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Impromptu Worship Service On A Plane

Impromptu Worship Service On A Plane

Being stuck on the tarmac is nobody’s idea of a good travel day…unless you turn it into an opportunity for worship! Click to listen to the Indiana Wesleyan University Chorale turn their potential frustration into nothing less than a heavenly moment as they raise their voices in harmony, singing “Give Me Jesus” to their fellow passengers.


I am curious how Religion Forum DU'ers view this event. I have no problem with this at all and was blessed by it, but when watching it I thought it might be interesting if other's view this as an infringement on the other passengers rights, and if so what would you do about.

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LARED Dec 2012 OP
cleanhippie Dec 2012 #1
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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:01 AM

1. A worship service? Really? If that's the case, then they were 100% wrong.

But singing the song to show off their skill and entertain the passengers was awesome! Too bad some fundies had to come along and make it out to be a "worship service" and in the process, alienated anyone who may have just liked the music and talent.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:07 AM

4. Either way they literally had a captured audience

 

forced to listen to them. If someone had told them to shut up then they would have been offended. How lovely.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:20 AM

6. I tend to agree -

though the school website ( http://www.indwes.edu/Church-Relations/Ministry-Teams/University-Chorale/ ) does list the Chorale as a "ministry", which muddies the waters a bit. Depends on what they did after they stopped singing, I suppose.

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:35 PM

63. Some churches call every church-related activity a "ministry".

So, the canned food drive is a ministry. The choir group is a ministry. The church softball team is a ministry. And so on. It all depends on how that particular church uses the word.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:25 PM

15. Well it is worship, but I agree

 

it's a bit of a stretch to call it a service.

What I don't understand is how calling it a worship service rather that just worship or just plain singing. alienated anyone who may have just liked the music and talent.

Either the singers were talented and entertaining or they were not.




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Response to LARED (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:08 PM

21. When you understand why calling it worship is offensive

You will understand the bigger argument made by non-believers and secularists about the overreach of religious beliefs an their place of privilege.

I must say that I find it stupefying at just how you seem unable to grasp the idea that a captive audience being subjected to what believers themselves called a worship service is offensive.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:47 PM

32. Two things

 

I think this is a case where you have a different definition of worship and "worship service" than I do. You appears to have a constrained view of what worship means a "corporate only" type of activity.

And

I completely grasp and understand why some may find this offensive. No where have I ever indicated anything different.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:28 AM

83. You do not have the right to not be offended. nt

 

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Response to LARED (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:00 AM

81. And if a Muslim group had sung about Mohammed...

They would likely have been thrown OFF the plane.

You say not worship, I say don't sing about Jeebus then.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:04 PM

27. I think the song is the problem. A song without referencing "Jesus" would have been a better choice.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:05 AM

2. It would have made me more annoyed.

 

I am tired of people turning public events into some personal religious moment. They could have sang privately to themselves. Obviously they need to sing out loud to convince themselves. True belief comes from an inner strength you don't need to inflict on others.

I have been to meetings where I walked out when people proceeded to open with prayers. It is rude and annoying to assume everyone agrees with and wants to hear your sermon and singing. That tells me that the people have a certain mindset and agenda and dealing with them would be a waste of my time. I have learned this through experience and refuse to deal with it if I can.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:07 AM

3. I was on a very late plane once with a famous comic. He got up and did some material

a church group on the plane got all upset because he said 'damn' and we all had to go without entertainment as we sat. Thaks, religious folks!
Then again, I was once on a plane that had an engine fire over the Atlantic and passengers engaged in open prayer of many varieities. So the religious expect to be able to do as they wish, but they do not practice the same toward others....I don't really respect that way of doing things.
A good choir should have eccumenical material available if they wish to do public service with the music. It is not really kind to push a dogma at folks who are in fact, a captive audience. But expecting thoughtfulness from the religious is like expecting water from a rock. They will always do what they feel like doing and claim 'God told me to'.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:08 AM

5. Perfect example of the hypocrisy.

 

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:07 PM

12. I was with you until your broad brush, encompassing bash of "the religious".

I don't see how you can be so sensitive to some kinds of bigotry and not recognize it when you express yourself.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:07 PM

45. OMG...you've surpassed yourself

in irony with that post!

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:20 AM

7. If all they were doing was singing (entertaining)

then, to the slow witted people that didn't like it, I say give them the finger.
Now, if there was actual 'preaching' by them, then I say they were wrong.
However, in either case, I would have been so bored just setting there waiting, I don't think I
would have minded the music, even if it was religious songs.

