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Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 09:34 PM Jun 2015

The Scientific Theories Behind 9 of the Biggest Mysteries in Music

The Scientific Theories Behind 9 of the Biggest Mysteries in Music
By Tom Barnes June 17, 2015

"Why does music, being just sounds, remind us of the states of our soul?" Aristotle once asked. His question has been asked again and again in various forms by the greatest minds in history. It baffled Darwin and Kant. In 1969, famed anthropologist Claude Levi Strauss called music "the supreme mystery of the science of man."

With the advent of modern neurological research and scientific inquiry, we've made some progress into finding out exactly how and why music works. But we're still far from answers on so many fronts. The smaller, more specific questions concerning music also elude us — questions like: Why do songs get stuck in our heads? Or why do we dance?

Here are some of the most intriguing questions about music we are only just beginning to understand.

When Darwin was constructing his theory of evolution, music was one of the most difficult adaptations he tried to explain. "Neither the enjoyment nor the capacity of producing musical notes are faculties of the least use to man in reference to his daily habits of life, they must be ranked among the most mysterious with which he is endowed," he wrote.

He believed music must serve some purpose in sexual selection, like bird song, helping males and females impress mates. Research out of University of Sussex suggests he might not be wrong. They found women at the peaks of their menstrual cycles were notably drawn to composers creating the most complex music.

But a number of scientists think music serves other adaptive functions even beyond reproduction. No historical or fossil record exists to prove this, but it's likely human music and language came from a common protomusical ancestor. Anthropologist Ellen Dissanayake suggested in 2009 that music's ability to synchronize people's bodily rhythms can help bond social groups and create kinship where there might be competition. Going even further, the Scientific American noted a 2012 study that proved music can also synchronize individuals' thoughts. Groups of humans that could master music might be better able to create a shared identity and thus survive.

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http://mic.com/articles/120860/the-scientific-theories-behind-9-of-the-biggest-mysteries-in-music

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The Scientific Theories Behind 9 of the Biggest Mysteries in Music (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jun 2015 OP
Interesting, but they missed one that mystifies me - why do minor chords imply sadness? NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #1
the brain KT2000 Jun 2015 #2
And why were Bach and Mozart so fucking awesome? longship Jun 2015 #3
The Mozart Effect PADemD Jun 2015 #4
Really? The Mozart Effect?? longship Jun 2015 #5
Music Therapy PADemD Jun 2015 #6
But the Mozart Effect is still utter rubbish. longship Jun 2015 #8
Environmental effects which do not affect gene sequences can still alter transcription ... eppur_se_muova Jun 2015 #9
Yup. Igel Jun 2015 #11
In some book 2naSalit Jun 2015 #7
The missing link Kaleva Jun 2015 #10

NRaleighLiberal

(60,006 posts)
1. Interesting, but they missed one that mystifies me - why do minor chords imply sadness?
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 10:10 PM
Jun 2015

And why do major 7 chords feel so good?

Music is simply incredible - one of my very favorite things, and my wife and I listen to hours each day, and have for decades.

KT2000

(20,568 posts)
2. the brain
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 10:37 PM
Jun 2015

Music to me has always been right up there with food and water. It feeds my soul is all I know. Then I was overexposed to some toxic chemicals - neurotoxins. Many things went wrong with memory and physical problems - pain, lack of coordination etc. Worst of all, I lost my appreciation and need for music. In fact I could not really even hear it except as more like percussion - very one dimensional.

It gradually came back after some years as did my other functionality. My guess is that the part of the brain that was injured halted the synapses and it took years to build new "circuits." Still can't play the piano though.

When people are injured by profitable chemicals no one really wants to know what happens, as in medicine and research. This is too bad because much can be learned from loss.

