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Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:44 AM

Killing it softly? Religion and Anti-Gay Legislation

To my shame I read yesterday where my home state, Georgia, has gotten in line with the rash of states (Oklahoma, Hawaii, Arizona, Utah, Oregon, Kansas, Tennessee, etc.,) proposing anti-gay legislation under the guise of preserving "religious freedom." We'll see what Jan Brewer does in Arizona, but I think that immense damage has already been done to the GOP and, I hope, in getting many to really look at the hypocrisy inherent in orthodox religion. Young people especially aren't buying. They just aren't as homophobic as the old goats in these Republican-controlled legislatures. A new survey shows that millennials are giving up on religion as a result of anti-gay policies. Something good may be coming out of all this ugliness.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/26/millennials-gay-unaffiliated-church-religion_n_4856094.html?utm_hp_ref=religion

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Reply Killing it softly? Religion and Anti-Gay Legislation (Original post)
Brainstormy Feb 2014 OP
Beachwood Feb 2014 #1
theHandpuppet Mar 2014 #11
RebeccaBeasley Feb 2014 #2
Brainstormy Feb 2014 #4
RebeccaBeasley Feb 2014 #7
RebeccaBeasley Feb 2014 #3
Brainstormy Feb 2014 #5
RebeccaBeasley Feb 2014 #8
RebelOne Feb 2014 #9
Beachwood Feb 2014 #6
TxDemChem Feb 2014 #10

Response to Brainstormy (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 11:04 AM

1. Uganda, Russia, Arizona and all those others

 

All broadly defined as having a government that is dominated by Christians in power.

Or could it just be that all those governmental bodies feel a sense of frustration with the continuing lack of recovery from the worldwide recession and just want to do be seen as doing SOME thing to appease their voters, even if it amounts to scapegoating.

We often see in history that during tough economic times, one minority or another (Jews, Irish, black folks , Latinos, etc.) is scapegoated as a supposed major part of the problem. Is it that we have "run out" of minorities to insult and restrict? Or is it that when people can see gay folks being happily married and treated equally in some places, other homophobic political leaders just can't help control their fear and ignorance? So they resort to "religious freedom" arguments, to justify their foolish actions.

Rachel Maddow commented the other night that just 10 years ago, none other than President George W. Bush was pushing for a Constitutioal Amendment to BAN Gay marriage nationwide. That was obviously a political maneuver in order to gin up the religious right voters to go out a vote for Bush. Ten years later, with 17 states and DC having legalized same sex marriages, those poor bedragled right wingers are desperate to stop the tides, and perhaps simply expressing one final extinction burst, of defiance much like a child misbehaving.

There's definitely a pattern here, and it seems to some extent worldwide, mostly recently coincidentally in heavily Christian influenced governmental bodies.

Let's hope all these foolish pieces of legislation are nipped in the bud in the USA. I don't have such great hopes for Russia and Uganda, but pointing out how dangerous religious beliefs can be along these lines, especially to the young may help to kill much of the irrational parts of religion softly.

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Response to Beachwood (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 05:17 PM

11. Oh, they're still at it

Now they've taken two different approaches: one, a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage; two, the State Marriage Defense Act.

Here's a recent press release from the US Conference of Catholic Bishops regarding a constitutional amendment:

http://www.usccb.org/news/2014/14-037.cfm
USCCB Subcommittee Chairman Strongly Supports Amending U.S. Constitution to Protect Marriage
February 19, 2014

Archbishop Cordileone: Marriage Protection Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is needed
Amendment is only remedy against judicial activism
Elemental truth of marriage deserves highest protection in law


WASHINGTON—Expressing strong support for the federal Marriage Protection Amendment (H. J. Res. 51) introduced by Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-KS) in the U.S. House of Representatives, Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone of San Francisco said, “The amendment would secure in law throughout the country the basic truth known to reason that marriage is the union of one man and one woman.” Archbishop Cordileone , chairman of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Subcommittee for the Promotion and Defense of Marriage, made the comments in a February 19 letter of support to Rep. Huelskamp.

Referencing recent federal court decisions striking down a number of state marriage laws, Archbishop Cordileone said, “An amendment to the U.S. Constitution is the only remedy in law against this judicial activism that may ultimately end with federal judges declaring that the U.S. Constitution requires states, and consequently the federal government, to redefine marriage.” He added, “Just as Roe v. Wade mandated a constitutional right to abortion throughout the country, we now have the possibility of another bad decision mandating a constitutional change in the meaning of marriage in order to promote (at least to begin with) ‘marriages’ between two people of the same sex throughout the country. Your proposed Marriage Protection Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is, therefore, a needed remedy.”

Archbishop Cordileone also said, “Preserving this elemental truth is necessary for the good of society at large and for the good of children who deserve the love of both a mother and a father, neither of whom is expendable. Indeed, marriage is the only institution that unites a man and a woman to each other and to any child conceived of their union.” Archbishop Cordileone also commented on the nature of the recent federal court decisions by saying, “Federal court opinions that essentially redefine marriage to be merely a state recognized arrangement of intimate adult relationships ignore the truth about marriage, which deserves the highest protection in law.”

