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Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:05 AM

Good Reads: What is it like after I die

Very interesting thread on afterlife! I love it when science intersects with spirit!!!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101646758

author's link:


http://www.robertlanza.com/does-death-exist-new-theory-says-no-2/


Does Death Exist? New Theory Says ‘No’

Many of us fear death. We believe in death because we have been told we will die. We associate ourselves with the body, and we know that bodies die. But a new scientific theory suggests that death is not the terminal event we think.

One well-known aspect of quantum physics is that certain observations cannot be predicted absolutely. Instead, there is a range of possible observations each with a different probability. One mainstream explanation, the “many-worlds” interpretation, states that each of these possible observations corresponds to a different universe (the ‘multiverse’). A new scientific theory – called biocentrism – refines these ideas. There are an infinite number of universes, and everything that could possibly happen occurs in some universe. Death does not exist in any real sense in these scenarios. All possible universes exist simultaneously, regardless of what happens in any of them. Although individual bodies are destined to self-destruct, the alive feeling – the ‘Who am I?’- is just a 20-watt fountain of energy operating in the brain. But this energy doesn’t go away at death. One of the surest axioms of science is that energy never dies; it can neither be created nor destroyed. But does this energy transcend from one world to the other?

Consider an experiment that was recently published in the journal Science showing that scientists could retroactively change something that had happened in the past. Particles had to decide how to behave when they hit a beam splitter. Later on, the experimenter could turn a second switch on or off. It turns out that what the observer decided at that point, determined what the particle did in the past. Regardless of the choice you, the observer, make, it is you who will experience the outcomes that will result. The linkages between these various histories and universes transcend our ordinary classical ideas of space and time. Think of the 20-watts of energy as simply holo-projecting either this or that result onto a screen. Whether you turn the second beam splitter on or off, it’s still the same battery or agent responsible for the projection.

According to Biocentrism, space and time are not the hard objects we think. Wave your hand through the air – if you take everything away, what’s left? Nothing. The same thing applies for time. You can’t see anything through the bone that surrounds your brain. Everything you see and experience right now is a whirl of information occurring in your mind. Space and time are simply the tools for putting everything together.

http://www.robertlanza.com/does-death-exist-new-theory-says-no-2/

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magical thyme Nov 2012 OP
kentauros Nov 2012 #1
d_r Nov 2012 #2
kentauros Nov 2012 #6
magical thyme Nov 2012 #11
magical thyme Nov 2012 #3
SheilaT Nov 2012 #4
orleans Nov 2012 #8
magical thyme Nov 2012 #5
kentauros Nov 2012 #7
magical thyme Nov 2012 #10
kentauros Nov 2012 #12
magical thyme Nov 2012 #13
kentauros Nov 2012 #14
magical thyme Nov 2012 #15
Delphinus Nov 2012 #9

Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:38 AM

1. I'll have to read this at lunch :)

And send a copy to my past-wife. She loves anything to do with NDEs. Have you read Anita Moorjani's book? I'm almost finished, and hope to do a review of it on my blog.

Thanks for posting this!

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Response to kentauros (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:43 AM

2. energy can not be created or destroyed

but I turn off the light all the time. It's dark.

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Response to d_r (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:14 PM

6. As I fully expected, the septics pounced on that thread,

unable to accept that consciousness could exist after death of the brain/body. This is why they'll agree with you that energy cannot be destroyed, but disagree with the rest of us that the same energy will continue to be organized into a mind. More like (to them) it will dissipate. The energy is still there, just in a state too diffuse to be a consciousness

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Response to d_r (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:52 PM

11. When you are the energy

you are not turned off. You are turned into another form of energy.

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Response to kentauros (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:18 PM

3. haven't read it...

Is she the woman who was featured on Wayne Dyer's most recent PBS program? If so, I saw her.

Ok, now I'm reading about Dr. Lanza (who is, btw, really attractive....oohlala! lol) and it turns out he currently lives in a working class town practically next door to the working class town I lived in before moving to Maine. And his company is in the same small town that my career was in. Dam.....I have such sucky timing!

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Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:00 PM

4. You might also want to look at

the Michael Newtonbooks, Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls. Absolutely amazing.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:53 AM

8. and there is a movie called 'the flipside'

which was inspired by newton's work/books--the film is by richard martini
http://flipsidethefilm.com/
i listened to martini on george nooray and the show was extremely interesting
from his website;
"What happens after we die? Author and award winning filmmaker Richard Martini explores startling new evidence for life after death, via the "life between lives," where we reportedly return to find our loved ones, soul mates and spiritual teachers. Based on the evidence of thousands who claim under deep hypnosis they experienced the same basic things about the Afterlife, the book interviews hypnotherapists trained in the method pioneered by Dr. Michael Newton, as well as actual between life sessions. The author goes on the same journey with startling and candid results, learning we are fully conscious between lives, return to connect with loved ones and spiritual soul mates, and together choose how and when we'll reincarnate. "Karmic law" is trumped by "Free will" with souls choosing difficult lives in order to learn from their spiritually; life choices appear to be made in advance, with the help of loved ones, soul mates and wise elders. Extensively researched, breathtaking in scope, "Flipside" takes the reader into new territory, boldly going where no author has gone before to tie up the various disciplines of past life regression, near death experiences, and between life exploration. "

life between lives topic is fascinating

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Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:31 PM

5. on Dr. Lanza....and this is what makes this so very, very cool!

