2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAsk that Hillary Clinton release transcripts of her "speeches" to Goldman Sachs, et. al.
According to public disclosures, by giving just 12 speeches to Wall Street banks, private equity firms, and other financial corporations, Clinton made $2,935,000 from 2013 to 2015:
Ameriprise - $225,000
Apollo Mgmt. Holdings - $225,000
Bank of America - $225,000
Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce - $150,000
Deutsche Bank - $485,000
Fidelity Investments - $225,000
Gold Tree Asset Management - $275,000
Goldman Sachs - $675,000
Morgan Stanley - $225,000
UBS - $225,000
So these "speeches" that Hillary gave to Wall St. firms were closed to the public and to the media. Which begs the question: what exactly is Hillary telling these huge banks that is so "valuable" to them? Why can't voters know what Hillary is telling the big banks?
Hillary claims she told them to "Cut it out!". Is that what she REALLY said to them in her speeches? If so, why are the transcripts secret, and why are the banks greasing Hillary's palms with millions of dollars to tell them that?
I think the voting public has a right to know what the fuck Hillary is saying to these "too big to fail, to big to jail" banks.
Don't you?
Broward
(1,976 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)I don't.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... and if she's found to have distorted them, like perhaps she may have distorted the security level of emails on her private server, then that will haunt her later.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)if some rogue 'anonymous' bank exec. decides to spill the beans, who was at one of the speeches.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Response to Skwmom (Reply #3)
LiberalArkie This message was self-deleted by its author.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Who would the petition be TO? Hillary's Campaign? The DNC? To the Banks?
I was trying to visualize who it would be addressed to, and was kind of coming up blank.
But I'm definitely open to ideas. However, I don't know how to get a petition jump started personally,
but i think maybe MoveOn.org might be interested, or one of the other progressive groups that has
endorsed Bernie.
Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)y
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)SamKnause
(13,091 posts)I asked if there were transcripts or videos of her speeches available.
I think the voters definitely have the right to know what she is selling
in those speeches.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)but I did pick this up 1-2 days ago from a prior DU discussion.
SamKnause
(13,091 posts)I was posting about it on Monday.
Feel free to keep bringing it up here and everywhere else.
I think we have the right to know what she is being paid to say.
If she is representing the banks and Wall Street this should be an
automatic disqualification.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)After the fallout from Mitt's 47% remark, people want and deserve to know.
SamKnause
(13,091 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Her answer was "Ha-Ha-Ha" (abruptly pivots left to next person in crowd) "oh hello, how are you?"
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/23/clinton-goldman-sachs-laugh/
Then murmur posted an OP about it this morning
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1051564
I'm loving how our posts reverberated and percolated up right into the lap of The Intercept.
I'm also loving how Bernistas are supporting each other toward our common goal, with insights,
reflections and good humor.
PS - I'm also sending this message to Voice For Peace, who was our co-consirator.
SamKnause
(13,091 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Her answer was "Ha-Ha-Ha" (abruptly pivots left to next person in crowd) "oh hello, how are you?"
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/23/clinton-goldman-sachs-laugh/
Then murmur posted an OP about it this morning
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1051564
I'm loving how our posts reverberated and percolated up right into the lap of The Intercept.
I'm also loving how Bernistas are support each other toward our common goal, with insights,
reflections and good humor.
PS - I'm also sending this message to SamKnause, who was our co-consirator.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)And agsin. Until everybody is wodering why not?
Thanks!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:25 PM - Edit history (1)
1) will "the question" somehow insinuate it's way into Mondays CNN Town Hall?
Sadly, rather doubtful, given who's running the show that night.
2) Hillary people argue that the speeches were innocuous and un-noteworthy ..
something about being "only to clients", and speeches "only about world affairs
to enlighten emerging entrepreneurs". and who knows? Maybe they are. But
I kind of doubt it.
3) The more widely "the question" seeps onto the airwaves, there's always a
possibility of some random waiter or janitor having clandestine footage of one
of these closed-door/no-press events; like happened to Romney.
