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Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:13 AM

Please help me understand the doctrine

We all know the Pope is infallible. But what happens when the Pope resigns. Does he become fallible again?

That doesn't seem quite fair. Isn't he the same man he was yesterday? Why wouldn't he remain infallible?

If you have a new Pope and an ex-Pope, both being infallible, and they disagree about something, which one is right?

And there is no question the Pope was infallible at the moment when he announced his resignation, so his resignation must be part of his infallibility, right? But it wouldn't make any sense for an infallible being to make himself fallible, because that would mean he was never infallible in the first place, or else such a thing wouldn't have been possible.

I'm so confused.

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Response to BlueStreak (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:19 AM

1. If he resigns, he's no longer pope. And he's considered 'infallible' ONLY in this instance:

"...the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church".

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:26 AM

2. So he is infallible when dealing with ALL Christians?

but he isn't infallible when dealing with Jews, Muslims, or atheists?

Do the Baptists agree about that?

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:32 AM

3. He speaks only for the RC church and its members.

Of course, many members ignore this doctrine as I am sure most others do as well.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:45 AM

5. The infallibility, under specific conditions, applies to defining matters of faith and morals.

Like anything else, anyone is free to take it or leave it. But, if you take it, that is what you take.

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Response to rug (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:45 AM

7. So are we to understand that it was the will of God that

this Pope continue to protect the priests who had molested so many children? That would seem to fit well under the category heading of "morals".

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:57 PM

8. No, we are not to understand that.

If you are to understand that, I suggest you realize where you are before proceeding further.

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Response to rug (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:11 PM

9. Are you threatening to not give me a valentine?

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:13 PM

10. I am saying it would be my pleasure to block you for violating a safe haven group.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:16 PM

11. Have you forgotten where you are?

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Response to BlueStreak (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:43 AM

4. It's a function of the office, not the person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

It's really pretty straightforward.

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Response to rug (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:23 AM

6. Thanks for helping me out here.

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