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Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:07 PM

Should There Be Limits to Public Expressions of Religious Freedom?

What if you were in an airport lounge working on your computer while awaiting your flight when a group of men enter the desk area of the lounge, take off their shoes, face Mecca and start praying?

This reportedly happened to FlyerTalk member NYTA while at the airport in Rome, who believes in freedom of religion but thought that the time and place for prayer by these men to be offiensive especially when non-denominational chapels are found in many airports and the airport in Rome supposedly has rooms in which to pray.

Were the men behaving inappropriately in that airport lounge in Rome?

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Reply Should There Be Limits to Public Expressions of Religious Freedom? (Original post)
yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2013 OP
zbdent Feb 2013 #1
Warpy Feb 2013 #2
Curmudgeoness Feb 2013 #3
ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2013 #7
Curmudgeoness Feb 2013 #8
ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2013 #11
Curmudgeoness Mar 2013 #13
awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #16
Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #4
LAGC Feb 2013 #5
Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #9
sinkingfeeling Feb 2013 #6
LAGC Mar 2013 #10
sinkingfeeling Mar 2013 #12
Act_of_Reparation Mar 2013 #14
ShadowLiberal Mar 2013 #15

Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:27 PM

1. and if a person made the sign of the cross as the flight was taking off?

Is that "offensive"?

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:36 PM

2. I don't think it was inappropriate

If you've ever been to one of those "non denominational" chapels you know they're European style, full of pews.

There wouldn't have been room in any of them for the group of men to face east and pray.

Mr. I-wanna-pretend-they-don't-exist needs to mind his own business. It's not like they were street preaching and demanding he convert to Islam. Nor were they interfering with his space or his work.

I'd have no problem ignoring something like that. Now if they'd been blocking the foot traffic by doing it in a corridor, there would have been a problem.

I suppose he'd been happier if they'd done it in a relatively empty men's room.

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:29 PM

3. I think that any public show of religion is in poor taste.

I understand that this is their belief, but if it is an expression that gets my attention, it is more than I find appropriate.

Let's be clear though. I don't think that the airport is the problem, or the time (since it seems that the times are very important to Muslims), but the problem is such a public display. I will condemn Christian displays of religion in the same way. Keep your beliefs and the practice of them to yourself.

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:46 AM

7. not to mention poor taste.

Imagine if I went to an Italian airport, set up a portable cooking surface, and began boiling pasta! Pastafarians would love it, but Italians would be exceedingly angry. YOU NEVER BOIL PASTA. That makes it too soft! Pasta, regardless of the faith or sect, can only be par-boiled.

Ramen!

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Response to ChairmanAgnostic (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 06:22 PM

8. Who says an old dog can't learn new tricks.

I have always been a pro-boil Pastafarian....I didn't know that there was any other option. You missionaries are marvels of knowledge.

Thanks for the laugh as well. Ramen to you too.

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:44 AM

11. AAAAAAAaaaaaaaagh! Not a Pro-Boil Sect Member!

You guys are just WRONG WRONG WRONG! The Flying Spaghetti Monster will have your sole boiled and fried! You pro-boil fanatics are as bad and as sinful as those misguided fools who worship the Antipasta! Salami, cheese, AND veggies included!

Shame Shame Shame!

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Response to ChairmanAgnostic (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 06:02 PM

13. This is why I love DU.

Some people, like you, can put more puns together in one post than I have ever seen. I am not one of them, but I do appreciate you.

So tell me, how freaking long would you have to "par-boil" macaroni before it is fit to eat without breaking a tooth? I partook in a communion of macaroni this evening for dinner, not overcooked, and I cannot imagine how your way can work. Your beliefs make no sense to me. I think you are wrong. My way is the true way.

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Response to ChairmanAgnostic (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 3, 2013, 02:51 PM

16. I love a good antipasta. nt

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:45 PM

4. personally i don't care in situations like that.

 

people can pray whenever they want as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. people praying to mecca is only about as infringing as perfume, that is it's passive, not active. it's IN public but it's not 'public' in the capital-P sense of crossing the wall of separation principle. if it was in school, during class, that's a different story. in an airport lounge? who cares. people plank in public, too. should that be banned? if we banned silly but harmless behavior life would be dull.

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Response to Phillip McCleod (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:11 AM

5. Planking?

I had to look that up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planking_%28fad%29

Crazy fads people come up with...

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Response to LAGC (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:02 PM

9. i had to see it on 'the office' rerun to know it existed.

 

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:19 AM

6. No. It is extremely common to see Muslim men praying in airports in Europe

and the Middle East.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 02:18 AM

10. Where?

In the public lounge areas or designated private prayer rooms?

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Response to LAGC (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 12:44 PM

12. I've seen them in lounge/waiting areas.

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2013, 12:10 AM

14. Honestly, no.

As long as they keep their religion out of my laws, I really couldn't give a rat's ass when and where they pray.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 2, 2013, 09:10 PM

15. Couldn't have said it better myself

As long as you aren't trying to force your religion and your religion's morality on me I don't care.

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