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Response to clydefrand (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:00 PM

55. "to the slow witted people that didnt like it"

What. The. Fuck. A person not wanting to hear some choirs religious music is "slow witted"?! Wow. You have got one hell of a nerve. Religious music is NOT "entertaining" to everyone. Sure as hell isnt to me. Talk about slow witted.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:27 AM

8. Music gets a pass. Preaching does not.

Simple.

--imm

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:44 AM

9. They should have sung

"Leaving on a jet plane"

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:00 PM

10. Sorry, I found this offensive.

Go ahead and sing. Just choose a non-religious song. Christians are so sure that getting in my face with their religion is ok. It infuriates me. There is not another religion on Earth that offends me like Christianity. I wouldn't have minded a Jewish song, or a Hindu song. It's those Christians that get in my face and force me to listen to them when I know they would scream the loudest if another religion had done this. Can you imagine? I really hate hypocrites.

By the way, I loved the Christianity of my childhood where I was raised in a Baptist church that preached love, tolerance, and giving to the least among us. Things have changed. I want nothing to do with any of it now.

Respect others or risk losing the next generation, too.

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Response to rainin (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:09 PM

13. Most christians will never get in your face. In fact, you won't even know

they are christians.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:29 PM

16. Can't really say "most" but I agree that there are some.

Clearly, my experience is different than yours. Maybe geographical differences could account for that, I don't know. If I make conversation at the store, I hear it. I talk to the parents at my son's sporting events, I hear it. I go to the doctor or the vet, I hear it. Most of the time, I keep the conversations short. I am respectful, but I try not to encourage it to go on. I am ALWAYS amazed that these people assume I agree with them. They can't imagine that I don't want to hear about their Jesus or their God or their faith. They simply can't conceive of how disrespectful it is to leave no room for others to have a different belief. Arrogance. Zero humility.

To your point, I appreciate those Christians who do not get in my face.

Note: Use of the word "most" requires data that verifies greater than 50%. In the absence of data, I usually stick to the word "some".

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Response to rainin (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:36 PM

17. Agree. You live in a remarkably different kind of place than I do.

But I have lived all over this country and traveled to 49 states. My experience is that most religious people do not talk about their religion, let alone put it in your face. It's just that those that do are so incredibly obnoxious that they are hard to forget.

I particularly dislike those that come to my door (which rarely happens these days, as my door is really not easy to get to).

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Response to cbayer (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:55 PM

24. Gotta spill some gratitude.

I'm new to DU. In fact, this is the first time I have joined a discussion on any forum. Thank you for joining in the conversation with me. I think I am hooked. It is so cool that people will take time to respond to my comments. Thank you and thanks DU.

Sorry this comment is off topic. I'm feeling gratitude and I don't know where best to express it.

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Response to rainin (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:59 PM

25. Well, big welcome to you rainin.

You chose a hard place to start, though, lol. This group can be pretty rough and tumble, but it can also be really interesting and engaging. Just don't take it too seriously or personally.

Look around at some of the smaller groups and find things you are interested in. We have it all here, pretty much.

Again, big welcome and I hope to see you around.

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Response to rainin (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:10 PM

22. When I used to live in the South I heard it all the time

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One of the most offensive times was when my dental hygienist was going on about "The Big JC" which of course was short for Jesus Christ. She droned on in one of those robotic, upbeat, saccharine manners that made me want to plunge a dental took into my temple to make it stop.

Of course, she had sharp instruments in my mouth so I said nothing. I did change dentists after that though.

So, small business owners, it does have an economic impact on your bottom line when your employees assume I want to hear proselytizing while I'm just trying to buy something. It makes me avoid your establishment and recommend to friends they do the same.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:04 PM

26. Until they do.

As for example, see the op. and then all objections will be dismissed.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #26)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:10 PM

28. All kinds of people can get in your face about what they believe or don't believe.

As I have said, this wouldn't have bothered me but I understand that it does bother others and is inappropriate when you have a captive audience.

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Response to rainin (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:03 AM

93. Much religion now is not like that at all! You may want to look around. nt

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:04 PM

11. My husband has a great story about being on a plane to New Orleans

just 2 days before Katrina with a gospel choir from Australia. Perhaps he will post about it.

Anyway, I think spontaneous singing is great and could be simply seen as entertainment.

But I have no doubt that there will be those that are offended, and if they can't get away, it is probably best to not do this. Pity, though.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:03 PM

19. Spontaneous singing... but of what?

"I Will Survive?"

