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Mon Apr 16, 2012, 02:35 AM

Note to woo-woos, St. Johns Wort is just another SSRI!

I picked up a wonderful book from the thrift store I work at on herbal medicines written by a toxicologist who talks about the active compounds in the herbs and legitimate scientific studies involving the herbs and their side effects. No woo about the wisdom of nature and similar crap, just science.

I was floored when he says that the active compound in St. John's Wort functions just like any other SSRI, and it has the exact same side effects as Prozac.

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Reply Note to woo-woos, St. Johns Wort is just another SSRI! (Original post)
Odin2005 Apr 2012 OP
frankie May 2012 #1
Odin2005 May 2012 #2
Rainforestgoddess May 2012 #3
EvolveOrConvolve May 2012 #4
Rainforestgoddess May 2012 #5
Confusious May 2012 #6
laconicsax May 2012 #7
Odin2005 May 2012 #8
laconicsax May 2012 #9

Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Tue May 1, 2012, 10:36 AM

1. Yep

Many natural medicinal substances are unrefined equivalents to modern pharmaceuticals. The obvious example is willow bark == unrefined aspirin.

They're typically lower dose, so they'll have weaker effects (and probably weaker side effects), but you're also ingesting whatever other chemicals are found in the plant, which may be good, bad, or inert. Plus whatever else they choose to add to the pill, because "natural" remedies aren't FDA regulated so really they could contain pretty much anything (except for known meds).

Then remember the placebo effect...

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Response to frankie (Reply #1)

Tue May 1, 2012, 11:24 AM

2. And they got a heart medication from foxglove.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #2)

Tue May 1, 2012, 02:37 PM

3. digitalis is the drug name

the latin name for the flower is digitalis purpurea

By the way - Hi! I've been reading in this group and atheists for years. Thought I'd finally post a comment.


edited to add - my user name is a long term family joke - no woo here!

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Response to Rainforestgoddess (Reply #3)

Tue May 1, 2012, 07:54 PM

4. Only 22 posts in 4 years!

You should lurk less and post more. We can always use more atheist skeptics!

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Response to EvolveOrConvolve (Reply #4)

Tue May 1, 2012, 09:12 PM

5. I'm afraid if I start

I'll never get anything done. Initially I didn't post because I hadn't donated to DU2, though these two groups are honestly the part of the site I enjoy the most. After a couple of years, it was just habit.

But now that I've dipped a toe in...

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 01:57 AM

6. Side effects are probably worse


Since you have to take more of it to get the same effect.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #6)

Mon May 21, 2012, 02:21 AM

7. And what a list of side effects it has!

 

I wonder how many people think that a "natural" product like St. John's wort has no side effects...

Here are the side effects associated with St. John's wort:
-Dry mouth
-Dizziness
-Nausea
-Diarrhea
-Photophobia
-Fatigue
-Insomnia (see St. John's Wort and Insomnia)
-Vivid dreams
-Headaches
-Sexual problems
-Anxiety
-Panic attacks
-Hostility/aggression
-Akathisia
-Mania
-Hallucinations
-Tachycardia
-Hypertension

Of course, as a "dietary supplement," there really aren't any enforced safety standards.

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Response to laconicsax (Reply #7)

Mon May 21, 2012, 11:18 PM

8. The list of "possible side effects" of my Paxil are similar.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #8)

Tue May 22, 2012, 12:49 AM

9. But Paxil is an evul drug made by PHARMA!!!

 

Its side effects are there to make you dependent on other PHARMA toxins!

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