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Mon May 27, 2013, 06:44 PM

Good Lord! I Just Visited the Creation(ism) "Museum" in Kentucky (PIC HEAVY!)

Wowza. So I just flew out here to Indianapolis for a few days to check out the campus of IUPUI (Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis) to see if I might want to transfer after I graduate with my A.S. degree from my community college next year -- they have a pretty decent neuroscience program from what it looks like, so I'm just going to check the campus out, meet with some advisers, talk to some alumni, etc.

But, of course, today being Memorial Day, everything's closed, so I had to figure out what to do with myself this fine Monday afternoon. On my way from the airport to the nearby hotel yesterday one of those changing electronic freeway bill-boards caught my eye: "Creation Museum." It didn't occur to me until this morning to actually Google it and find out how close it was to here (only a 2-hour drive) so with nothing better to do, I said: "What the hell? I've got to see this for myself."



When I arrived at the compound (yes, it was gated with a tall, thick metal perimeter fence, presumably to keep vandals out) I was greeted by a visible security presence, with guards dressed complete in state trooper hat and everything. (No weapons at least!) That one was just directing traffic, but there were more inside to make sure you minded your p's and q's.



You may have read on PZ Myers' blog about what happens when you attempt to question the "sanctioned" narrative -- you quickly get shown the door. They have one particular point-of-view to present, and they are NOT open to discussion.



After grabbing a quick bite to eat in Noah's Cafe (tried their "Eden Wrap", their only vegetarian option -- basically a salad wrapped in a tortilla, with a bland hummus spread) I declined to get my picture taken against one of those green back-drops that they later super-imposed dinosaurs around you (remember, dinosaurs lived along-side men, don't ya know?)





Inside the main hall was a bunch of science fail. On the one hand, they try to make the claim that the wide variety of life on Earth is impossible to have come from any single ancestor (therefore God must have done it), yet on the other hand (like with those finches), they point out how much such diversity there is still within the same species, how they can all inter-breed, therefore (you guessed it) -- God must have done it.





More science fail:





It really is amazing the kinds of contortions of logic, the hoops they jump through to try to sell their idea of a Young Earth. They honestly believe that if you don't take Genesis literally, if the Earth really isn't 6000 years old, then that means the entire Bible is suspect. Of course, they are right (about the entire Bible being suspect), but instead of adapting their views in light of overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary, they've decided to double-down on the Young Earth B.S. and try to twist the evidence to fit their carefully crafted narrative.

Oh, and they are REALLY obsessed with dinosaurs/monster-legends:





That came out kind of blurry, that's supposed to be Nessie in the North Atlantic there...



The only thing missing is Jesus riding a dinosaur!







They really don't like that Templeton dude either.

Turns out I just missed the "featured guest speaker" who was giving a talk titled "Is Evolution Compatible with Christianity?" -- three guesses what the answer to that one is.



At the end of the tour, I left feeling kind of sad, but hopeful. Sad because of so much ignorance being parlayed as fact to the uneducated masses -- but hopeful, because if their focus on biology inspires even a few kids to become fascinated by it so much to pursue it in college, they will have their bubbles burst in due time. When the sheer amount of evidence for evolution becomes apparent, as it does in even sophomore-level Biology courses, not only will the myth of Young Earth Creationism be destroyed, but likely their entire faith along with it.

I really can't help but think, just like the Westboro idiots, they do more to damage to Christianity's brand than they do to promote it. Because by unwittingly planting that seed, by inspiring kids to become interested in science and the amazing mysteries of life, they are in fact digging their own grave. Because curiosity will only lead to more questions, and down that path are different answers, answers not found in their precious, Holy Bible.