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. And why were Bach and Mozart so fucking awesome?
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 11:07 PM
Jun 2015

Bach (Goldberg Variations -- Glenn Gould, 1955):



Mozart (Le Nozze di Figaro: Giulini, Taddei, Wachter, Schwartzkopf, Moffo, and incredible Fiorenza Cossotto as Cherubino):





R&K

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
4. The Mozart Effect
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 11:36 PM
Jun 2015

Listening To Classical Music Enhances Gene Activity: An Update On The Mozart Effect

The results showed listening to classical music enhanced activity of genes involved in dopamine secretion (the feel good hormone), and “transport synaptic function, learning and memory.” One of the most up-regulated genes was synuclein-alpha (SNCA), which is a known risk gene for Parkinson’s disease.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/listening-classical-music-enhances-gene-activity-update-mozart-effect-325680

longship

(40,416 posts)
5. Really? The Mozart Effect??
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 11:49 PM
Jun 2015

I don't know about this study. I'll click through and read it. But I am very doubtful of any plausible mechanism for listening to music effecting ones genes.

One wonders what listening to Alban Berg would do to ones genes. Is there an Alban Berg effect? I don't know if humanity could survive such a thing, although I find Berg interesting. I suggest listening to Wozzeck to disabuse you of any adherence to a Mozart effect hypothesis.

IMHO, it is all rubbish.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
6. Music Therapy
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 11:55 PM
Jun 2015

Works very well for stroke patients.

My mother swore that, listening to Mozart for one hour every day after her stroke, helped her to overcome her speech aphasia.

You can find more information here:

http://www.musictherapy.org/research/factsheets/

longship

(40,416 posts)
8. But the Mozart Effect is still utter rubbish.
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 12:46 AM
Jun 2015

Yup, listening to music has many psychological effects. And Mozart certainly is pleasant. But I also like Alban Berg and Charles Ives, which I think not very many people would find pleasant. Yet they also inspire me.

So what does this say about the Mozart Effect? And how about the Elvis Presley effect (those poor lost souls)? One might as well call it the music effect. But that would be merely acknowledging something humankind has known since cave dwellers first hummed to themselves at night alone.

And I write this as one who absolutely adores Mozart. (And yup. I hate Elvis, a uniquely tasteless individual.) But music is something we all share. One persons Mozart is another persons Elvis (horrors!). And don't get me started about modern popular music. I guess ones taste is in ones own mouth, or ones ears.

As Duke Ellington said: If the music sounds good, it is good.

And as Samuel Clemens said to a reporter upon exiting a performance of a Wagner opera: Wagner's music isn't as bad as it sounds.

But I think it would be a big mistake to attribute any biological effects to music beyond its unmistakable psychological effects. But genes? Nope.

My best to you.

eppur_se_muova

(36,247 posts)
9. Environmental effects which do not affect gene sequences can still alter transcription ...
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 10:29 AM
Jun 2015

the effects may or may not be heritable.

While at first blush this sounds like Lamarckism, in fact it is part of the basis for the new science of epigenetics.

This is not to agree or disagree with the "Mozart Effect"'s proponents, but it is worth knowing something about before declaring that environment -- even "merely" psychological effects in the environment -- cannot alter physiology.

Igel

(35,274 posts)
11. Yup.
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 01:21 PM
Jun 2015

The original study was replicated but ultimately it was data-dredging, sloppy controls, and poor analysis.

Data dredging is the bane of big data. You look until you find the data you need, then you publish.


Pleasant things trigger dopamine release. Music, for some, is a pleasant thing.

Dopamine release depends on proteins and dopamine production. For that, genes need to be activated.

Mozart triggers gene activation.

So does ice cream. And chili pickle.

2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
7. In some book
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 12:35 AM
Jun 2015

on mysticism and archaic beliefs I read many years back, indicated that tone and connectivity of tone had an effect on the spirit, thus chanting and song were thought to be a method of connecting to the soul and the spiritual environment/ether. I thought that was rather profound but having been a vocalist all my life, I can see where that concept has some truth to it. When singing in a choir, especially classical type genres, it becomes a spiritual event when so many individuals are breathing and phonating in synchronized form. It is quite moving to be a participant, especially when performing Mozart and other masters' works.

When I get depressed, I find that music helps bring me back around, particularly when I have other musicians to make music with.

I also read, when investigating the Hebrew alphabet, that each letter has a tone quality attributed to it as well as a color and an element.

A huge topic, I do agree as a practitioner of music, there is something about it that connects all living things in one way or another.

Thanks for posting this, very interesting.

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