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http://www.providencejournal.com/breaking-news/content/20130728-r.i.-episcopal-bishop-w.-nicholas-knisely-bridges-the-religion-science-divide.eceJuly 28, 2013 01:00 AM
Frieda Squires/The Providence Journal
W. Nicholas Knisely, the bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Rhode Island, says the gap between religion and science is not as wide as commonly believed.
BY RICHARD C. DUJARDIN
Journal Staff Writer
LITTLE COMPTON Well before he became Rhode Islands Episcopal bishop, the Right Rev. W. Nicholas Knisely lived in two worlds. As a priest and rector of a church in Bethlehem, Pa., he looked after peoples spiritual needs. Then hed hop in a car and travel across the river to nearby Lehigh University to teach physics and astronomy.
His double role came about in part because the school had learned that before he became a priest he had earned degrees in both astronomy and physics. In agreeing to the post, however, Knisely had one condition: that hed be allowed to teach class wearing his clerical garb.
But as Bishop Knisely recounted to packed pews at a forum last week at St. Andrews-by-the-Sea, the priestly attire created quite a stir. Many were stunned to see a man of the cloth teaching science.
He says he understood their confusion. For so long, they had believed that religion and science were fundamentally at odds, the result of long-worn stories about the churchs treatment of Galileo centuries ago and more modern stories about fundamentalist believers trying to ban the teaching of evolution in school.
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hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)I bet there will be a lot of demand for his courses.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,307 posts)That sort of thinking, he said, may be logical, but also immoral. Religion has something to say about the sacredness of life and how important human beings are, because we are made in the image of God.
Are many scientists willing to dismiss human suffering? Defending war as a form of population control? Really, I can't think I've ever heard of that (for one thing, war is not an effective method of population control - populations typically go up in all but the most catastrophic wars, but I really can't think of any scientist saying "we need a war to decrease the population" .
As for religion and the 'sacredness of life':
though note that frequent churchgoers are less in favour of the death penalty than those who attend church seldom or never - implying its those nominal Christians who are the most bloodthirsty Americans of all; but frequent churchgoers are still more in favour that those without a religion:
Least supportive are non-Christians and people with no religion
http://www.gallup.com/poll/21937/protestants-frequent-churchgoers-most-supportive-iraq-war.aspx
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Some of those statistics are not surprising, as support of the death penalty is even more sharply divided down political lines, as non-believers tend to be more liberal and democrats.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/159770/death-penalty-support-stable.aspx
There have also been some changes noted in more recent surveys:
(same link)
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Like you, I've never heard any scientists making claims like that.
However, I *have* heard religious individuals make statements to dismiss human suffering ("It's all part of god's plan!" or defend genocide to control the population of groups they don't like.
Lots of projection going on.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)check out what is going on there (http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/science-course-at-ball-state-university-sneaks-in-religion/)
The syllabus makes for interesting reading. This is for an optional freshman honors course in a science department. So in other words the brightest and most ambitious freshman get exposed to a one sided argument in favor of Intelligent Design (look at the reading list). If you are going to do a course like this, you need to have it at least team taught with a scientist who supports naturalism as an explanation of physical events. That could turn into a fascinating study of the many limitations of intelligent design.
Also Ball State just hired the author of Privileged Planet, Guillermo Gonzalez. Hopefully Dr. Gonzalez will work towards developing an academic reputation that supports tenure (suggestion - leave out your book from you application for tenure). His hiring should hopefully shut Ben Stein up.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)That is indeed a bizarre "science" course.
struggle4progress
(118,278 posts)http://www.bsu.edu/common/course/0,1481,---HONR-296,00.html
Evolution isn't in the course description
struggle4progress
(118,278 posts)Jim__
(14,075 posts)Is that a legitimate scientific topic?
struggle4progress
(118,278 posts)If he likes to think sometimes about philosophical questions, that doesn't seem to be affecting his ability to get legitimate scientific papers published
Jim__
(14,075 posts)I didn't quite follow that. Is he just saying he doesn't know whether or not it's happening, or is he saying it is happening?
cbayer
(146,218 posts)And I think that's what he is saying here.