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truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
Tue May 6, 2014, 03:16 PM May 2014

Someone else got their fee-fee's hurt...

...and got my post in this "safe haven" hidden.

Sorry, but that is just ridiculous...

I totally agree that posts still have to meet 'community standards'...but the people that vote on the posts should be members of the safe haven group ONLY...otherwise what's the bloody point?

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Someone else got their fee-fee's hurt... (Original Post) truebrit71 May 2014 OP
The sad reality is that there are those who cannot stand to see us with a voice. trotsky May 2014 #1
But anyone can be a member DavidDvorkin May 2014 #2
Can disruptors, or known agitators be restricted from access? truebrit71 May 2014 #3
I'm sure they can. I got banned from the BOG FiveGoodMen May 2014 #4
The rules posted in the two pinned posts at the top of this DavidDvorkin May 2014 #5
Some disruptors have already been blocked* Rob H. May 2014 #6
Thanks for the info....that's what I have been able to ascertain..which sounds a little daft to me.. truebrit71 May 2014 #7
If you are on Facebook, Curmudgeoness May 2014 #9
Thanks for mentioning that. TxDemChem May 2014 #11
Well, I wouldn't go that far. Curmudgeoness May 2014 #15
Between that recent ruling, as well as other TxDemChem May 2014 #19
If they piss you off enough, Curmudgeoness May 2014 #20
Nothing has happened here yet. TxDemChem May 2014 #23
Absolutely! PM Me for any information Heddi May 2014 #13
Ah, girlie drinks! Curmudgeoness May 2014 #16
Done! truebrit71 May 2014 #27
Even so LostOne4Ever May 2014 #10
Another possibility skepticscott May 2014 #17
That's another interesting idea...but i definitely think that alerts in safe-haven groups have to be truebrit71 May 2014 #24
That would be a great solution as well! (nt) LostOne4Ever May 2014 #30
Yes, but you made a remark about the RCC - doesn't matter that it was *here* mr blur May 2014 #8
Jesus tap-dancing fucking Christ on a trailer hitch EvolveOrConvolve May 2014 #12
yeah if you bring that up in the R forum Heddi May 2014 #14
I've seen people get accused of having an "agenda" Rob H. May 2014 #22
I read that as "Jesus LAP-dancing fucking Christ..." onager May 2014 #28
"Jesus LAP-dancing fucking Christ..." Rob H. May 2014 #29
If I was any good at Photoshop, I'd give us a lap-dancing jebus EvolveOrConvolve May 2014 #31
I guess that we have a different definition Curmudgeoness May 2014 #18
Possibly have an automated message on the alert... uriel1972 May 2014 #21
You're oppressing them!1!! progressoid May 2014 #25
Ha ha!! "Help! Help! We're being oppressed!!" truebrit71 May 2014 #26

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
1. The sad reality is that there are those who cannot stand to see us with a voice.
Tue May 6, 2014, 03:44 PM
May 2014

The fact that we can openly criticize religion and call attention to religious hypocrisy drives them to impotent rage.

The one thing they can do is click on alert and hope 4 random people can be persuaded to hide. In that way alone can their impotent rage be alleviated... temporarily.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
3. Can disruptors, or known agitators be restricted from access?
Tue May 6, 2014, 04:07 PM
May 2014

I honestly don't know...and that would go a long way to explaining why this 'safe haven' really isn't..

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
4. I'm sure they can. I got banned from the BOG
Tue May 6, 2014, 04:52 PM
May 2014

(where I inadvertently wound up after clicking a link on the greatest page)

DavidDvorkin

(19,406 posts)
5. The rules posted in the two pinned posts at the top of this
Tue May 6, 2014, 04:53 PM
May 2014

group don't seem to give the hosts the power to do that. They should have that power, I think, and they should exercise it.

Rob H.

(5,340 posts)
6. Some disruptors have already been blocked*
Tue May 6, 2014, 05:39 PM
May 2014

(oftentimes after being shown a lot more tolerance for their childish behavior than they deserved, imo) but they can still visit the group and see what's posted here. Even if there were a way to block their access to this group when they're logged in, they'd still be able to see it when they're not. There might be a way to limit or even eliminate their ability to alert on posts when they're logged in, but they'd probably just send a PM or two and have one of their cronies do it for them, anyway. For my part, I wish they'd just stay the hell out. You don't see any of us trawling their safe havens looking high and low for posts to alert on, but apparently they're incapable of extending the same courtesy.