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Reply Good Lord! I Just Visited the Creation(ism) "Museum" in Kentucky (PIC HEAVY!) (Original post)
LAGC May 2013 OP
Curmudgeoness May 2013 #1
dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #2
skepticscott May 2013 #3
awoke_in_2003 May 2013 #44
LAGC May 2013 #4
alfredo May 2013 #20
immoderate May 2013 #5
michigandem58 May 2013 #6
JBoy May 2013 #7
abq e streeter May 2013 #8
ErikJ May 2013 #9
tblue May 2013 #28
No Vested Interest May 2013 #10
alfredo May 2013 #22
No Vested Interest May 2013 #37
alfredo May 2013 #38
No Vested Interest May 2013 #39
alfredo May 2013 #40
Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #11
bvar22 May 2013 #16
alfredo May 2013 #23
Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #26
alfredo May 2013 #30
limpyhobbler May 2013 #12
alfredo May 2013 #24
nolabear May 2013 #13
yourout May 2013 #14
trixicopper May 2013 #15
MNBrewer May 2013 #17
bvar22 May 2013 #18
Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel May 2013 #25
sulphurdunn May 2013 #19
EC May 2013 #21
7wo7rees May 2013 #27
Apophis May 2013 #29
colsohlibgal May 2013 #31
sakabatou May 2013 #32
pink-o Jun 2013 #46
Kablooie May 2013 #33
defacto7 May 2013 #34
A HERETIC I AM May 2013 #35
rexcat May 2013 #36
dimbear May 2013 #41
Loup Garou May 2013 #42
awoke_in_2003 May 2013 #43
progressoid Jun 2013 #45
2ndAmForComputers Jun 2013 #47

Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 07:00 PM

1. Wow, I can't believe you really did it!

But you did! I had an opportunity to go once, and I turned it down. I was curious, but not enough to want to give them a penny to get in. But I have often thought I should have done it, just to see how far they went.

Thanks for being the one to satisfy my curiosity.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 07:16 PM

2. oboy...do I have questions.

First...how much does it cost to get in?

2nd...what the hell is "carnivory"???

Were there a lot of attendees?

Interesting that a visitor's first greeting is threats of illegal inspection of your car.

Thank you for attending and sharing with us..
did you have urge for a shower afterwards?

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #2)

Mon May 27, 2013, 07:26 PM

3. Carnivory is animals eating each other

In the good old days in the Garden of Eden, before Eve fucked everything up, lions apparently laid down with lambs, and everyone just had wedge salad for lunch (no bacon in the dressing, of course). It wasn't until sin came along that Simba (and humans) found out how good Bambi and Thumper taste.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #3)

Fri May 31, 2013, 07:56 PM

44. Thanks god for Eve...

I couldn't imagine a salad without bacon bits

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #2)

Mon May 27, 2013, 07:31 PM

4. Answers.

1) How much does it cost to get in?

Adult (13-59 yrs): $29.95**
Senior (60 yrs & up): $23.95
Children (5-12 yrs): $15.95
Children (under 5 yrs.): FREE

** Adults receive a $5 discount on Tuesdays and Wednesdays (must be their slow days)

2) What the hell is "carnivory?"

I think they mean carnivorous animals (meat-eaters) -- supposedly we were all meant to be herbivores/vegetarians until man (woman) sinned. After that it was animal-eat-animal.

3) Were there a lot of attendees?

Quite a few. The parking lot was near-full as far as I could tell, but I saw a (fire inspector) sign saying maximum capacity of the building was over 4000(!) people.

4) Did you have urge for a shower afterwards?

First thing I did once I got back to the hotel.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #2)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:47 PM

20. They say the museum is really fun on mobile home meth and Red Bull.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 08:08 PM

5. Thanks for the pics! Creepy place.



--imm

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 08:17 PM

6. Here ya go

 

Welcome and Prepare to Believe

The state-of-the-art 70,000 square foot museum brings the pages of the Bible to life, casting its characters and animals in dynamic form and placing them in familiar settings. Adam and Eve live in the Garden of Eden. Children play and dinosaurs roam near Eden’s Rivers. The serpent coils cunningly in the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Majestic murals, great masterpieces brimming with pulsating colors and details, provide a backdrop for many of the settings.

http://creationmuseum.org/

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:03 PM

7. Thanks for this! Awesome!

I love how their "logical" explanations for things start with "the book of Genesis is fact, therefore ..."

