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Sun Feb 10, 2013, 07:53 AM

Uh... wait, what?

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Reply Uh... wait, what? (Original post)
2ndAmForComputers Feb 2013 OP
Xipe Totec Feb 2013 #1
Fumesucker Feb 2013 #2
Freddie Feb 2013 #3
d_r Feb 2013 #4
2ndAmForComputers Feb 2013 #6
deutsey Feb 2013 #8
BainsBane Feb 2013 #5
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #10
BainsBane Feb 2013 #15
Bradical79 Feb 2013 #20
geckosfeet Feb 2013 #7
deutsey Feb 2013 #9
geckosfeet Feb 2013 #11
deutsey Feb 2013 #17
rug Feb 2013 #12
ReRe Feb 2013 #13
Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #14
cbayer Feb 2013 #16
2ndAmForComputers Feb 2013 #18
Dorian Gray Feb 2013 #19
Bradical79 Feb 2013 #21

Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 07:59 AM

1. wrong at so many levels, it's like an onion. nt

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 08:02 AM

2. You ought to crosspost this to GD

It's about poverty and the poor even more than it is religion.

""Most clients of food banks have not yet come to a sense of personal responsibility in life. They are still in denial, blame or seeing the world as owing them" wrote Rev David Durksen of the Unity Church of Victoria."

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 08:02 AM

3. I thought it was just Americans

With "the poor don't do enough to help themselves" attitude. Canada too? Sickening.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 08:03 AM

4. is it satire?

please be satire.


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Response to d_r (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 08:13 AM

6. It does reek of Poe.

But you never know.

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Response to d_r (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 08:23 AM

8. It appears to be true

from back in 2000...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2000/02/21/church.html

It's a Unity church, apparently:

http://unityofwinnipeg.com/?page_id=2


Unity is a positive, practical spiritual philosophy that teaches universal Spiritual principles, the principles that underlie all major religions. We do not have rules or dogma that must be followed or believed in order to be a part of Unity.

Unity teaches that each person is a unique expression of God created with sacred worth. As we learn to live from that awareness our lives are transformed. We realize that we no longer need live from fear but from love.

We study spiritual books from all walks of life, knowing that there is Truth in all of them that we can apply in our lives.

We emphasize the creative power of thought in our life experience. We know that we create our world by the thoughts, words and actions we hold, and when we learn to change our thoughts to life-affirming, positive thoughts, we experience a more fulfilling and abundant life.


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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 08:06 AM

5. I've seen this before

almost verbatim. It was from somewhere in the South. I think this must be a parody.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:32 AM

10. the post above you says Canada church..

maybe southern Canada????

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:26 PM

15. No, I'm thinking this is a story that floats around

and may be a parody or a hoax. I find it hard to believe there is more than one church so tone deaf in terms of media publicity. Perhaps I'm naive. But I recall very similar wording. It was definitely a red state.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:10 AM

20. It was an article on Leno back in 2000

From his Monday night headlines, according to a quick google search.

Here's an old page I found with the headline on its list under Leno's Monday Night Headlines:
http://www.strangebillions.com/zingmar00/

So, it seems legit, just pretty old. Someone has probably changed some details from the real story and spread it around as an internet hoax over the years too.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 08:15 AM

7. Going to church no more makes you a Christian than going swimming makes you a fish.

"Spiritual hunger"?

Give me a break.

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 08:31 AM

9. This wasn't a Christian church, if I understand it correctly

Unity isn't a Christian denomination. http://www.unityofwinnipeg.com/

That, of course, doesn't negate the truth of your observation at all.

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Response to deutsey (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:45 AM

11. Sub in your denomination of choice for Christian, however this is right from link you provided.



What do we Believe?

Unity is positive, practical Christianity, teaching effective daily application of the principles of truth taught and exemplified by Jesus Christ.

Our Beliefs

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:59 PM

17. Yeah, but based on what they say on their About Us page

They are out of step with how most mainline (and definitely fundamentalist and orthodox) denominations define Christianity.

http://unityofwinnipeg.com/?page_id=2

It's one of the reasons I can't really belong to most Christian churches: I'm actually closer Unity's openness to many spiritual resources beyond the Bible, for example.

