Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:11 PM
Eugene (15,682 posts)
Four US states considering laws that challenge teaching of evolution
Source: The Guardian
Four US states considering laws that challenge teaching of evolution Paul Harris in New York guardian.co.uk, Thursday 31 January 2013 16.31 GMT Four US states are considering new legislation about teaching science in schools, allowing pupils to to be taught religious versions of how life on earth developed in what critics say would establish a backdoor way of questioning the theory of evolution. Fresh legislation has been put forward in Colorado, Missouri and Montana. In Oklahoma, there are two bills before the state legislature that include potentially creationist language. A watchdog group, the National Center for Science Education, said that the proposed laws were framed around the concept of "academic freedom". It argues that religious motives are disguised by the language of encouraging more open debate in school classrooms. However, the areas of the curriculum highlighted in the bills tend to focus on the teaching of evolution or other areas of science that clash with traditionally religious interpretations of the world. "Taken at face value, they sound innocuous and lovely: critical thinking, debate and analysis. It seems so innocent, so pure. But they chose to question only areas that religious conservatives are uncomfortable with. There is a religious agenda here," said Josh Rosenau, an NCSE program and policy director. -snip- Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/31/states-laws-challenge-teaching-evolution
|
20 replies, 771 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| Eugene | Jan 2013 | OP | |
| sakabatou | Jan 2013 | #1 | |
| fizzgig | Jan 2013 | #2 | |
| elleng | Jan 2013 | #3 | |
| fizzgig | Jan 2013 | #8 | |
| caraher | Jan 2013 | #13 | |
| elleng | Jan 2013 | #17 | |
| caraher | Feb 2013 | #18 | |
| elleng | Feb 2013 | #19 | |
| Initech | Jan 2013 | #5 | |
| fizzgig | Jan 2013 | #9 | |
| southernyankeebelle | Jan 2013 | #4 | |
| Angry Dragon | Jan 2013 | #6 | |
| denverbill | Jan 2013 | #7 | |
| msongs | Jan 2013 | #10 | |
| aka-chmeee | Jan 2013 | #11 | |
| caraher | Jan 2013 | #12 | |
| Posteritatis | Jan 2013 | #14 | |
| Laochtine | Jan 2013 | #15 | |
| TheIronyLovesCompany | Jan 2013 | #16 | |
| progressoid | Feb 2013 | #20 |
Response to Eugene (Original post)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:14 PM
sakabatou (29,247 posts)
1. Of course. They pulled this shit before
Response to Eugene (Original post)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:16 PM
fizzgig (17,749 posts)
2. the right in colorado seems a bit loonier this year
|
this is the first time it's come up in my lifetime. and they want to extend it to colleges and universities.
*headdesk* |
Response to fizzgig (Reply #2)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:20 PM
elleng (40,928 posts)
3. OK in colleges, and universities,
|
where critical thinking SHOULD be encouraged; not so much in primary school, not as to science anyway. IMO
|
Response to elleng (Reply #3)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 02:18 PM
fizzgig (17,749 posts)
8. science deals with facts
|
religion deals with belief and religious beliefs should not be taught alongside science. it can be debated if brought up, but science teachers should not be asked to teach it.
here's a line from the bill The educational authorities of higher education in Colorado shall also endeavor to assist teachers to find more effective ways to present science curriculum where it addresses scientific controversies. and my tax dollars still go to public colleges and universities. if someone wants to learn creationism, let them go to a private college. |
Response to elleng (Reply #3)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:35 PM
caraher (3,646 posts)
13. Critical thinking is appropriate before college, but
|
this is about providing a back door for bringing in discredited anti-science propaganda.
|
Response to caraher (Reply #13)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:57 PM
elleng (40,928 posts)
17. Right, which is why I suggested they wait.
|
Science is too important to enable youngsters to be propagandized. Youth, with decent primary (and high school) science backgrounds, should be prepared to be critical.
|
Response to elleng (Reply #17)
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:08 PM
caraher (3,646 posts)
18. I guess the other issue is teachers
|
Too many (not all!) elementary teachers are, frankly, afraid of science. It's a shame because kids are natural scientists - they want to know how things work!
|
Response to caraher (Reply #18)
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:19 PM
elleng (40,928 posts)
19. Right, and creative teachers,
|
and teachers who are encouraged by their administrations to be such, can make science, and learning science, fun.
One example. (Sorry, don't have pic here.) 'As part of their study of lenses, these 4th grade scientists observed the difference between looking at things with their eyes, with binoculars, and then with two telescopes.' This from my daughters' elementary school. (Daughters are adults now.) |
Response to fizzgig (Reply #2)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:30 PM
Initech (39,557 posts)
5. Do a Google search on religious right + Air Force Academy. They're a lot crazier than you think.
Response to Initech (Reply #5)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 02:20 PM
fizzgig (17,749 posts)
9. oh, i know they're batshit down there
|
i should have said the right in the leg, i just never expected this to come up here.
|
Response to Eugene (Original post)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:25 PM
southernyankeebelle (10,920 posts)
4. They are determine to undermind critical thinking. Also science to me are facts where
|
religion of creationism is a crock. Our children are expected to go out in the big world and compete with other nations for jobs of the future. Having science put in the back sit or room is going to hurt the kids who really want to learn science for their future.
|
Response to Eugene (Original post)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:38 PM
Angry Dragon (24,073 posts)
6. I say go for it as long as they have facts to back up their views
Response to Eugene (Original post)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:51 PM
denverbill (10,551 posts)
7. In some ways, I almost wish they'd get their wish.
|
Most science teachers are probably not religious fundies. Sure let's take a look at the science behind the creation story and see how evidence for Creationism stacks up against evolution. Or how evidence of the age of the universe stacks up against the 6000 year old earth story. Maybe we continue on with calculating the dimensions and materials required to create an ark big enough to provide housing and food for every species on earth for weeks, and how they managed to populate the new world and Australia with species not found in the Middle East where the ark landed. And then on to Jonah and the three days he spent living inside a whale.
|
Response to Eugene (Original post)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 02:30 PM
msongs (30,809 posts)
10. christians can't win the debate via churches so they want to hijack public schools in the "name"
|
of science. maybe they should try it in literature classes, science...fiction
|
Response to Eugene (Original post)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:23 PM
aka-chmeee (295 posts)
11. Really disturbing BUT....
|
At least it isn't Kansas this time!
|
Response to Eugene (Original post)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:32 PM
caraher (3,646 posts)
12. They forget Indiana
|
Under the bland title "Teaching Methods"
|
Response to Eugene (Original post)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:38 PM
Posteritatis (17,452 posts)
14. And they'll all last five minutes into their first court challenge
|
Love Kitzmiller v. Dover.
|
Response to Eugene (Original post)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:13 PM
Laochtine (310 posts)
15. Accredited Colleges and Universities
|
Should state that they will not admit kids with a creation science background until the learn Evolution.
That might give the fundies pause. |
Response to Eugene (Original post)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:28 PM
TheIronyLovesCompany (5 posts)
16. That's a new one
|
Wow, never thought I'd see the Right take a stand for academic freedom. As long as it's academics saying some ancient hoary book is smarter than scientists, they'll sign off on it.
|
Response to Eugene (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:02 PM
progressoid (27,384 posts)
20. critical thinking, debate, analysis & creationism
|
|