"Misty Mountain Hop?"

"Call Me Maybe?"

Nope. A song about Jesus.

As such, there's no way to view this as anything other than proselytizing.

I mean, FFS, I'm gay and I don't like Glee. No need to have it shoved into my face in real life...

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Response to Plantaganet (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:24 PM

23. It wouldn't bother me in the least, but I recognize that it might bother others.

One of my favorite events is New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival, and one of my favorite venues there is the gospel tent. But no one is forced to go to that venue.

This is quite a different situation. A secular piece would have been a better choice, imo, but, even then, some people would probably object on other grounds.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:14 PM

72. The problem I have with much contemporary "Christian" music

is not that it's Christian but that it's not recognizably music. One of my unfondest memories of the same is finding myself right under the loudspeaker in the ladies' room of a grocery store listening to some horribly offkey "singer" belt out "Before I found God/ Before I found God, BIFG, BIFG," with no control over the feedback of his guitar.

OWCH!!

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Response to okasha (Reply #72)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:19 PM

73. And the opposite is true as well.

While making our frequent road trips, I often go through the stations looking for something different.

So many times, I have found stations that sound like they are playing decent rock/country alternatives, but upon close listening they turn out to be "christian rock".

It's a huge industry apparently.

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Response to okasha (Reply #72)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:06 AM

94. How right you are! nt

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:23 PM

14. I would put on my headphones and listen to what ever I please. "In your face" opportunism is

offensive and rude. I purchase a plane ticket to fly to my destination and not to be used to demonstrate ones talents or proselytizing.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:45 PM

18. Did you ever see the movie "A Very Brady Sequel"?

there's a scene in the movie where the Bradys are flying to Hawaii and all the kids jump up in the plane and start singing and dancing. At some point either the pilot or steward comes on over the plane's intercom and tells them to stop singing and take their seats.. It's like that for me.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:03 PM

20. It wpuld piss me off. nt

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:11 PM

29. If they were singing, "Give me to Allah" they would have been wrestled to the ground. n/t

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Response to Ian David (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:02 PM

56. bingo.

Imagine "give me to satan"

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:19 PM

30. I remember when I first saw this

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It was earlier this year and we had just received word that my grandmother would not be alive for much longer. As a Christian, it really ministered peace to my spirit. Even now, the tears are flowing as I think about my grandmother, who passed a few weeks later-- she lived a great, long life and is resting in eternal peace. Thanks for sharing this.

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Response to qanda (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:49 PM

33. You are welcome. nt

 

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:20 PM

31. My true response to that?..

Gives me the creeps. Sorry to be so simplistic but if I had been on that plane I would have opened my window and climbed out. :>

BTW-- looks like they are on an MD-80 or a DC-9.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:58 PM

35. You must lead a sheltered life. Have you never heard a group sing Christmas carols? Not

 

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much difference. And it's pretty hard to offend anyone with choir music. But you cannot please everyone, so don't try.

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Response to humblebum (Reply #35)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:06 PM

57. Have you ever been trapped in a metal tube with a group singing Christmas carols?

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Response to bunnies (Reply #57)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 04:10 PM

91. I think anyone or group of musicians deciding...

...to do an impromptu performance to a captive audience would be annoying to a certain percentage
of people.
I can think of all sorts of genres of music I wouldn't want to listen to.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:19 PM

34. Well, I loved the music, found it soothing and beautiful. But....

.....who called it a "worship service"? The college group, or the reporter? Just singing, even a Christian song, doesn't bother me, unless it was accompanied by prayers, scripture reading, and/or "teaching". In that case it is going over the line, and becomes intrusive and annoying to some people, including me.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 06:52 PM

36. It would have annoyed me if it were any religion, although I wouldn't have made a fuss.

What's really annoying is the assumption that because they were christians, nobody could possibly object. Imagine a group of muslims doing it, though...

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Response to mr blur (Reply #36)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 07:18 PM

37. Who made that assumption? There are many either objecting or acknowledging that

some could legitimately object in this thread.

Perhaps the assumptions are yours?

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Response to cbayer (Reply #37)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:12 PM

46. Uh, the SINGERS did

when they started singing Christian songs to people who didn't ask them to, and couldn't leave if they wanted to. They just assumed that everyone would enjoy hearing it, because, hey...everybody loves Jebus, right? As pointed out, if a group of Muslims had done that, or done ANYTHING as a group, they would have been wrestled to the ground and arrested.

