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Wed Mar 28, 2012, 11:43 PM

Any other Carl Jung fans here???

I've been reading his stuff and it has been very enlightening for this "introverted sensation" type. The stuff on mandalas blew my mind, explaining the circular images that occasionally pop into my head when daydreaming

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Reply Any other Carl Jung fans here??? (Original post)
Odin2005 Mar 2012 OP
Gurgen4 Apr 2012 #1
GliderGuider Apr 2012 #2
mecherosegarden Feb 2013 #10
Odin2005 Apr 2012 #3
Shagman May 2012 #7
GliderGuider May 2012 #8
tama Apr 2012 #4
Still Blue in PDX Apr 2012 #5
Omniscientone May 2012 #6
deJong Nov 2012 #9

Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Wed Apr 4, 2012, 03:37 AM

1. No offense, but...

 

I've always considered Carl Jung more or less a reactionary and banal fool especially when you put him beside Freud and Marx and his other contemporaries.

Here are some examples of Jung's morally and logically bankrupt ideology. Most of it is subversive, insidious and downright creepy.

"Your vision will become clear only when you can look into your own heart. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes." (Makes no sense whatsoever)

Man needs difficulties; they are necessary for health. (Huh?)

In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder a secret order. (Kant actually refuted this line of thaught.)

The most terrifying thing is to accept oneself completely. (Especially if you're a mass murderer, a Nazi, a boor. )

I have treated many hundreds of patients. Among those in the second half of life - that is to say, over 35 - there has not been one whose problem in the last resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life. (Reactionary bullshit.)

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Response to Gurgen4 (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:48 PM

2. Interesting. I read all the quotes you posted

and found them self-evident, obviously true in my own experience. I find Jung's insight much deeper than Freud's.

It's interesting how two such intelligent people as you and I can have such polar opposite views of life, isn't it?

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Response to GliderGuider (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 08:12 AM

10. +1

N/T

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Response to Gurgen4 (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 08:17 PM

3. he was speaking from a psychological prespective, not a philosophical one.

He was speaking of lived human experience rather than metaphysics. And he is using "Religion" in a different way most people use it today.

The most terrifying thing is to accept oneself completely. (Especially if you're a mass murderer, a Nazi, a boor. )


He was speaking of the Shadow complex, here. The things we hate and deny in ourselves are what you repress and then project onto other people.

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Response to Gurgen4 (Reply #1)

Sun May 27, 2012, 12:54 PM

7. easy to misinterpret

You need a little background in Eastern thought systems before Jung's deeper meanings make any sense. He seems to have foreseen some of our postmodern avenues of scientific research, such as chaos theory and quantum mechanics, which were also informed by Eastern thought. I'm not keen on synchronicity, but that may be because I don't understand quantum physics as well as I'd like.

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Response to Shagman (Reply #7)

Mon May 28, 2012, 08:32 PM

8. The idea of synchronicity feels like an intuitive recognition of quantum entanglement.

Physicists hate it when we say things like that.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 10:55 AM

4. Yup

 

I've read only the autobiography and bits from here and there. His influence spreads to many directions. A local public shaman tells that reading Jung during his most difficult time helped him a lot not to feel so alone with his experiences. Pauli, one of the fathers of Quantum theory, shared Jung's interest in what Jung called synchronicity: http://www.metanexus.net/essay/wolfgang-pauli-carl-jung-and-acausal-connecting-principle-case-study-transdisciplinarity

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 10:39 PM

5. I sort of know about jungian archetypes as they apply to the Tarot.

That's all.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2012, 01:03 AM

6. I have just discovered Jung's stuff

and it is fantastic. I want to get my hands on The Red Book and read it.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:30 PM

9. fan

I've been a fan of Jung since I was a teen and read Memories, Dreams, Reflections. He inspired me to go to school and become a psychologist. And those quotes that the earlier poster was disparaging? They all make sense to me. And it's pretty easy to take a single sentence out of context and mock it.

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