Atheists & Agnostics
Related: About this forumSomeone else got their fee-fee's hurt...
...and got my post in this "safe haven" hidden.
Sorry, but that is just ridiculous...
I totally agree that posts still have to meet 'community standards'...but the people that vote on the posts should be members of the safe haven group ONLY...otherwise what's the bloody point?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)The fact that we can openly criticize religion and call attention to religious hypocrisy drives them to impotent rage.
The one thing they can do is click on alert and hope 4 random people can be persuaded to hide. In that way alone can their impotent rage be alleviated... temporarily.
DavidDvorkin
(19,406 posts)Rather, a subscriber to this group. So there's no way to restrict that.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)I honestly don't know...and that would go a long way to explaining why this 'safe haven' really isn't..
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)(where I inadvertently wound up after clicking a link on the greatest page)
DavidDvorkin
(19,406 posts)group don't seem to give the hosts the power to do that. They should have that power, I think, and they should exercise it.
Rob H.
(5,340 posts)(oftentimes after being shown a lot more tolerance for their childish behavior than they deserved, imo) but they can still visit the group and see what's posted here. Even if there were a way to block their access to this group when they're logged in, they'd still be able to see it when they're not. There might be a way to limit or even eliminate their ability to alert on posts when they're logged in, but they'd probably just send a PM or two and have one of their cronies do it for them, anyway. For my part, I wish they'd just stay the hell out. You don't see any of us trawling their safe havens looking high and low for posts to alert on, but apparently they're incapable of extending the same courtesy.
*Apologies if I'm telling you things you already know--not sure how much time you spend here.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...if they can be locked out of the group for disrupting, but still alert on posts that are in the group they've been locked out of, that means they can continue to be disruptive..
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I believe it is Heddi who has set up a FB group for DU A&A folks that is protected and by invitation only. I did not join it, but I may reconsider soon. It is meant to allow for totally free discussion without people looking over our shoulder. I don't know how well it is going. You would have to PM Heddi and ask about it to get in.
TxDemChem
(1,918 posts)I stay away from FB, but if that's where we have to go to really express ourselves, I'd leave DU behind with the quickness
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I love DU and use it for so much of my news. I keep up with current events, and I get reassurance that I am not the only one who thinks the way I do----and working in a very conservative place surrounded by religious people, it is easy to get lonely. So I wouldn't leave this behind, but there is something to be said for keeping comments that would hurt feeling here away from DU.
I hate FB as well, and never go there even though I am on it, which is why I have not joined the group so far. But right now, I am so furious about the SCOTUS ruling allowing prayer at public government meetings has me ready to explode.
TxDemChem
(1,918 posts)Anti-atheist statements being made by religious leaders and politicians (I am so tired of being compared to hitler), I have been spending way more time in this forum.
I thought of changing my avatar so as not to get silly comments in GD, but I haven't had any problems there yet. Still, someone will likely make some remark that pisses me off. But I'm not going to change it. Dems are diverse and they all need to accept it.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)walk away from the conversation. And alert on the post. Don't let them bait you, that is the game.
TxDemChem
(1,918 posts)Mostly it's the outside works working my last good nerve.
Heddi
(18,312 posts)We have a great group of people over there, and it's a completely safe space. I field all requests prior to allowing access. Many have voiced concerns (privately and publicly) over people not being who they say they are...let's just say that there is a vetting process, and I consult with other members of the group prior to allowing access for anyone I'm on the fence about. No whack-a-troll there!
Anyone who is interested in a space where you can be yourself, be open in your Atheism, and post whatever fucking comics you want to post, PM me. This is as private as you can get. There is no trace of this group on your FB page. It will not show up on your profile as a group you belong to. Its posts will not show up on your newsfeed. It is not searchable. It is by invitation only.
Come over to the dark side. We have mimosas as other pinky-out type drinks
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)Very tempting.
LostOne4Ever
(9,267 posts)Last edited Tue May 6, 2014, 09:17 PM - Edit history (1)
They are going to be a minority here. There are over 400 subscribers to this group, the odds are, even if they are chosen as jurors, they will be over-ruled. Ultimately by restricting it to members/subscribers only we will actually be judged by a jury of our peers.
