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Sun Mar 31, 2013, 01:51 PM

 

Religious ecstasy



Religious ecstasy is an altered state of consciousness characterized by greatly reduced external awareness and expanded interior mental and spiritual awareness which is frequently accompanied by visions and emotional/intuitive (and sometimes physical) euphoria. Although the experience is usually brief in time, there are records of such experiences lasting several days or even more, and of recurring experiences of ecstasy during one's lifetime. Subjective perception of time, space and/or self may strongly change or disappear during ecstasy.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_ecstasy

From a comment on the video:
These guys are Sufi, the mystical branch of Islam, they're in Chechnya, and they are performing a type of Zikr, a type of meditation which can take many forms; singing, dancing, whirling, drumming, or anything that induces a trance state.


Amazing video.

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Paul E Ester Mar 2013 OP
snot Mar 2013 #1
Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #3
Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #2
Warpy Mar 2013 #4
Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #5
edhopper Mar 2013 #6
cbayer Mar 2013 #9
edhopper Mar 2013 #11
cleanhippie Apr 2013 #17
cbayer Apr 2013 #18
cleanhippie Apr 2013 #19
Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #7
Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #8
cbayer Mar 2013 #10
Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #12
backscatter712 Mar 2013 #13
Paul E Ester Apr 2013 #14
backscatter712 Apr 2013 #15
edhopper Apr 2013 #16

Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 02:05 PM

1. Let's do it.

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Response to snot (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 02:13 PM

3. Higher than a raver on E..nt

 

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 02:12 PM

2. Another one.

 



Someone compared it to a school of fish or flock of birds.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:02 PM

4. I love watching Sufi dancers do moving meditation

which is basically what this is.

A friend who went to a Jewish prep school told me about an experiment by one of the Rabbis, the class doing a combination of dancing and chanting. Once they'd done it long enough, they understood where the various sects that did it as a matter of daily practice were coming from, that it was a completely different head space.

Still, Sufi dance meditation is special, as beautiful to watch as it is to do. Both men and women partake, wearing full skirts and leggings, one hand to heaven and the other to earth.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:05 PM

5. balinese baraka monkey chant

 

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:08 PM

6. As long as we acknowledge that this is

a internal human response and not attributable to any "outside mystical force". Inducing this kind of feeling is a mainstay with many cults. And of course it can be attained without any religious wrappings.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:21 PM

9. No one needs to acknowledge that. It's just your POV.

And you are more than welcome to it. But theirs is just as valid, imo.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:30 PM

11. Yes

Just my stylistic way of saying IMO.

Though not all opinions are valid or deserve respect.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:51 AM

17. Yes, we do need to acknowlege it. It is fact, not POV.

And POV's that disregard fact are only deserving of ridicule.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:59 AM

18. Thanks for the reminder to put you back on ignore.

Bye!

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Response to cbayer (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:03 AM

19. Why didn't you just do that when I politely asked you to?

Oh, well. At least others will be able to see myself, and others, continue to expose the hypocrisy found in many of your posts.

And thats all that matters.

You have a nice day.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:14 PM

7. Muharram in Iran (reciting noha )

 

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:15 PM

8. here's another one..

 



*trigger warning*

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:22 PM

10. The Gospel Tent a New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival is

one of my favorite places. While not quite this dramatic, there is a lot of religious ecstasy to be seen.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 08:01 PM

12. Way back in the late 60s my friend and I got into serious trouble at school

for "getting high by meditating". In fact Danny got his ass booted out of this supposedly progressive private school. Actually all of my friends got expelled for one reason or another. I got immunity by writing an essay on King Lear that killed, the headmaster was also the English teacher. Such was life in America before the flood.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 11:52 PM

13. Dan Barker of the Freedom From Religion Foundation is the one to talk to.

Now he's one of the leading atheists in America.

He used to be a fundamentalist preacher.

He used to "see God" watching over him, he had these experiences of religious ecstasy. Even today, he can still speak in tongues. He just understands that glossolalia and religious ecstacy are psychological phenomena, not the Holy Spirit.


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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:33 PM

14. What do you think would be more meaningful?

 

Going to Chechnya and participating in a Zikr?

Going to bali and practicing a monkey chant?

Hanging out with some dude who used to speak in tongues and now thinks the universe is dead and boring.

It's interesting that there are a couple a posts arguing we have to look at these trance experiences from an atheist perspective, rather than consider them for what they are, transcendent meditative states arrived at through movement and chanting.

Atheist dogma is just as creepy as any other religion.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:38 PM

15. Who says the universe is dead and boring?

Carl Sagan and Richard Dawkins will tell you the universe is wonderous beyond imagining.

We just don't need to believe in fairy tales to appreciate it.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 04:51 PM

16. The Universe religious folks describe

is so much more limited, mundane and boring than that of the cosmetologist and physicists.

And your post becomes meaningless when you use the oxymoron of "atheist dogma".

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