France steps up struggle against religious radicals

By Tom Heneghan, Religion Editor

PARIS | Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:21am EST

PARIS (Reuters) - France will deport foreign-born imams and disband radical faith-based groups, including hardline traditionalist Catholics, if a new surveillance policy signals they suffer a "religious pathology" and could become violent.

A French Islamist shooting spree last March that killed three soldiers and four Jews showed how quickly religiously radicalized people could turn to force, Interior Minister Manuel Valls told a conference on the official policy of secularism.

His warning came two days after President Francois Hollande announced the creation of an agency to track how the separation of church and state is upheld in this traditionally Catholic country with Europe's largest Muslim and Jewish minorities.

Valls and two other cabinet ministers told the conference on Tuesday evening the Socialist-led government would stress the secularist policy called "laicite" that they said was weakened under the previous conservative President Nicolas Sarkozy.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/12/us-france-religion-extremists-idUSBRE8BB0VA20121212

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France steps up struggle against religious radicals (Original post)	rug	Dec 2012	OP
I think they need to beef up their access to psychiatric services.	cbayer	Dec 2012	#1
Show me a religious fanatic that would be open to psychiatric help.	snagglepuss	Dec 2012	#2
Actually, it can.	rug	Dec 2012	#3
This is true of many, or not most, people with psychotic illnesses - religious or not.	cbayer	Dec 2012	#4
"The aim is ... to detect .. when an opinion turns into a potentially violent and criminal excess"	Jim__	Dec 2012	#5

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Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:20 PM

cbayer (120,012 posts)

1. I think they need to beef up their access to psychiatric services.

If pathology is identified, religious or not, then they should treat them.

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Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:42 PM

snagglepuss (9,118 posts)

2. Show me a religious fanatic that would be open to psychiatric help.

Pyschiatrists can't help people who don't think they have a problem.

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Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:47 PM

rug (47,406 posts)

3. Actually, it can.

Mental illness, unlike other illness, is often treated involuntarily on the theory that the person's ability to make informed decisions about care has been eroded by the mental illness.

I've known many "a religious fanatic" that have been successfully treated because their problem was illness, not religious fanaticism.

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Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:12 PM

cbayer (120,012 posts)

4. This is true of many, or not most, people with psychotic illnesses - religious or not.

Psychiatrists can indeed help them, but they generally do not seek help voluntarily.

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Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:23 PM

Jim__ (8,615 posts)

5. "The aim is ... to detect .. when an opinion turns into a potentially violent and criminal excess"

A desirable goal, but a difficult line to walk.

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