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Divernan

(15,480 posts)
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:58 PM Jan 2016

ATU Calls on Clinton Campaign to Rise Above Tea Party Politics in Healthcare Debate

http://www.atu.org/media/releases/atu-calls-on-clinton-campaign-to-rise-above-tea-party-politics-in-healthcare-debate

Silver Spring, MD – Larry Hanley, international president of the Amalgamated Transit Union (ATU) issued the following statement in reaction to the Clinton campaign attack on Senator Bernie Sanders’ stance on “Single Payer” healthcare.

“I am grateful to Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton for keeping their presidential debate on a higher plane than the Republican candidates until now. The attack launched on Senator Sanders by the Clinton campaign this week, claiming that his long-standing position supporting single payer healthcare could threaten the insurance company supported ACA, is at best disingenuous and a grave error in judgment.

“This is an attack we would expect from Wall Street, the New York Post, or Fox News and has no place in a Democratic Primary or politics at all. It is wrong, incendiary and presents America with a false choice; the kind of choice we have become accustomed to hearing from the Tea Party.

“’Single Payer’ is the right choice for America and we call on Secretary Clinton to recognize that.”
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ATU Calls on Clinton Campaign to Rise Above Tea Party Politics in Healthcare Debate (Original Post) Divernan Jan 2016 OP
Give her a week. Autumn Jan 2016 #1
Hillary need to stand againth attacks on Dem party and Obama: and Sanders fraudulent ideas lewebley3 Jan 2016 #40
Hillary would throw Obama under the bus along with the American people Autumn Jan 2016 #43
Bless your heart. n/t tazkcmo Jan 2016 #47
Spell out the damn plan. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #2
Do. Your. Research. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #3
Why isn't SBS spelling it out for us. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #4
He did spell it out for you. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #5
As long as he lays it out out before IA. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #6
Ah so you are against single payer universal Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #7
Didn't say that Warren. Just need to see a specific proposal. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #8
google HR676, Fuddnik Jan 2016 #9
I hope that's not what he's talking about now. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #10
Don't worry. Congress will have input. But we need to move toward single payer and as soon JDPriestly Jan 2016 #23
Let's simplify this a little. pangaia Jan 2016 #29
Where did you see it? What specific provisions of the bill do you object to? kristopher Jan 2016 #49
How about you use that big ol' brain and specifically point out those parts of the bill Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #25
Did Hillary ever spell out hers Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #24
Nope the hypocrisy is mind-numbing Dretownblues Jan 2016 #26
"If you show yours I'll show you mine" Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #33
Not yet she hasn't. Autumn Jan 2016 #44
Can you provide me with a link Dretownblues Jan 2016 #27
On another thread, I noticed Scootaloo linked you to the specifics and you carped about that, too. merrily Jan 2016 #28
Please, don't drown out the gig Autumn Jan 2016 #45
We need to stop Hillary Clinton's Damaging LIES. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #34
Bernie Sanders Sets The Record Straight About Universal Healthcare in the U.S. INdemo Jan 2016 #42
Defelcting from Hillary lying all week and fighting against single-payer I see. cui bono Jan 2016 #46
Hillary must defend the Health Insurance companies because she owes them because of INdemo Jan 2016 #48
K&R CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #11
K&R. Yes please! Overseas Jan 2016 #12
"Scorched Earth" scottie55 Jan 2016 #13
Glad that unions are paying close attention to the campaigns. senz Jan 2016 #14
kick... Segami Jan 2016 #15
K & R ! TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #16
ATU forgot to say that we call on Secretary Clinton to recognize bkkyosemite Jan 2016 #17
Yep. She's on video saying that, too. Someone needs to tell her about video. merrily Jan 2016 #30
Kick for Unions speaking truth to powerful former 'front-runners' n/t 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #18
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #19
K&R azmom Jan 2016 #20
K & R!!! Thespian2 Jan 2016 #21
good luck with that Doctor_J Jan 2016 #22
Kicked and recommended to the Max! nt Enthusiast Jan 2016 #31
Huge K&R because Fuck This Shit. nt stillwaiting Jan 2016 #32
K/R UglyGreed Jan 2016 #35
Focus groups need to weigh in Babel_17 Jan 2016 #36
Bernistas just have a big problem accepting that the insurance companies only have the best interest Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #37
this is not just a struggle against Bernie Sanders and his supporters Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #38
K&R!!!!! Duval Jan 2016 #39
Show what it's going to cost, bernie! leftofcool Jan 2016 #41
All Clinton recognizes is money. Unknown Beatle Jan 2016 #50
Thank you ATU!!!!! (n/t) bread_and_roses Jan 2016 #51

Autumn

(44,958 posts)
43. Hillary would throw Obama under the bus along with the American people
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jan 2016

and the democratic party then back the bus up to drive over them again so fast your head will spin.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
3. Do. Your. Research.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:12 PM
Jan 2016

According to recent interviews with Bernie, his proposal will be very similar to a bill he introduced in Congress in 2013 but will end up being cheaper because of advancements through the ACA. I'll let you look up that bill on your own.

BTW, don't listen to Hillary's attacks on that plan. While medicare would be controlled by the states, if a state wished to opt out of the plan the federal government would step in. Nobody would lose their health insurance.