4) If Hillary phonies-up fake transcripts, while claiming to be ponying-up the
real deal, then #3 happens, that would spell the end of her campaign.
Well, I can dream, can't I?
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Even if there"s no recording... At the very least voters will be wondering.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)After all, she works for them and the speeches were not for us plebeians.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)to wonder about. "hmmm .. yah what was in those speeches?"
think
(11,641 posts)global1
(25,241 posts)don't us plebeians that she is asking to vote for her - have the right to know?
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Kall
(615 posts)We're not worthy of the insights into the field of high finance Hillary Clinton gave the people in high finance.
awake
(3,226 posts)there for getting the taxpayers to help foot some of the cost by reducing the taxes that the Business pay and meaning the rest of us pick up the difference. just another example of "crony capitalism" or "welfare for the rich".
spin
(17,493 posts)Even Donald Trump admits he played that game.
Donald Trump's Surprisingly Honest Lessons About Big Money in Politics
By JILL ORNIT and ZRYAN STRUYK
Aug 11, 2015, 3:09 PM ET
Its no secret that Donald Trump is rich. And it's no surprise that money influences politics.
But few political candidates -- let alone presidential contenders -- speak about it with as much candor and openness as Donald Trump.
Over the course of his campaign so far, Trump has unashamedly made a string of under-the-radar comments about using political donations to call in favors with politicians while they are in office.
I will tell you that our system is broken, Trump said on stage in Thursday's GOP candidates' debate. I gave to many people before this -- before two months ago I was a businessman. I give to everybody. When they call, I give. And you know what, when I need something from them two years later, three years later, I call them. They are there for me. That's a broken system.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-surprisingly-honest-lessons-big-money-politics/story?id=32993736
The system is broken. Bernie realizes it.
think
(11,641 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Of course Hillary will stonewall and ignore any such request, but I couldn't help visualizing
what that might look like.
think
(11,641 posts)Will never happen.
Demanding that she does release transcripts might actually stir voters to think about it and actually even know these events occurred. I'm sure many good people are unaware these speeches for mega bucks even took place.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I'm not sure Bernie himself should raise this, or he'll be accused again of "breaking his word"; but
asking to see a copy of the speeches would, certainly get people thinking and wondering. and would
raise awareness that these "speeches" even took place.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)All we need is one Snowden or a Deep Throat whose patriotism exceeds loyalty to a cut throat corporation and RICH bosses. We could establish a bounty for the first Bank Employee who suddenly feels a conscience....for several $MILLION Dollars, and hands this stuff over.
There MUST be a "disgruntled" employee somewhere.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)to a shredder. there will be no transcripts.
then again, maybe a cloth wiped them off hillary's hard drive...
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)of this will be if someone with a conscience and a videocam does what's required.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)And Romney's 47%.
Maybe some lowly service worker secretly recorded some speech and will provide a public service by releasing it.
One thing is for sure, she did not talk to them about income inequality, criminal justice or women's rights.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Perhaps they'll show her saying "cut it out" and joining the attendees in maniacal laughter.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Sounds fair to me.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)That would certainly tell voters whose side Hillary is on. (And I don't think it is on our side.)
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Like when saying 'Cut it out!' (wink, wink)
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)economy and Wall Street.
Or did she just talk about the importance of giving to charity???
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)The awesomeness of those speeches may be quite dangerous.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)Remeber Romney's video?
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)If the Sanders campaign would make this request, on bejalf of primary voters who DESERVE to know before we vote, the response alone would be helpful.
Uncle Joe
(58,348 posts)Thanks for the thread, 99th_Monkey.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)she wasn't running for anything
thus, it's none of anyone's business what she said in those speeches except for the people who paid to hear her
keep on with that faux outrage at her making money
TryLogic
(1,722 posts)It is about corruption.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)These were speeches to the same pack of greed-heads who crashed our economy, got bailed out, and
have become even bigger than they were in 2007/8 <-- they were 'too big to fail' then, now it's worse.