Also, I'm not surprised at the cop-like security guards. Fundies are predictably authoritarians, and would get a boner at seeing that.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:07 PM

8. Too bad it's kind of expensive; I'd love to go

load up on some good drugs first .

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:08 PM

9. No pics of Jesus riding dinosaurs?

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #9)

Mon May 27, 2013, 10:28 PM

28. 1) What kinda mileage can you get on a dinosaur?

2) Did you have to get a license for your dinosaur? Either as a pet or as a vehicle. The pharisees surely could've used the money, am I right?

3) Why didn't Mary and Joseph ride a dino into Bethlehem? Would have been faster than a camel. Maybe dinosaurs cost more, I dunno.

4) Did they eat dinosaurs? I mean, you get one and dang, you don't have to go to market for a year. It'd feed your entire family—heck the whole town—on Christmas. Oh wait. Oh yeah.

I want answers, dangit!

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:12 PM

10. Perhaps you should do a review for TripAdvisor and

other travel review sites.
Your pics are great.
Thanks for sharing.
Actually, I live quite near this "Museum" but would never spend that much money to see this.

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Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #10)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:53 PM

22. That part of Kentucky is redneck heaven, Creation Museum, NASCAR track, and strip clubs.

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Response to alfredo (Reply #22)

Tue May 28, 2013, 01:08 PM

37. You may know better than I-

I'm in SW Ohio.

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Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #37)

Tue May 28, 2013, 01:27 PM

38. You are close to south east Indiana, that is your cross to bear.

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Response to alfredo (Reply #38)

Tue May 28, 2013, 03:44 PM

39. LOL.

SE IN can be pretty along the river, though.
Now that Cincy has a casino, traffic to IN will likely slow down.

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Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #39)

Tue May 28, 2013, 03:58 PM

40. There's not much else there.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:16 PM

11. "...tried their "Eden Wrap"..."

Next time, try their "Eve Wrap". It's a fish taco served under a fig leaf.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #11)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:41 PM

16. Gak...almost choked!

Good One!
LOL.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #11)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:56 PM

23. What do they call the hot dogs?

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Response to alfredo (Reply #23)

Mon May 27, 2013, 10:02 PM

26. Soft.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #26)

Mon May 27, 2013, 11:24 PM

30. Now that Adam knows daddy is watching, I guess it is a distraction.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:18 PM

12. Hay I've been there!

It's a blast.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #12)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:56 PM

24. How many brownies did you eat beforehand?

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:24 PM

13. Nice work! I noticed the sign says it's an outreach of "Answers in Genesis".

Here's their website. HOLY MOLEY!

http://www.answersingenesis.org

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:31 PM

14. Wow that is some serious delusion there.

Un-enlightened is a huge understatement.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:40 PM

15. I suppose rolling on the floor

in fits of laughter would be frowned upon.

Seriously, I wouldn't know whether to laugh, cry or just be horrified by the stupid. Probably a combination of all three.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:42 PM

17. God loves variety.... LOL

Except in

Dogma
Sexual orientation
Gender identification
Sexual practices
Diet.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:44 PM

18. "God LOVES Variety!"

...but HATES
Fags
Muslims
Liberals
The "Dark Races" who bear the mark of Cain,
and anybody who asks questions!

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #18)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:57 PM

25. ....and anybody who asks questions!

and if you do asks questions, then they always want to "convert" you. I have extended family members that are Bible thumpers, that's why I really hate holidays.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:45 PM

19. $40 million

in public money from the taxpayers of Kentucky helped finance that "private property."

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 09:49 PM

21. Well, I think this will trivialize their point of view

in the long run. They made their belief into an amusement park...they've equated it with Disneyland and fairytales. Kinda shows the real truth...it's a fairytale.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 10:11 PM

27. It's like paying to watch the 700 Club recorded live!

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 10:34 PM

29. I'd get myself kicked out of there.

 

I'd make a scene. There's too much stupid there and people deserve to hear the truth.