Archbishop Cordileone urged the U.S. House of Representatives to pass the Marriage Protection Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and encouraged members to join the resolution as cosponsors.... MORE

Another press release, this one for the State Marriage Defense Act:

http://www.usccb.org/news/2014/14-043.cfm
State Marriage Defense Act introduced in U.S. Senate Receives Strong Endorsement From USCCB Subcommittee Chairman
February 28, 2014

Archbishop Cordileone says federal government acting contrary to Supreme Court decision
Federal government ought to defer to state law where couples reside
Says state laws defining marriage as between a man and woman deserve respect


WASHINGTON—Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone of San Francisco, chairman of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Subcommittee for the Promotion and Defense of Marriage, strongly endorsed the State Marriage Defense Act of 2014 (S. 2024) introduced in the U.S. Senate by Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX). A companion bill (H.R. 3829) was previously introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives by Representative Randy Weber (R-TX).

In a February 28 letter of support to Senator Cruz, Archbishop Cordileone noted that the Department of Justice is the most recent federal agency “to use a ‘place of celebration’ rule rather than a ‘place of domicile’ rule when determining the validity of a marriage for purposes of federal rights, benefits, and privileges.”

“By employing a ‘place of celebration’ rule, these agencies have chosen to ignore the law of the state in which people reside in determining whether they are married. The effect, if not the intent, of this choice is to circumvent state laws defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman,” said Archbishop Cordileone.

He noted that these federal agencies are acting contrary to the Supreme Court decision on the federal Defense of Marriage Act. “The Supreme Court’s decision last year in United States v. Windsor, however, requires the federal government to defer to state marriage law, not disregard it.” He concluded the bill is necessary because it “would remedy this problem by requiring the federal government, consistent with Windsor, to defer to the marriage law of the state in which people actually reside when determining whether they are married for purposes of federal law.”.... MORE

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Response to Brainstormy (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 11:29 AM

2. Delta is not happy

And GA needs Delta.

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=2275

"As a global values-based company, Delta Air Lines is proud of the diversity of its customers and employees, and is deeply concerned about proposed measures in several states, including Georgia and Arizona, that would allow businesses to refuse service to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender individuals. If passed into law, these proposals would cause significant harm to many people and will result in job losses. They would also violate Delta's core values of mutual respect and dignity shared by our 80,000 employees worldwide and the 165 million customers we serve every year. Delta strongly opposes these measures and we join the business community in urging state officials to reject these proposals."

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Response to RebeccaBeasley (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 11:44 AM

4. Let's hope Coca Cola

speaks up, too. GA needs to keep Coke happy, also.

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Response to Brainstormy (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 12:12 PM

7. And Coke just went through the vitriol clown parade

with their multi-language "American the Beautiful" commercial that caused every wingnut in the country to lose their tiny little minds.

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Response to Brainstormy (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 11:44 AM

3. Do you read Jay Bookman in the Atlanta Journal Constitution?

He's a must read and he has something to say about this insanity.

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/jay-bookman/2014/feb/24/georgia-may-follow-arizonas-anti-gay-lead/

Sez Jay...

Such legislation has become the latest conservative rage all around the country; similar "religious freedom" bills have been introduced in Kansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma and quite a few other states. The campaign is motivated by two or three isolated cases that have been well-publicized in right-wing circles in which businesses were sued for refusing to sell their services or products to gay couples.

And of course, that makes the legislation here in Georgia even dumber than it first seems, which is saying something. Those lawsuits occurred in New Mexico and Colorado, where discrimination against gay people is illegal under state law. Georgia has no law that protects gay people from discrimination, and is extremely unlikely to be passing one anytime soon. It thus has no reason -- not even a bad reason -- to pursue HB 1023. The bill was filed and is being pushed solely because that's what all the cool conservative kids are doing, and because it sends a message of defiance to those who believe that gay Americans ought to be treated the same as everybody else.

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Response to RebeccaBeasley (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 11:47 AM

5. Without Bookman, sometimes, and Luckovich dependably

The AJC would just be birdcage liner. But yes, this is good article.

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Response to Brainstormy (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 12:21 PM

8. I left north Florida 34 years ago...

my family were GA wiregrass pioneers. I love GA but the crazy there as well as my part of north Florida runs VERY deep.

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Response to RebeccaBeasley (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 02:20 PM

9. I lived in Miami most of my life until I moved to North Georgia

But gays are accepted in South Florida. I am a straight female, and while I lived in Miami, I had many gay friends and co-workers. So what? Their sexual life was none of my business.

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Response to RebeccaBeasley (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 11:50 AM

6. Interesting column, thanks! n/t

 

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Response to Brainstormy (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 07:47 AM

10. Weird thing happened here in Texas

Some younger coworkers who were raised Christian are getting a bit tired of the gay-bashing. The obsession with other peoples' lives is costing the right some of their young defenders. Hahaha, no need to debate Christians this week...their own churches are getting on their last nerves. I hope all of these bills fail as dramatically as AZ's.

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