He is a leading western medicine biologist at the forefront of stem cell research and cloning. He was the first person to clone a human embryo. He has successfully cloned endangered species. He is the Chief Science Officer at the Mass-based genetic research company that is using stem cell research and cloning to grow new tissues, such as retinal tissue to cure macular degeneration, to grow cardiac tissue to repair hearts, etc.

IOW, he is at the heart and center of western science and western medicine.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:18 PM

7. He does sound to be quite qualified in the sciences

to make these claims. I only hope the rest of their community can take the same steps forward that he's doing. They are very quick to comment in the negative and seemingly loathe to ponder the concepts presented by "one of their own"

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Response to kentauros (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:47 PM

10. Not this time around...

He isn't just a leader in his field; he's one of the top scientists in the world, being compared by his own to Einstein. One of the positive book reviewers is a Nobel winner.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:33 PM

12. I'm not trying to dismiss this or be negative,

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honestly

Only that I'm jaded by how the science community, in general, often reacts to things like this. I do hope that it takes off and gets a consensus. The detractors will then have to either go along to get along or keep quiet.

I really do wish some of our DU members would get over their problems with people other than scientists using "quantum physics/mechanics" as if they are the only ones "allowed" to use them, and anyone else doing so is automatically a "woo purveyor." It's rather tiresome. (sorry about the run-on sentence )

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Response to kentauros (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 07:51 PM

13. It won't get a consensus overnight or any time soon

But this seems like it could be a potential starting point for some serious, research. The nobel scientist that reviewed the book thought of it as something very worthwhile for scientists to read and think about. If that happens, they will start the "what if" thinking that can lead to experiments. When they start experiments that can be duplicated and peer reviewed, that's when it will start finding a consensus, or not.

I suspect the problem scientists have with non-scientists have with trying to use quantum physics/mechanics is that we have no idea what we are talking about so inadvertently abuse the science.

It reminds me of a writer colleague who started telling me everything that was supposedly wrong about my arabian gelding, who was a New England and Regional grand champion on the line when he was a baby. She had read a book about arabians, so she thought she "knew" the breed. In fact, her knowledge was about 1/8" deep, and not very broad either. She knew *nothing* about the modern strains of the breed, nor the original strains and types. She knew nothing about the history or genetic origin. She also knew nothing in depth about horses.

But she could quote the marketing-type coffee table books that give a superficial description of the idealized egyptian royalty strain bred to be "living art" and so she thought she "knew" all about arabians.

Since she had absolutely no idea what she was talking about, she abused and insulted my experience and knowledge with criticism and condescension based in ignorance.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:48 PM

14. I know there are plenty that don't know what they're talking about

with regards to quantum physics and other hard sciences. However, there are then people like Bruce Lipton or Jude Currivan that not only have doctoral degrees in these sciences, but have done the work, the research, involved in their fields. However, because they are also associated with the likes of us, they are automatically dismissed as purveyors of woo. At least, that's for what I read either on DU or some other blogs they also quote.

I agree that the "what if" scenarios are the way to get this going, to get people in the sciences thinking, pondering, imagining. We will just have to learn to dismiss the dismissers

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Response to kentauros (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:33 AM

15. They're entitled to their opinions...

and if that means we just continue along as if they don't exist, that is ok too. Our day will come.

A lot of breakthrough scientists are dissed early on, until the few that figure out a way to work with their ideas start showing results...

When I did my final microbiology presentation project on prions, my professor sat in the back of the room squirming in his seat, rolling his eyes and visibly struggling to keep from jumping up and shutting me down as I started with the "wrong" scientist hypothesizing a protein-based pathogen, and how she was ridiculed and dissed for proposing such an "impossible" scenario.

And then I jumped forward 15 years to the better known, high positioned, male scientist who proposed the identical hypothesis, cleverly named the malformed proteins "Prions" (the real acronym is proins, but that didn't sound good enough so he transposed the i and o) and won the Nobel prize for "his" ideas.

Suddenly the same professor who had taken pleasure in ridiculing me for a semester and could barely contain himself, shrank into his seat and looked like he wanted to crawl under the bench! He spent the rest of my presentation enthralled...and then terrified as I described the continued failed efforts to destroy these incredibly stable proteins that can't seem to be denatured no matter what the eff you do to them

Our day will come.

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Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:02 AM

9. Now that the election is over,

it's time for me to settle in and read things like this. I did pick-up two books by Medium George Anderson and am enjoying reading them.

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