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Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:08 PM

Scientology hides from grave allegations behind the mask of religion

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/07/scientology-hides-allegations-mask-religion

L Ron Hubbard's church is under increasing attack, but by calling itself a religion Scientology is shielded from scrutiny

John Sweeney
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 7 February 2013 10.00 EST


Add religion to its treasure and power to intimidate, and the Church of Scientology may seem untouchable.' Photograph: Startraks Photo/Rex Features

Millions of Americans watching the Super Bowl were treated to a soft-voiced ad featuring knitting pattern magazine models boosting the church that L Ron built, but elsewhere the Scientology spring is gathering pace. The latest hammer blow against the church that likes to wear dark glasses is Beyond Belief: My Secret Life Inside Scientology and My Harrowing Escape a misery memoir by Jenna Miscavige Hill, alleging that her uncle, Scientology's "Pope" David Miscavige, is evil. A charge he denies.

Add a major lawsuit in the US by aggrieved ex-members, a criminal prosecution in Belgium, a war of attrition across the internet and three highly critical books so far this year.

Fear of Britain's libel laws meant that Going Clear by Lawrence Wright was not formally published in the UK, and no big UK publisher would touch my book, Church of Fear, but all three books are now on sale and make for horrible reading for "Pope" Miscavige and his celebrity apostles Tom Cruise and John Travolta.

Yet critics who hope that the end of the Church of Scientology is nigh are probably deluded, until someone powerful and brave on the other side of the Atlantic steps in.

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Reply Scientology hides from grave allegations behind the mask of religion (Original post)
cbayer Feb 2013 OP
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #1
cleanhippie Feb 2013 #3
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #11
2ndAmForComputers Feb 2013 #13
ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #18
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #19
ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #20
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #21
ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #22
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #23
longship Feb 2013 #2
cleanhippie Feb 2013 #4
longship Feb 2013 #5
cleanhippie Feb 2013 #6
longship Feb 2013 #7
cleanhippie Feb 2013 #8
longship Feb 2013 #10
2ndAmForComputers Feb 2013 #14
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #12
dimbear Feb 2013 #9
tama Feb 2013 #15
cbayer Feb 2013 #17
trotsky Feb 2013 #16

Response to cbayer (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:22 PM

1. CULT

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:21 PM

3. No, its not.

Unless ALL religion are a cult.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:29 PM

11. Buddhism

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:42 PM

13. There are differences in degree.

Like comparing arsenic, strychnine, and cyanide.

That all are poison doesn't negate the fact that some are MORE poisonous than others.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:28 PM

18. I don't think that word means what you think it means. nt

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:31 PM

19. Then feel free to enlighten me

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:35 PM

20. The word "cult" has no inherent negetive meaning, unless one hates religion.

A cult is just a religious group. In sociology, the word "cult" is just a short way of saying "alternative religion."

Cults are smaller than major religions, but I don't remember the cut-off numbers.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:45 PM

21. These are the ones I have come across

Followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader

Followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices

A religion or sect that is generally considered to be unorthodox, extremist, or false

A system of religious beliefs and rituals

An interest followed with exaggerated zeal


These cover a greater definition than what you expressed

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:18 PM

22. Which dictionary are you using? nt

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:29 PM

23. I don't see where it makes a difference

took them off of Word Web and Merriam-Webster has about the same

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Response to cbayer (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:33 PM

2. Scientology is a dangerous cult.

John Sweeney has been covering them for years in Britain. This is a good article.

What's not to despise about Scientology? They do no good. Not now. Not ever.

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Response to longship (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:21 PM

4. No, its not.

Unless ALL religion are cults.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:25 PM

5. Well, we could go back and forth on this.

But let's not. Regardless, Scientology was set up as a money-making religion by L Ron, a scam.

Today, they are nothing but a thuggish, dangerous cult.

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Response to longship (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:28 PM

6. No, we could not go back and forth on this. The only difference between a cult and a religion is...

the size of the congregation.




Couldn't the argument be made that they are ALL money making scams?

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:46 PM

7. Clearly, you are correct...

However, my intent was to invoke "cult" in the more pejorative sense of the word. Because Scientology is cur-ay-zee as they come. (I mean other than possibly the House of Yahweh and their nuclear baby.)

But you are making a rhetorical argument here and I am making a cultural one. That's why I don't wish to go back and forth with you on it.

Everybody knows what I mean when I call Scientology a dangerous cult and that was the intent of my little post.


BTW, friend. Have you looked at the Rick Ross Site. That seems to be the clearinghouse for all things cultic. There's encyclopedic information and support for what society considers a cult... or not.

Regardless, Ross is the guy who researches this stuff and gets it out there.

Thanks for the response, my friend. But let's not get in a rhetorical disagreement here.

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Response to longship (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:52 PM

8. I'm just yanking your chain.

We are in complete agreement.

Although, I would disagree that Scientology is any more "crazy" than any other religious belief system. I always find it amusing when a person that believes in some absurd nonsense, say, like a dead person coming back to life, calls another persons absurd belief "crazy."

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:12 PM

10. But can't we continue to argue about the relative magnitudes?

Darn! I was hoping to be able to begin the chair throwing.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:44 PM

14. Toxicity comparisons are more important than craziness comparisons IMHO.

(I agree with you that the craziness is about the same.)

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:31 PM

12. You have any facts to back up your opinion??

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Response to cbayer (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:04 PM

9. We ought to compare these celebrity apostles to the twelve:

Travolta is a highschool dropout, Cruise actually spent a little time in a Franciscan seminary before being invited to depart.

Just like the original apostles, not well educated.

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Response to cbayer (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 05:42 AM

15. What's wrong with US?

 

Finland and AFAIK most other countries don't give scientology the official status of religious organization. Why does US?

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Response to tama (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:36 AM

17. They out-lawyered the IRS and the IRS finally gave up.

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Response to cbayer (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:22 AM

16. The CoS continues to exist, and thrive, because it takes advantage of a number of items.

Some of them are legally established, like the rules about churches and taxes, etc.

However some of them are thanks to the cover of moderate believers who admonish atheists for being so rude for criticizing religious beliefs, and being upset with the lack of critical thinking applied to said beliefs.

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