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rug

(82,333 posts)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:54 AM Feb 2013

Catholic group opposes Ash Wednesday execution

Posted: Feb 04, 2013 7:56 PM EST
By Willard Woods

SHREVEPORT, LA (KSLA) - The scheduled execution of a man on Ash Wednesday doesn't sit well with one Louisiana religious group that has asked the governor to intervene.

Convicted killer Christopher Sepulvado, of Shreveport, is scheduled to be executed on Wednesday, Feb. 13. But that's also Ash Wednesday for Christians.

Citing Catholic social teaching and other tenets, the Louisiana Conference of Catholic Bishops (LCCB), issued a statement on Monday opposing the scheduled execution on Ash Wednesday.

"We in no way condone the actions of Christopher Sepulvado. ... At the same time, we acknowledge the Christian power of reconciliation and redemption which Christopher has embraced," the LCCB stated in its release.

http://www.ksla.com/story/20962353/catholic-group-opposes-ash-wednesday-execution

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Catholic group opposes Ash Wednesday execution (Original Post) rug Feb 2013 OP
About the only thing the Church and I agree on is Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 2013 #1
Unlike other parts of the country, Ash Wednesday is a particularly important day cbayer Feb 2013 #2
I'd prefer they oppose child-raping catholic priests, but hey, it's better than nothing. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #3
Then you'd have nothing to talk about. rug Feb 2013 #4
And you'd have nothing to deflect from. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #5
Do you have a comment on the death penalty? rug Feb 2013 #6
Sure, child-raping catholic priests should receive it. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #7
Here's an idea. Why don't youu picket the picketers next Wednesday? rug Feb 2013 #8
Here's an idea. Why don't you condemn the child-rapers and protectors in your church. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #10
Oh, just go start another thread on it. rug Feb 2013 #11
You go do that. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #12
No, you go do that. rug Feb 2013 #13
No, you go do that. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #14
Pathetic. rug Feb 2013 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Feb 2013 #16
Aww, rug, no need for self-deprecation. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #17
No, there isn't. I don't self-delete. rug Feb 2013 #18
Hahahaha! cleanhippie Feb 2013 #19
Update: Jindal rejects Catholic Bishops' request to delay Ash Wednesday execution rug Feb 2013 #9
Sounds like Jindal made the right call. n/t Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #20
I take it you support the death penalty. okasha Feb 2013 #21
I don't support the death penalty but ButterflyBlood Feb 2013 #24
You take it incorrectly. Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #25
The issue is a man's life. okasha Feb 2013 #34
Did I say that? Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #35
You did seem to be saying that. okasha Feb 2013 #36
No, it's just the latest in a long series of bad calls. rug Feb 2013 #22
I think Jindal is a bizarre version okasha Feb 2013 #23
Are you considering the death penalty, or the date of execution? Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #26
The death penalty. rug Feb 2013 #28
Ah, ok. I see now that the last paragraph in the full article Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #31
The Episcopal Church also stands with it Roman Catholic friends and opposes the death penalty. hrmjustin Feb 2013 #27
And now they have some Catholic zoo animals muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #29
Unless the animals have the intent to sacrifice No Vested Interest Feb 2013 #30
Do you have a better source than Jerry Coyne? rug Feb 2013 #33
The Dutch newspaper - the link is in my post (nt) muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #37
I'd love to see a blanket statement from Catholic hierarchy on the death penalty. In all cases. pinto Feb 2013 #32

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
2. Unlike other parts of the country, Ash Wednesday is a particularly important day
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:28 PM
Feb 2013

in Louisiana. Not only does it mark the beginning of lent, but is marks the end of the carnival session. I've lived a lot of places, but nowhere else have I seen it taken as seriously.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
7. Sure, child-raping catholic priests should receive it.
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:13 PM
Feb 2013

As should most rapists, but especially the catholic priests.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
8. Here's an idea. Why don't youu picket the picketers next Wednesday?
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:17 PM
Feb 2013

While they are opposing the death penalty outside the prison, you can picket them and hold signs up condemning priests. If you're really into it, you can call them all enablers of pedophilia. Maybe you can get somebody from here to join you. I'll throw in a few bucks to get you there.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
10. Here's an idea. Why don't you condemn the child-rapers and protectors in your church.
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:29 PM
Feb 2013

While they are hiding from responsibility and the law, you can picket them and hold signs up condemning priests and their enablers and protectors. If you're really into it, you can recognize the laity's role in the travesty. Maybe you can get somebody from here to join you. I'll throw in a few bucks to get you there.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
11. Oh, just go start another thread on it.
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:32 PM
Feb 2013

Don't forget the cartoon.