We study spiritual books from all walks of life, knowing that there is Truth in all of them that we can apply in our lives.

I know from experience that most Christian denominations are completely opposed to that approach. Most denominations are opposed to many aspects of my spirituality that are probably in line with Unity: contemplative spirituality (if Christians are open to that they insist that it remain strictly within a Christian context and not take into consideration Eastern forms...which is their prerogative, but I find it limiting); insights and wisdom from Paganism and other faith traditions; etc. That's why I'm a Unitarian Universalist even though I do see myself as a very theologically liberal Christian, ultimately.

I differ with Unity in that I'm not into the whole "everything-is-thought" thing that they emphasize:

We emphasize the creative power of thought in our life experience. We know that we create our world by the thoughts, words and actions we hold, and when we learn to change our thoughts to life-affirming, positive thoughts, we experience a more fulfilling and abundant life.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:01 AM

12. Gee, I wonder how many poor and homelss people churches have fed in the last 13 years.

Why don't you dig that up? I bet even imgur has some info on that.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:50 AM

13. Consider the source

... Is "The Ottawa Citizen" one of Canada's winger periodical newspapers? Why isn't there a date at the top of the clipping? And as for what the author (unnamed) calls a "church" in the title of the PS article/announcement, it does NOT appear to be a traditional church. Is called "Unity Truth Centre", not church. Christ is nowhere in it's title. Duh...therefore it is NOT a Christian institution. Nor does this "Unity Truth Centre" espouse Christian values, as evidenced by the information in the body of the article. Author calls the leader of the supossed church a minister in paragraph 2, but then later in the article refers to her as "Ms" Prossen, not "Rev." Prossen. Blah, blah, blah blah, blah.... I agree with you 2ndAFC...er, what? I place this article in file 86.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:55 AM

14. The cool thing about modern Christianity is how it has transitioned...

 

The cool thing about modern Christianity is how it has transitioned. Where at one time Christians demonstrated their faith by living a Christ-like life, demostrating their faith in Christ through love, compassion, sacrifice, poverty, suffering, and service to their fellow man; modern Americanized Christians operate under an entirely different doctrine based upon modern principles.

Obviously they give lip service to these core biblical ideas, but these are not expressed through actual sacrifice or service to the needy, but rather through cash contributions and service to their church. In this modern interpretation of scripture the path to heaven is secured, one need not worry about that. Once you "accept Christ" that's basically it, and nothing more than this is required. All of those things that Christ commanded his followers do are not so much rules as suggestions. God, in modern Americanized Christianity, wants you to be happy and successful, he wants you to have lots of money, and all he really requires is that you give some money to his mega church, be obedient to the Pastor, show up and make a show of passionate devotion, and teach your children to do the same.

The Christ in the bible is nowhere to be found. They care no more about the commands of Christ than they care about the prohibition to keep the sabath holy.

This fraud is one of the major reasons why American Christian Pastors wield power far beyond merely the wealth at their disposal. The Church is nothing more than a social club. And if you want to get anywhere in local politics you better show up and make a show of devotion, you better do what that pastor says, you better hate who he tells you to hate, because he has the money and the votes to win and lose elections. And it's easy, there's no cost to you. Church is a PARTY, there's bands and music and networking, the riff raff are kept out, the pastor is wearing a thousand dollar suit and no one is telling you to give up your wealth or anything else.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:28 PM

16. Great catch!! A 14 year old story from Canada reprinted with out a link or even

a dateline!!

Congratulations. You would win today's prize for gratuitous flamebait, but Lared beat you to it.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 08:43 PM

18. He and humblebum.

Not a good day for crazed religious fanatics, innit?

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 08:49 PM

19. I want to laugh at that

but it's so freaking sad.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:16 AM

21. In the OP's defense

When checking google to confirm legitimacy, without adjusting the dates of my search, most links seem to date to only 2011. Had to change search parameters to find mentions of the original 2000 article and filter out the many "rediscoveries".

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