And now this 'private citizen' is running for the President of the United States of America, saying she's
"going to reign-in Wall St." You don't think voters have a right to know what Hillary said to these banks,
Banks & Financiers who made her an instant multimillionaire for a few speeches?
And you think it's "none of their (voters) business"? I disagree.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)wonderful thing about this country
noamnety
(20,234 posts)Or do you think they might be relevant to deciding what kind of president he might be?
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)comments?
I Would. Not. Doubt. It.
murielm99
(30,733 posts)Let Bernie do so, too. Look like petulant fools.
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)petulant peon folk. pfffft.... look at their silly scamper.
keithbvadu2
(36,762 posts)shireen
(8,333 posts)How many of us make that much money in a year? Or two years? Or a decade? She gets these huge chunks of cash for spending a couple of hours with outrageously wealthy sociopaths who don't appreciate the value of a single dollar.
The astronomical disparity in wealth within our society is sickening. That fee list really drives it home.
harun
(11,348 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)What is the best avenue for us to make that request, do you think?
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)Rahm, is that you ?
Gotta be, what with that obnoxious name calling and all . .
murielm99
(30,733 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I'm not on twitter, so that's really cool that you put it out there on Twitterverse.
I'm a hopeless Luddite, lucky to navigate my MacBook Pro.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Who would the petition be addressed TO? The Hillary Campaign? or?
glinda
(14,807 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I've never done that before. Wouldn't know where to start.
glinda
(14,807 posts)Just keep it simple and say "we the undersigned request the immediate release of the Clinton speeches" etc...etc.....
https://www.change.org/start-a-petition?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=GST_USER_INDIA_SCHT1_start_petition&creative=48113927143&keyword=%2Bstart%20a%20%2Bpetition&matchtype=b&network=g&device=c
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)But no link to it yet. I did request for the link to be posted under this OP, so i don't miss it.
merkins
(399 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Anyone connected to them that can make this suggestion?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)The who and when part is important. Timing is everything.
Duppers
(28,118 posts)Great idea!
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)so I don't miss it, I want to sign.
tinkerbelle
(38 posts)We should be able to see what she's been telling them. Seems completely relevant to the election.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)What would be the downside? He could ask her to release the transcripts.
jalan48
(13,856 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I had no idea that she made *that much* money from speaking fees!
Speaking fees?
Wow, that is...nutty.
I'm so done with her. Don't care how she justifies this. I don't even want to hear her explain it.
Who would believe the transcript if she did release it? She's a liar and she's in Tasmanian devil mode in her campaign.
Really, who cares.
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)Laundering. Simple as that. Same thing with superpac money being funneled all to the media outlets back into the very hands that funded the superpacs in the first place fleecing some unknowing nitwits (that donate to them) along the way.
all that absurd excess they pay for her speeches will pay back multi-fold if she would be anointed .
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)kjones
(1,053 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)FAIL
kjones
(1,053 posts)both are manufactured outrage.
If it was a game you wanted to play though, I'm sure we could
scrounge up tons of things to ask Bernie to release and be
fake pissed about.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)kjones
(1,053 posts)Shouldn't all candidates release health information?
Boy, I remember how ferociously people around here
barked for McCain to release his medical information.
It was an applause line here.
And sure, the skin cancer was a concern, but man,
the calls for his psychiatric record, they were
downright vicious.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Actually I think Bernie is releasing some kind of letter attesting to his good health.
and I have no problem with that actually. but it was a not-so-subtle attack on his
age, which was unseemly.
kjones
(1,053 posts)the name of Trump's hairpiece manufacture.
Ugly as hell, but one has to admire the construction
and the resiliency with which it holds its own against
gravity. That level of protection and use of space
age materials is exactly what our future martian
astronauts should be outfitted in.
