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FredisDead (392 posts)
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The Best of Sam Harris (Original post)
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Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:46 PM
Rob H. (4,844 posts)
4. The whole thing was excellent, and the last ~13 seconds were especially true
Regardless of one's other qualities, it's nigh-impossible to get elected in this country if you don't believe in some sort of higher power or, more specifically, supreme being. That shows that it isn't just a conservative problem, as a lot of liberal religious people would have everyone believe.
The even crazier part is when they're asked something like, "Was GW Bush a Christian?" a lot of them say, "No, if he were a Christian we wouldn't have gone to war in Iraq." Excuse me? He goes to church, reads the same bible and believes in the same god you do. You don't get to pull 'No True Scotsman' just because he makes you lot look bad, anymore than any liberal atheist with an ounce of integrity gets to claim that Hitchens wasn't really an atheist because no real atheist would have pushed for war with Iraq.
A lot of liberal believers (at least on this board) certainly are quick to claim sole credit for every single good thing that's happened throughout history, though. The hypocrisy is staggering.
Edited to add: Also, witness the hypocrisy surrounding Paul Ryan--the left and right both tried to claim that because he read and was a fan of Ayn Rand he was actually a "secret atheist," rather than a self-centered, selfish asshole who is also religious. "Oh, no! He's an awful person who's a fan of Ayn Rand and is also a devout Catholic? Impossible! ATHEIST! ATHEIST! ATHEIST!" ad nauseam into infinity.