It's clear you do not support what these people are doing to stop capital punishment.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
12. You go do that.
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:37 PM
Feb 2013

Ill post what I want when I want.

It's clear that you support your church in whatever endeavors it chooses.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
13. No, you go do that.
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:43 PM
Feb 2013

You go on post whatever you want wherever you want, no matter how inane, disruptive, off-topic and stupid it is. When you get your ass handed to you, make sure you whine about it where somebody will care.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
14. No, you go do that.
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:50 PM
Feb 2013

I'll wait here to have my ass handed to me. You wait here and continue to be one.

Response to rug (Reply #15)

ButterflyBlood

(12,644 posts)
24. I don't support the death penalty but
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:25 AM
Feb 2013

it'd be rather hypocritical to delay this execution just because it happens to fall on Ash Wednesday. How is executing him after Lent any better? The right thing to do would be for Jindal to commute the sentence altogether.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
34. The issue is a man's life.
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 07:42 PM
Feb 2013

Why is refusal to «make a religious accommodaeion» more important than whether the man lives or dies?

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
35. Did I say that?
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 09:41 PM
Feb 2013

No, I didn't.

When I first read the post I got the impression that the sole objection of the Catholic bishops was the date of execution, which is at the onset of an important Catholic holy day/days.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
36. You did seem to be saying that.
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:30 PM
Feb 2013

But I see by your post below that you didn't have the full context at the time.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
22. No, it's just the latest in a long series of bad calls.
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:05 AM
Feb 2013

I think he's simply a bizarro version of a cafeteria Catholic.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
23. I think Jindal is a bizarre version
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:47 AM
Feb 2013

of the noun of your choice.

I applaud the bishops' consistent opposition to the death penalty.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
26. Are you considering the death penalty, or the date of execution?
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 03:07 AM
Feb 2013

The article makes it sound like the date of execution is the immediate issue. Given that the execution is going to take place, should there be a religious consideration for the date?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
28. The death penalty.
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:30 PM
Feb 2013

The date only underscores its morbidity. It's a clumsy headline. It's about opposition to the death penalty.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
31. Ah, ok. I see now that the last paragraph in the full article
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 02:30 PM
Feb 2013

addresses the Catholic bishops opposition to the death penalty.

Yeah, that was a poorly written headline. I took it that the issue was the date of execution.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,146 posts)
29. And now they have some Catholic zoo animals
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:54 PM
Feb 2013
According to De Volkskrant, a leading Dutch newspaper, next Wednesday the predators in the Zoo at Nuenen (in the Catholic southern part of The Netherlands) won’t get their meal because of the celebration of Ash-Wednesday. It is a Catholic practice to fast on this day.

According to the Google translation (JAC: I have touched this up a bit):

The predators of Animal Kingdom in Nuenen will get nothing to eat next Wednesday. For that day is Ash Wednesday, and, as the zoo reports, the lions, tigers and wolves will be fasting.

The seals will have better luck than the carnivores. They will be served herring, a Catholic tradition on the day after Carnival. But the lions and other carnivores will get nothing.

According to Animal Kingdom, it is definitely not harmful to inflict a day of fasting on predators, for in the wild these animals do not eat every day. According to the zoo, such variation in feeding time helps the animals remain alert.

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/dutch-zoo-animals-must-abjure-meat-on-ash-wednesday/

No Vested Interest

(5,156 posts)
30. Unless the animals have the intent to sacrifice
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 02:27 PM
Feb 2013

their (forced) fast on Ash Wednesday has no merit.
It's like forcing a baby or toddler to fast. - they're incapable of forming intent.
Intent is what makes an action worthy or not so much.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
33. Do you have a better source than Jerry Coyne?
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:42 PM
Feb 2013

Not that it has anything to do with the death penalty.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
32. I'd love to see a blanket statement from Catholic hierarchy on the death penalty. In all cases.
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:50 PM
Feb 2013

At all times. I think there would be broad support from most lay Catholics to oppose the death penalty, fwiw.

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