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
4. Why isn't SBS spelling it out for us.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:17 PM
Jan 2016

Heck, I may even agree. The '13 bill threw everything at the states. Non-starter. Just lay out the damn plan and let everyone decide. Like pulling teeth with this guy.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
5. He did spell it out for you.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:21 PM
Jan 2016

He's basing the plan off of that 2013 bill, just tweaking the costs associated with it. He said the new version will be available before Iowa, which is still 2-3 weeks away. In the meantime just read the 2013 bill to get an idea.

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
6. As long as he lays it out out before IA.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:23 PM
Jan 2016

I already know the '13 bill. Like I said, non-starter in my book.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
23. Don't worry. Congress will have input. But we need to move toward single payer and as soon
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:24 AM
Jan 2016

as possible. Too many people are still without healthcare as a right. Virtually every other developed country has some form of single payer, not always totally run by the government, but very often mixed, non-profit and national health care.

I lived in four different countries in Europe, had my children during those years and swear by single-payer insurance. It was great in every country, especially in France.

I like it because I have lived it. A lot of people who don't want single payer insurance don't know what it is like to have it and are misinformed about what it is. Many people think it is health insurance that interferes with the relationship between the doctor and the patient.

In my experience, it is our system of for-profit health insurance that interferes in the doctor-patient relationship. First, our private insurance companies often have a list of approved doctors that limits our choice of doctor. I did not experience that in any of the countries I lived in in which we had single payer insurance.

That makes it hard to switch doctors when you have a problem that you know a doctor who is not on your plan would deal with best.

Also, if you have, say German insurance but you are traveling in France, you will probably have no problem if you suddenly need healthcare. At least that was my experience.

And the quality of care? A French doctor saved my life. I am forever grateful. There was no need to ask whether we were insured or how we would pay. We had insurance from a different country.

It's nice to talk about things you know about. This happens to be one thing I know about.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
29. Let's simplify this a little.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:51 AM
Jan 2016

Just for discussion's sake, if Clinton gave you her basic plan, sans fine details, and Sanders gave you his basic plan, sans details, whom would trust?


kristopher

(29,798 posts)
49. Where did you see it? What specific provisions of the bill do you object to?
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:56 PM
Jan 2016

Please provide a quote and link.

If you didn't read the bill itself then cite the specific review of the bill (with a link so we can also look at it and judge the content) and what they author wrote about the bill that causes you to reject it.

It isn't difficult to have a real discussion. How about it?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
25. How about you use that big ol' brain and specifically point out those parts of the bill
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:42 AM
Jan 2016

that are a non-starter for you.

Dretownblues

(253 posts)
27. Can you provide me with a link
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:49 AM
Jan 2016

where Clinton spells out her plan in the detail you are asking Sanders to spell his out?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
28. On another thread, I noticed Scootaloo linked you to the specifics and you carped about that, too.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:50 AM
Jan 2016

Autumn

(44,958 posts)
45. Please, don't drown out the gig
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jan 2016

They got nothing else to post. Scootaloo isn't the only one who has linked that poster to the specifics.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
42. Bernie Sanders Sets The Record Straight About Universal Healthcare in the U.S.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jan 2016

Will you take time to watch this or do you just want to continue with Hillary's TeaBagger style of attacks?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511014848

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
46. Defelcting from Hillary lying all week and fighting against single-payer I see.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jan 2016

You want single-payer or not? Hillary doesn't. At least last week she didn't. Would be hard for her to fight for it now, so a vote for her is a vote for the health insurance companies at the expense of the people.

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INdemo

(6,994 posts)
48. Hillary must defend the Health Insurance companies because she owes them because of
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:35 PM
Jan 2016

the huge contributions they have made to her campaign
This is just for
2015-2016 and if I go back to her Senate campaign the amounts would be astronomical.
(If Hillary's Presidential Campaign is not the largest beneficiary of the Health Insurance Companies Contributions she is a very close second and that would be Cruz.

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=H


During Hillary's Senate campaign Hillary Clinton was the largest beneficiary of Health Insurance and Pharmaceutical contributions. So why would she not defend her interests,even if it means attack,attack,and bringing her daughter out with the bumbling unrehearsed attack

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
13. "Scorched Earth"
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jan 2016

Clinton's new motto.

Who cares if we retake the Senate right Chelsea? Hillary?

If you think any American doesn't deserve health care, you belong in a different party.

Try Satan't own Republican Party, where greed is good!!!

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
14. Glad that unions are paying close attention to the campaigns.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:56 PM
Jan 2016

So they can see for themselves.

Thanks, Divernan!

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
17. ATU forgot to say that we call on Secretary Clinton to recognize
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 11:12 PM
Jan 2016

that she already recognized that Single Payer was the right choice in 1993 and 2008.....and ATU needed to push that part of the hypocrisy.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
21. K & R!!!
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 11:27 PM
Jan 2016

the 1%er has a problem...where to attack Bernie?...

Medicare for All...single-payer...was an amazingly poor choice for an attack...

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
37. Bernistas just have a big problem accepting that the insurance companies only have the best interest
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 02:56 PM
Jan 2016

of the sick and disabled of America at heart. Why can't they see something so obvious?

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
38. this is not just a struggle against Bernie Sanders and his supporters
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 02:58 PM
Jan 2016

it is a struggle against single-payer healthcare itself - which both Chelsea an Hillary have made very clear with their recent public pronouncements.

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