I think a letter is just fine, btw, though I was
never part of the call for it.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Here's some reading for you though, written by a former Wall St. exec. who pretty much
tells it like it is, about the nature of Hillary's "speeches' so Wall St.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-r-talbott/why-wall-street-gives-mil_b_9049992.html
kennetha
(3,666 posts)Oct. 27, 2013: Beth El Synagogue National Speaker Series in St. Louis Park
Oct. 25, 2013: Colgate University in Colgate, NY
Oct. 24, 2013: AIMS Alternative Investment Conference at Goldman Sachs ($200,000)
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)which is the whole point of the OP to which you are replying.
Simply saying "they are all pretty much the same" as what she says at a university speech
is either naive or disingenuous.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)But there are videos of various of them. I doubt that the ones for which there aren't videos are radically different from the one's for which there are videos.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Which is the whole point of the OP to which you are replying.
Simply saying "they are all pretty much the same" as what she says at some random
university speech is either naive or disingenuous.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)I think you're the one being naive or disingenuous.
For one thing, the Goldman Sachs events, for example, were annual conferences for Goldman Sachs CLIENTS -- not employees, not executives, not investors. But probably you hate them all and think they all are evil
The particular clients at these two events were financial advisors in the one case and entrepreneurs and innovators in the other case. The one conference is devoted to "the latest strategies and products available to financial advisers" the other conference is devoted to "discussing entrepreneurship and how to help innovators expand and grow their businesses."
But I suppose you're opposed to politicians who are willing to talk to entrepreneurs and innovators or to people who offer others financial advice for a living. I suppose you think they only serve "the billionaire class" against which your man loves to rail.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)which, though less bombastic and simple minded than one-note Bernie's half-baked policies are, are much more thought out, much more far reaching, despite their lack of simplistic bombast, and have a much greater chance of being enacted, and have a much greater chance of being effective if enacted:
Her financial regulation plan is considerably more comprehensive than Sanders's and addresses issues like shadow banking that are outside the scope of Sanders's proposals. That became Clinton's opportunity to argue that her plan is actually tougher than his that he would, in effect, let shadow banks off the hook.
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/7/10725422/clinton-sanders-shadow-bank
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/opinion/democrats-republicans-and-wall-street-tycoons.html?_r=0
Give me a pragmatic progressive who knows how to move the ball toward the ultimate goal, play-by-play, than a simple-minded "revolutionary" with his head in the clouds of ideal non-reality any day.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Give me a progressive who stands tall with low-wage workers for a $15 an hour min wage.
Give me a progressive who dares to dream big and go for it, over a "No We Can't" faux-progressive
who changes her positions with every pantsuit, who became a multi-millionaire from speaking fees
to the Banksters.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)who threaten to shut down the government if they don't get their way. You'd rather go down clinging to simplistic solutions that have no anchor in concrete reality, then actually accomplish something concrete and effective. I know it feels good, in the short term, to trumpet your moral and political superiority over more pragmatically minded people. But it's just a losing strategy in the end, that leaves you with nothing but disappointment and bitterness.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Maybe you're right. Better to be a "realist' and lick Wall St. wingtips, hunker down, just think
of me and mine, act out of fear rather than working for a future I can believe in.
Maybe you're right. Things will never really get better. The Wall St. hucksters and crooks have
already won, so I should give up and vote Hillary.
Better yet. maybe I'll just not vote at all, since I'd lose my lunch all over the voting machine.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)You think Hilary's plan to regulate wall street is just giving in to the hucksters and crooks? That's just plain silly.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Appreciate it....I hadnt had time to track anything down yet!
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Sorry - just realized your another group with a list of "demands."
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)request? how about "pretty please"?
Wait. I have it. how about "ask"?
Actually maybe you have a point. When I wrote the header, I had a twinge of hesitation
when using "demand" .. I'll edit to "ask"
Politicub
(12,165 posts)I wish I could answer your ask, because I would. I don't think there's anything to hide.
People that insinuate there is without a shred of evidence make me think of the question, "when did Sanders stop doing the NRA's bidding?" I believe the answer is 2005 for that question, by the way.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)When people or corporations shell-out 1/4 million dollars or more, they expect something in return for it.