Gah. Reading this made me both angry and sad.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2013, 12:24 AM

31. Dumb Squared

What utter nonsense, provable nonsense. They ignore or distort provable science. much like the climate change scoffers, who claim scientists are divided on that issue when the vast majority of science people believe.

The people pushing this junk have real issues and the sad thing is they have to be warping the minds of youngsters. Just a day or so ago I read of a married couple whose religious beliefs against medicine had just snuffed the life of their 2nd young child from eminently treatable diseases, I call that murder. What the Hell is wrong with these people? I'd love to shake them silly myself.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2013, 02:06 AM

32. I'd loose brain cells if I went in.

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #32)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 08:09 PM

46. And lose even more cuz you'd need a whole bottle o' sumthin'

To get teh stupid out of your memory!!!

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2013, 02:35 AM

33. And nearly 50% of Americans believe this imbecillica.

No wonder the Republicans have such a strong showing in government with people like this choosing them.

It's like half our brain has withered into a tiny hardened pea and is rattling around inside our national skull.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2013, 03:22 AM

34. And God created every kind of bird, even the Finch kind...

Gag me with a stick... is that 2nd grade English or what?

....and he gave them the ability to "multiply on the earth".

It's called sex.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2013, 11:40 AM

35. You hit the nail on the head, but you didn't quite drive it home....

It really is amazing the kinds of contortions of logic, the hoops they jump through to try to sell their idea of a Young Earth. They honestly believe that if you don't take Genesis literally, if the Earth really isn't 6000 years old, then that means the entire Bible is suspect. Of course, they are right (about the entire Bible being suspect), but instead of adapting their views in light of overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary, they've decided to double-down on the Young Earth B.S. and try to twist the evidence to fit their carefully crafted narrative.


I take this line of thought a step further (and perhaps you do as well);

It's my opinion that the fervent defense of Genesis stems from the idea that if Genesis isn't a true and factual account, then the story of Adam and Eve isn't true.

If the story of Adam and Eve isn't true, then there was no fall from grace.

If there was no fall from grace, then there is no need for redemption.

If there is no need for redemption, then there is no need for Christ.

And if all the above is true (i.e. if the religious skeptics and atheists, et al have it right) then the entire book falls flat like the house of cards it is.

The fact that this museum exists proves that it didn't come into being in a vacuum. Consider how many state legislatures have promoted this kind of non science in their respective school curriculum.

It is all about shoring up a slowly fading theological premise. Christianity is getting backlash like it has never experienced before, primarily due to the internet, and church leaders and their political allies will be pushing back as hard as they can in the decades to come.

I find it amusing that when confronted with a factual argument to the contrary, one of the things yelled out by the theist is "Stop persecuting me!" I always think, Look...when the Atheist community runs a pogrom on Christians or carries out a 100 year inquisition during which everyone you know is either tortured until they renounce their religion or killed outright, THEN you can claim you are being persecuted. Until then, just shut the fuck up about being persecuted because it's clear you don't understand what the word means.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2013, 12:48 PM

36. I live about 35 miles...

driving distance (24 miles as the crow flies) from the "museum" but can't bring myself to go there. They would kick me out because I would not be able to not say something insulting. Across from the neighborhood I live is a very large mega-church that supports the type of nonsense the creation museum spouts. I just shake my head at the stupidity of these people.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2013, 09:19 PM

41. I see Beowulf is listed as one of the monsters. Both he and Grendl are going to be tiffed. n/t

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Wed May 29, 2013, 05:12 PM

42. never forget

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2013, 07:54 PM

43. I actually felt my IQ drop...

when I saw those two pics of the monsters of the world.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 01:04 AM

45. Holy shit.

That makes my brain hurt.

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Response to LAGC (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2013, 08:12 PM

47. You. Gave. Them. MONEY.

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