight them tooth and nail. How can I fight them if I've trashed my candidates?
No, I don't trash them. None. Of. Them. Period.
No hate from me. Step back for a while. Go and talk to people that aren't doing that. Get your bearings. In the end we'll all be against the republicans.
If you want I'll drop a shit ton of f-bombs with you. It always makes me feel better. 
AOR
(692 posts)there are only two sides of the line. Those who stand with and do the bidding of the oppressor, the exploiter, the owners, the ruling class, the privateers of the human condition and those who stand with the oppressed, the exploited, the struggling workers, the working class, and defense of the commons of the people as a public entity. Everything else is noise an obfuscation to blur that line. Those doing the bidding of the capitalist privateers over the well-being of the whole of the human condition are indeed the enemy and should be treated as such. There is no room for good will or friendship with those doing the bidding on the wrong side of that line when millions are dying and being destroyed. This is not a game or political entertainment. This is a life or death struggle for millions (present and future).
questionseverything
(9,645 posts)the 1 % control everything and they will not give up that power easily
Metric System
(6,048 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)
Yupy
(154 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)getting mad. Seriously. They're deliberately posting bogus articles and ridiculous polls. Then continue pushing their bullshit lies in post after post after post.
Notice they NEVER talk about HRH awful policies? That's because they can't! Her policies are indefensible. Ignore their threads! If you can't do that with willpower, hit the trash thread tab.
Honestly, their useless, banal bullshit isn't worth getting upset over. If they respond to one of your posts, DON'T READ IT - IGNORE IT! Respond ONLY to Bernie supporters. Try hard not to ever post on one of their Bernie hate threads...you're just keeping it alive if you do. Let their threads die.
Thankfully, most of these operatives will be gone after Bernie wins the nomination.
Hang out in the Bernie forum when GDP is over polluted with trash.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Unfortunately, people fight on the Internet. In fact, I belong to a Facebook photography group where the argument du jour for the past week or so is whether or not people should be required to post camera settings when they post their pictures. And it's gotten heated. Who knew photographers could be such a contentious bunch.
Freelancer
(2,107 posts)It's never been easy.
Think on this -- in not so olden times, when our great grandparents felt this way, they went out and strangled a chicken, or chopped some tree-bones into chunks. They had OUTLETS. Now, all of our outlets are out there for someone to see. Try to take things as other people venting. This is a rough time on everybody.
I'm certainly not immune. Let's just say that, at my house, we've been eating a LOT of chicken lately and the cord wood is nearly gutter high.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)
doc03
(35,300 posts)whoever gets nominated.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)The DU Hillary supporters have websites devoted to viciously attacking Bernie Sanders supporters.
They're coordinated and monstrous.
Take a break. And trash this forum.
They don't deserve your attention.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Using the Republicans as bogeymen to force Democratic voters to accept corporatism and economic conservatism. The Clintons are two of the leaders of this establishment and complicit with Corporate America in pushing America to the right.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)A forum for general discussion of the Democratic presidential primaries.
Disruptive meta-discussion is forbidden.
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