And that's just the speaker fees, not even counting the Bankster's donations to her campaign.
artislife
(9,497 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)ha ha
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)union, solar panel producer, bus manufacturer, etc., wants to attract people "in the know" to their big conventions.
It's a small cost to have someone who may well be Prez come to a big event and talk about what they would see as the regulatory environment in the future -- even if it is not what the banksters want to hear, they want to know so they can prepare for it. If they can't make as much money, they at least want to limit their loses.
Lots of liberals are high dollar key note speakers.
But what the heck do I know? I'm afflicted because everything just isn't a big conspiracy to me.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)that have received 1/4 million dollars for one speech. Do you have any basis
for making that claim?
kennetha
(3,666 posts)doesn't make quite as much per gig... after all, he's years and years away from being a major influence or maker or shaper of policy. But he does get paid a pretty penny for his speaking gigs.
In addition to his annual CU-Berkeley salary of $242,613, Professor Reich is also a popular speaker on the nations lecture circuit, and he commands a handsome speaking fee of $40,000 for a one-hour talk (including Q&A) plus first class travel for one or two people from California, hotel accommodations for up to two nights, ground transportation, meals and incidentals. Thats the quote I got today from one of Professor Reichs speaking bureaus for his fee to give a presentation as part of a university program its possible that he charges even more for corporate events. So we have the former labor secretary complaining about a pay gap between CEOs and average workers, when he gets almost as much in compensation for a one-hour talk as the average American worker earns working full-time for an entire year (see chart above)! If he gives only six speeches a year, his annual income approaches half-a-million dollars a year, putting him solidly in Americas top 1% by income a group the class warrior frequently criticizes (see examples here and here). .
Many ex-government officials cash in in this way -- on the left and the right..
https://www.aei.org/publication/robert-reich-makes-36-more-than-average-ceo-and-gets-40k-for-a-one-hour-talk-vs-average-worker-pay-of-46kyear/
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)But $40,000 is a whole different proposition than $225,000. Just sayin'.
And Mr. Reich's speaking fees have not catapulted him into being a multi-millionaire.
But point taken. Thanks for the info.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Branson, John Lewis, Jane Fonda, Al Gore, Ed Asner, Harry Belafonte, Anthony Bourdain, Erin Brockovich, Jerry Brown, Morris Dees, Donna Brazile, Martha Stewart, and bunches more. Those people attract people to these conventions. Some just tell stories and look pretty. Others talk about the future and what may be coming down the road. Some are motivators.
In fact, Sanders will probably have a chance for lucrative speaker fees even if he loses.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)to regulate the audience, why not. How much do you think Al Gore got back when he was really popular? Jimmy Carter gets good fees. They'd all get more if they could very likely be the next President. Jeeez, if you wanted to attract people to a big convention center, are you going to ask someone who will have no influence on your industries future. Medical convention bring in top researchers.
I really don't care how much someone makes if they do a good job, especially for our society.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)we're taking about Wall St..
I still haven't seen any evidence that ANY other 'guest speaker' .. even ex-presidents like Carter,
are pulling down a 1/4 Million dollars per speech.
I'm still waiting to see any evidence of that.
And if her speeches are telling the Banksters to 'cut it out', then why won't she come clean with
transcripts?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)regulatory action that impacts their industry.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Embarrassing...
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,174 posts)It's not about any blazing insights any politician might have or any wisdom they might impart. It's about shoveling money to a candidate without LOOKING like you're shoveling money to a candidate.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)and was posted as OP this morning:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1051564
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)butterfly wing beating in China, that cascades and snowballs into the
question of the day.. people everywhere thinking "Gee, I wonder what's
in those transcripts."
But you know, I really suspect it was more of a collaboration than that;
because I actually stole the idea from SamKnause (with permission),
and was told by others that they thought they'd seen some posts on
Facebook about transcripts too, so who knows?
I'm just happy most everyone is wondering about it now ...
Thanks for your post .. what a wild fucking ride this is becoming, huh.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Never imagined it would spread like this but it seems to have.