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Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:09 PM

Does god pick the next Pope??

Just listened to the news on the radio

The Church is attacking Italian newspapers for running stories that they feel will influence the Cardinals that will pick the next Pope. I have always heard that god moved the Cardinals to vote for the next Pope. It seems that the Church is unsure if it is politics or god that picks the next Pope. I think the Church should get their stories straight

Strange ..........

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Reply Does god pick the next Pope?? (Original post)
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 OP
Scuba Feb 2013 #1
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #2
pangaia Feb 2013 #27
Autumn Feb 2013 #3
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #4
Scuba Feb 2013 #5
TheDebbieDee Feb 2013 #6
cbayer Feb 2013 #7
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #10
goldent Feb 2013 #8
cbayer Feb 2013 #9
Blue4Texas Feb 2013 #11
cbayer Feb 2013 #13
Blue4Texas Feb 2013 #21
pangaia Feb 2013 #28
cbayer Feb 2013 #29
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #12
Moonwalk Feb 2013 #14
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #15
Moonwalk Feb 2013 #18
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #20
Marrah_G Feb 2013 #16
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #17
Marrah_G Feb 2013 #19
brooklynite Feb 2013 #22
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #23
goldent Feb 2013 #30
EvilAL Feb 2013 #24
goldent Feb 2013 #25
EvilAL Feb 2013 #26

Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:13 PM

1. Did he pick the last one?

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:32 PM

2. I have always heard that the Cardinals are moved by god to pick the next Pope

according to the Church that would be a yes .............

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:35 PM

27. If god DOES move the cardinals

to pick each pope, then she sure played a humdinger of a joke on them last time.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:34 PM

3. They could all pray that God gets an eye infection and he can't read the newspapers .

Or they could sequester him in a nice hotel till he makes a choice. Either one of those would solve the problem.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:37 PM

4. That is a good idea

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Response to Autumn (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:38 PM

5. ...

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:44 PM

6. Don't be silly. The Cardinals are too scientific to leave the choice of the next

Pope to God.

The Cardinals will allow the color of smoke that results from burning the piece of paper with the candidate's name on it to determine who the next Pope will be.......

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Response to TheDebbieDee (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:50 PM

7. Don't they decide on the color of the smoke in order to let the public know

that they have made a choice or not?

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Response to cbayer (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:57 PM

10. yes

they add a chenical to the ballots when they burn them to produce the color they want

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:52 PM

8. This is like the British royal family complaining about loss of privacy

If there is interest, it will be reported on, you have to accept it. And right now there is a lot of interest in the papal election.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:55 PM

9. It's an election. I guess some would say that they pray for guidance

or that god points them to the next pope, but I don't think anyone has suggested that there is some kind of divine intervention, otherwise the votes would always be unanimous on the first vote.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:02 PM

11. At best, inspiration, at worst ego

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Response to Blue4Texas (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:31 PM

13. IMHO, it's all politics.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 11:02 PM

21. It would be about sex then LOL

Contraception, celibacy and marriage of priests, women as priests, same sex marriage, abortion - omg thank you for helping me see this!

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Response to cbayer (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:39 PM

28. Does that mean that god tells one cardinal

to vote for one guy, another cardinal to vote for another guy, and so on?

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Response to pangaia (Reply #28)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:42 PM

29. I have no idea, but I suspect some of them will feel they were guided in some way.

Can that over-ride their own politics or their personal ambitions.

History would argue that it does not.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:26 PM

12. The Roman Catholic Church believes that the Holy Spirit guides them, but they believe that the

cardinals are the one's who make the decision.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:52 PM

14. Well, now I'm confused. How can it be both? I mean, if god guides them to pick X...

...then how can it be their choice rather than god's? If it's their choice, then wouldn't god hang back and not give them any guidance? Complete free will and all that? Or are we saying that god gives them a hint and sees if they can figure out which one he's talking about?

god: "Before he wanted to be a priest, this candidate for the next pope planned on being a soccer player and was so good at it he scored many winning goals his school..."

Cardinal #1: "Hm. I can think of four or five who meet that description. Which one could it be...?"

Cardinal #2: "I know which ones god is talking about and I don't want any of them. If I vote for someone else entirely does that mean I'm working for Satan?"

Cardinal #3: "Oh, I know who god's taking about! I know--"

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Response to Moonwalk (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:55 PM

15. Guidance is probably not the word the church should use. Strength is a better word.

But it is the cardinals decision not God's.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:49 PM

18. Now I'm even more confused--

--If a cardinal needs supernatural help to be strong enough to vote for a worthy candidate over an unworthy candidate than why was he made a cardinal and given this responsibility?

I mean, no one can guarantee that god will answer any prayer, even one by a cardinal or pope, right? Shouldn't anyone who knows themselves to be morally/ethically weak refuse the job of cardinal on the off-chance that they might not be given the strength by god to do this very important job--and, therefore, due to their weakness, will do it poorly and give a lot of power to the wrong man?

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Response to Moonwalk (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:56 PM

20. I like you moonwalk.

They believe that God has a hand in it. How this occurs i really can not tell you. I left the RCC at 18 years old and joined the Episcopal Church. To me it is political for many cardinals, and a few it is about spirituality. I have no doubt God is among them when they choose, but the are the one's that choose.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:39 PM

16. Has zero to do with God and everything to do with internal vatican politics

It has NEVER had anything to do with God.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:09 PM

17. If that is the case then they should let all catholics vote

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:56 PM

19. But that would mean giving up power, something the Catholic church is not known for.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 11:14 AM

22. Since the Pope was religiously ordained...

...and since the Pope is still alive, why doesn't he pick his own replacement? Think of the travel savings.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 11:38 AM

23. The Catholics claim Peter was the first Pope and he was picked by god

Don't worry about the money, the church has plenty

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #23)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:49 PM

30. The blibical evidence for Peter is pretty good...

Matthew 16:


Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter (rock), and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.


Of course, Jesus was on earth at the time, which was very handy.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:30 PM

24. Nope. Men do.

That they are "Guided/influenced/told/etc.. by the holy spirit" might have worked 1000 years ago, but it's not that simple anymore.

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Response to EvilAL (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:28 PM

25. I think it is today as it was since the beginning

At the last supper, the disciples were jockeying for position (Luke 22):

A dispute also arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves.


Turf battle (Luke 9):

“Master,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.”

“Do not stop him,” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.”


Asking favors (Mathew 20):

Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Jesus with her sons and, kneeling down, asked a favor of him.

“What is it you want?” he asked.

She said, “Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at your right and the other at your left in your kingdom.”


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Response to goldent (Reply #25)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:35 PM

26. Yeah it is,

Men pick who will head the church, same as it always was. Nothing about divine influence or anything.

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