I need some quick advice -

i am doing the reading at the vigil tomorrow night about Exodus. My understanding is that when the reading says "God made Pharaoh obstinate" the sense is more that God allowed Pharoah to be obstinate than He forced him to be obstinate. Any ideas how to convey that meaning?

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I need some quick advice - (Original post)	hedgehog	Apr 2012	OP
Interesting point	47of74	Apr 2012	#1
I agree - it sounds like the translators kept the literal phrase	hedgehog	Apr 2012	#3
Here are a couple of comments.	rug	Apr 2012	#2
Keil & Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament	LARED	Apr 2012	#4

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Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:56 PM

47of74 (6,650 posts)

1. Interesting point

I wonder if this is another one of the passages where the original meaning got lost in translation?

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Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:05 AM

hedgehog (30,378 posts)

3. I agree - it sounds like the translators kept the literal phrase

but lost the meaning. I'm still trying to figure out how to get this across tonight.

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Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:02 AM

rug (47,147 posts)

2. Here are a couple of comments.

http://vita-nostra-in-ecclesia.blogspot.com/2010/03/ten-plagues-of-egypt-objections-and.html

http://ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage_print.asp?number=394007&language=en

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Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:20 AM

LARED (11,735 posts)

4. Keil & Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament

Has a view that God hardened Pharaohs heart to glorify Himself.

Exo 14:4 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and he will pursue them, and I will get glory over Pharaoh and all his host, and the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD." And they did so.

Three times (Exo_14:4, Exo_14:8, and Exo_14:17) it is stated that Jehovah hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he pursued the Israelites, to show that God had decreed this hardening, to glorify Himself in the judgment and death of the proud king, who would not honour God, the Holy One, in his life. “And the children of Israel were going out with a high hand:” Exo_14:8. is a conditional clause in the sense of, “although they went out” (Ewald, §341). רָמָה יָד, the high hand, is the high hand of Jehovah with the might which it displayed (Isa_26:11), not the armed hand of the Israelites. This is the meaning also in Num_33:3; it is different in Num_15:30. The very fact that Pharaoh did not discern the lifting up of Jehovah's hand in the exodus of Israel displayed the hardening of his heart. “Beside Pihachiroth:” see Exo_14:2.

http://www.worldwithoutend.info/start/books/k-d/02-exodus/kd-exodus-14.htm

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