*Apologies if I'm telling you things you already know--not sure how much time you spend here.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
7. Thanks for the info....that's what I have been able to ascertain..which sounds a little daft to me..
Tue May 6, 2014, 05:49 PM
May 2014

...if they can be locked out of the group for disrupting, but still alert on posts that are in the group they've been locked out of, that means they can continue to be disruptive..

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
9. If you are on Facebook,
Tue May 6, 2014, 07:29 PM
May 2014

I believe it is Heddi who has set up a FB group for DU A&A folks that is protected and by invitation only. I did not join it, but I may reconsider soon. It is meant to allow for totally free discussion without people looking over our shoulder. I don't know how well it is going. You would have to PM Heddi and ask about it to get in.

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)
11. Thanks for mentioning that.
Tue May 6, 2014, 08:32 PM
May 2014

I stay away from FB, but if that's where we have to go to really express ourselves, I'd leave DU behind with the quickness

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
15. Well, I wouldn't go that far.
Tue May 6, 2014, 09:06 PM
May 2014

I love DU and use it for so much of my news. I keep up with current events, and I get reassurance that I am not the only one who thinks the way I do----and working in a very conservative place surrounded by religious people, it is easy to get lonely. So I wouldn't leave this behind, but there is something to be said for keeping comments that would hurt feeling here away from DU.

I hate FB as well, and never go there even though I am on it, which is why I have not joined the group so far. But right now, I am so furious about the SCOTUS ruling allowing prayer at public government meetings has me ready to explode.

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)
19. Between that recent ruling, as well as other
Tue May 6, 2014, 09:50 PM
May 2014

Anti-atheist statements being made by religious leaders and politicians (I am so tired of being compared to hitler), I have been spending way more time in this forum.

I thought of changing my avatar so as not to get silly comments in GD, but I haven't had any problems there yet. Still, someone will likely make some remark that pisses me off. But I'm not going to change it. Dems are diverse and they all need to accept it.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
20. If they piss you off enough,
Tue May 6, 2014, 10:07 PM
May 2014

walk away from the conversation. And alert on the post. Don't let them bait you, that is the game.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
13. Absolutely! PM Me for any information
Tue May 6, 2014, 08:53 PM
May 2014

We have a great group of people over there, and it's a completely safe space. I field all requests prior to allowing access. Many have voiced concerns (privately and publicly) over people not being who they say they are...let's just say that there is a vetting process, and I consult with other members of the group prior to allowing access for anyone I'm on the fence about. No whack-a-troll there!

Anyone who is interested in a space where you can be yourself, be open in your Atheism, and post whatever fucking comics you want to post, PM me. This is as private as you can get. There is no trace of this group on your FB page. It will not show up on your profile as a group you belong to. Its posts will not show up on your newsfeed. It is not searchable. It is by invitation only.

Come over to the dark side. We have mimosas as other pinky-out type drinks

LostOne4Ever

(9,267 posts)
10. Even so
Tue May 6, 2014, 08:04 PM
May 2014

Last edited Tue May 6, 2014, 09:17 PM - Edit history (1)

They are going to be a minority here. There are over 400 subscribers to this group, the odds are, even if they are chosen as jurors, they will be over-ruled. Ultimately by restricting it to members/subscribers only we will actually be judged by a jury of our peers.

That said, since we are talking hypotheticals I would also add other restrictions like having to actually have posted in this group 3* times over 90 days, and banning blocked members from serving on AA juries.

*or some other number

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
17. Another possibility
Tue May 6, 2014, 09:13 PM
May 2014

would be to require a supermajority (at least 5-2) to hide a post in a safe haven. For any post that was really objectionable, that shouldn't be a problem, but for the kind of weaselly alerts that our lurking trolls like to throw up on a daily basis, not so easy.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
24. That's another interesting idea...but i definitely think that alerts in safe-haven groups have to be
Wed May 7, 2014, 09:43 AM
May 2014

..handled differently than in 'general population'...

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
8. Yes, but you made a remark about the RCC - doesn't matter that it was *here*
Tue May 6, 2014, 06:07 PM
May 2014

You can't do that. It makes the pope cry, apparently. They have other ways of knowing these things. That you and I will never understand.

We're safe on this side of the Pond; we're not surrounded by people who resent us for not believing in their supernatural fantasies.
Remember when Bliar said that he couldn't talk about his religion because, "People will think you're a loony"? Well he's right, we will and we do.