That said, since we are talking hypotheticals I would also add other restrictions like having to actually have posted in this group 3* times over 90 days, and banning blocked members from serving on AA juries.
*or some other number
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)would be to require a supermajority (at least 5-2) to hide a post in a safe haven. For any post that was really objectionable, that shouldn't be a problem, but for the kind of weaselly alerts that our lurking trolls like to throw up on a daily basis, not so easy.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)..handled differently than in 'general population'...
LostOne4Ever
(9,267 posts)mr blur
(7,753 posts)You can't do that. It makes the pope cry, apparently. They have other ways of knowing these things. That you and I will never understand.
We're safe on this side of the Pond; we're not surrounded by people who resent us for not believing in their supernatural fantasies.
Remember when Bliar said that he couldn't talk about his religion because, "People will think you're a loony"? Well he's right, we will and we do.
And you're quite right, it is ridiculous.
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)It seems that some people want to hide the fact that their church provided the avenue for thousands of children to be sexually violated by one of the people in their lives' they should have been able to trust implicitly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases_by_country
Or that the RCC has defrocked over 800 priests in the last decade.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/06/vatican-defrocked-priests_n_5275889.html
Or that there's ample evidence that the church tried to cover up many of these egregious acts.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/21/chicago-archdiocese-releases-documents-detailing-abuse-coverup
http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/the-catholic-church-s-worldwide-sexual-abuse-scandal-and-cover-up/17838-the-catholic-church-s-worldwide-sexual-abuse-scandal-and-cover-up
Or that the church is spending its members money to pay for all this shit.
http://www.economist.com/node/21560536
Heddi
(18,312 posts)you're often accused of changing the subject, or using victims of sexual abuse as fodder to drive a point home. Sickening. More concern over the fucking perpetrators than the victims. More concern over "tone" than fact, and what's even more fucking hilarious is that the king of "let me deflect this conversation and focus on minutiae because I don't like where it's going" accusing others of 'changing the subject' when sexual abuse is brought up. Pot. Kettle. etc etc. "So what you're saying is....."
Rob H.
(5,340 posts)when they bring up the child rape scandals in the RCC. 'Cause it must be a nefarious plot to make the church look bad by pointing out (with evidence and everything!) that an organization that tells other people how to live their lives is colossally hypocritical for doing so while it simultaneously protects the rapists in its midst.
onager
(9,356 posts)Which was an interesting mental picture.
On-topic: yeah, the alerts are getting ridiculous. Some of the religionistas are clearly just out for revenge or just to fuck with us, and that's the one way they can do it.
Maybe we should start several hundred threads simultaneously, all with Subject lines containing "the Pope." But then they'd probably develop carpal tunnel syndrome and try to sue the A/A group for their medical costs.
Rob H.
(5,340 posts)LOL. I like that even better--I'm using that from now on.
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)But alas, my artistic/graphical skills are seriously lacking. I'm more of a Microsoft Paint kinda guy.
LOL @ the carpal tunnel comment. I imagine them getting carpal tunnel syndrome from looking at the pope, just not how you think.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)of "community standards" here, since this community is despised by many. I don't understand it, but I have seen it here and IRL. A "community" of headhunters could not have more different opinions than the ordinary American than we have...different standards.
It would be a good idea for this group, as well as many others on DU, to be judged by our "peers".
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)That it is from a safe haven. Maybe specifying which one so jurors have an idea about what's going on?
progressoid
(49,827 posts)I figured my re-posting the cartoon would get alerted. I did not expect any of the replies to get alerted. It's a pretty pathetic move on their part.
There wasn't anything " disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate" about your post.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)..."Cult of child-buggerers" was the magic phrase I think..
...because we all know they do not engage in cultish behaviour at all, you know, other than that whole rigidly-strict ceremonial stuff they do en masse including chanting of sacred texts and bizarre cannibalistic rituals, and it was wholly offensive to remind them that a good number of their leaders (from the local parishes up to the Vatican) were either involved in, knew about, or covered up for the wholesale misery of sexual abuse in all of its various forms being visited upon innocent minors...
But yeah, I'm the fucking bad guy for pointing that out in plain fucking English...
And yes, it is extremely pathetic that they'd have to troll in a group they've already been bounced from to try and continue with their shit-stirring ways...