And you're quite right, it is ridiculous.

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
12. Jesus tap-dancing fucking Christ on a trailer hitch
Tue May 6, 2014, 08:51 PM
May 2014

It seems that some people want to hide the fact that their church provided the avenue for thousands of children to be sexually violated by one of the people in their lives' they should have been able to trust implicitly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases_by_country

Or that the RCC has defrocked over 800 priests in the last decade.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/06/vatican-defrocked-priests_n_5275889.html

Or that there's ample evidence that the church tried to cover up many of these egregious acts.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/21/chicago-archdiocese-releases-documents-detailing-abuse-coverup
http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/the-catholic-church-s-worldwide-sexual-abuse-scandal-and-cover-up/17838-the-catholic-church-s-worldwide-sexual-abuse-scandal-and-cover-up

Or that the church is spending its members money to pay for all this shit.
http://www.economist.com/node/21560536

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
14. yeah if you bring that up in the R forum
Tue May 6, 2014, 08:56 PM
May 2014

you're often accused of changing the subject, or using victims of sexual abuse as fodder to drive a point home. Sickening. More concern over the fucking perpetrators than the victims. More concern over "tone" than fact, and what's even more fucking hilarious is that the king of "let me deflect this conversation and focus on minutiae because I don't like where it's going" accusing others of 'changing the subject' when sexual abuse is brought up. Pot. Kettle. etc etc. "So what you're saying is....."

Rob H.

(5,340 posts)
22. I've seen people get accused of having an "agenda"
Tue May 6, 2014, 10:42 PM
May 2014

when they bring up the child rape scandals in the RCC. 'Cause it must be a nefarious plot to make the church look bad by pointing out (with evidence and everything!) that an organization that tells other people how to live their lives is colossally hypocritical for doing so while it simultaneously protects the rapists in its midst.

onager

(9,356 posts)
28. I read that as "Jesus LAP-dancing fucking Christ..."
Wed May 7, 2014, 01:10 PM
May 2014

Which was an interesting mental picture.

On-topic: yeah, the alerts are getting ridiculous. Some of the religionistas are clearly just out for revenge or just to fuck with us, and that's the one way they can do it.

Maybe we should start several hundred threads simultaneously, all with Subject lines containing "the Pope." But then they'd probably develop carpal tunnel syndrome and try to sue the A/A group for their medical costs.

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
31. If I was any good at Photoshop, I'd give us a lap-dancing jebus
Wed May 7, 2014, 08:08 PM
May 2014

But alas, my artistic/graphical skills are seriously lacking. I'm more of a Microsoft Paint kinda guy.

LOL @ the carpal tunnel comment. I imagine them getting carpal tunnel syndrome from looking at the pope, just not how you think.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
18. I guess that we have a different definition
Tue May 6, 2014, 09:17 PM
May 2014

of "community standards" here, since this community is despised by many. I don't understand it, but I have seen it here and IRL. A "community" of headhunters could not have more different opinions than the ordinary American than we have...different standards.

It would be a good idea for this group, as well as many others on DU, to be judged by our "peers".

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
21. Possibly have an automated message on the alert...
Tue May 6, 2014, 10:14 PM
May 2014

That it is from a safe haven. Maybe specifying which one so jurors have an idea about what's going on?

progressoid

(49,827 posts)
25. You're oppressing them!1!!
Wed May 7, 2014, 11:48 AM
May 2014

I figured my re-posting the cartoon would get alerted. I did not expect any of the replies to get alerted. It's a pretty pathetic move on their part.

There wasn't anything " disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate" about your post.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
26. Ha ha!! "Help! Help! We're being oppressed!!"
Wed May 7, 2014, 12:27 PM
May 2014

..."Cult of child-buggerers" was the magic phrase I think..

...because we all know they do not engage in cultish behaviour at all, you know, other than that whole rigidly-strict ceremonial stuff they do en masse including chanting of sacred texts and bizarre cannibalistic rituals, and it was wholly offensive to remind them that a good number of their leaders (from the local parishes up to the Vatican) were either involved in, knew about, or covered up for the wholesale misery of sexual abuse in all of its various forms being visited upon innocent minors...

But yeah, I'm the fucking bad guy for pointing that out in plain fucking English...

And yes, it is extremely pathetic that they'd have to troll in a group they've already been bounced from to try and continue with their shit-stirring ways...

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