Christian privilege at its finest.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:17 PM

38. I would have been incredibly annoyed

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:03 AM

39. I don't know that I'd call that a worship service

If they sounded good, I'd love it. If they sucked, I'd be pushing the call button and complaining to the flight attendants.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:07 AM

40. Inappropriate, rude, and in-your-face.

Not that that's new behavior for proselytizing Christians, though. They just assume everyone is either a Christian just like them, or desperately needs to hear "the word" so their souls are saved.

Atheists in this situation are expected to sit down, shut up, and quietly defer to the majority religious belief. And that's exactly what most Christians (including a whole bunch of them on DU) expect, and see absolutely nothing wrong with it. Christian privilege at its finest.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #40)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:14 AM

41. So everyone is supposed to sit down and shut up to keep you from being offended?

 

Put your ear buds in and close your eyes.

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Response to humblebum (Reply #41)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:14 PM

47. No people are supposed to respect the personal space of others

and not willingly and deliberately impose themselves on people who may not welcome it.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #47)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:48 PM

48. Yes, those choirs are pretty darn subversive. My guess is that most enjoyed the

 

diversion from sheer boredom.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #40)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:10 PM

42. I guess Christmas carolers stopped by your house

 

exactly once.

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Response to LARED (Reply #42)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:11 AM

43. Your personal swipe is not appreciated.

So much for "Christian" behavior.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #43)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:11 PM

44. Sorry, I mistakenly thought

 

your animosity towards Christians was not limited to this BB.

Plus lighten up a little, it was pretty harmless.

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Response to LARED (Reply #44)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:17 AM

49. My animosity toward Christians is generally limited to those who are unable to recognize...

the Christian privilege they enjoy in this country. Those who think this is a "Christian nation" and want it recognized as such.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #49)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:36 AM

85. Of course I recognize the Christian Privilege in America.

 

When ~80% of Americans consider themselves Christian that is a normal outcome. Thankfully in America this is of little consequence to the non christian. In fact I consider this a relatively good thing. You may find Christians annoying and dim witted but at the end of the day none of your rights are impacted by a Christian majority. Sure people may judge you based on what you believe or not believe, but that's one of the outcomes of living in a free society.

The problem is you use the term in a way that implies non Christians are hindered or discriminated from living their lives in any way they choose. That's not true.




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Response to LARED (Reply #85)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:40 PM

86. Must be awesome living in your little bubble.

My rights as a non-believer can be, and are, impacted by the Christian majority. Countless examples have been cited in this very group, from custody rights to serving in government. You brush this off by saying it's just people (Christians) being jerks, but that's the point: they get to be jerks AND have their jerkiness affect others because of their majority status.

That you are unable to process this only confirms that no, you don't recognize Christian privilege.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists#United_States

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Response to trotsky (Reply #86)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:23 PM

87. So what do you suggest the path forward to be.

 

Make atheists a protect class of people?

Scrubb every vestige of religion from the public square?

Start a be extra nice to atheists week. Or maybe proclaim an atheist awareness month.

Frankly not even atheists agree there is discrimination. While I get it irritates you I am having a hard time getting worked up to defend your choice. Not everyone's opinion is popular. Most manage to get through live without acting like a victim.









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Response to LARED (Reply #87)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:29 PM

88. The path forward is to point out when people like you are feeding anti-atheist bigotry.

If you can't even see an issue when actual custody decisions have taken children away from a parent simply because they were an atheist, it's YOU who has the problem. Your immersion in privilege has you blaming victims instead of acknowledging wrongs. I feel sorry for you.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #88)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:39 PM

89. You claim someone lost custody solely because they were an atheist.

 

link please.

If true that is wrong.

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Response to LARED (Reply #89)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:05 AM

90. It's true.

http://atheism.about.com/b/2006/03/30/atheists-discriminated-against-in-child-custody-cases.htm

I will accept your apology whenever you are ready. That would go a long way toward showing me how a "true Christian" behaves when confronted with the truth.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:32 AM

50. I doubt it would have bothered me personally (assuming they were any good) BUT

It's a fine example of Christian privilege. Anybody who does not see this should imagine a group of Muslim singers praising the joys of being with Allah, or an atheist choir singing a Tim Minchin song, and contemplate the inevitable response.

IOKIYAC. Applies every time, every situation.

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Response to dmallind (Reply #50)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:55 AM

53. Yeah, I've been stuck on a plane like this before

and it was maddening. As long as the group was good and not preaching at me in between songs, I would've appreciated the break in the monotony. That goes for Muslim singers, secular/atheist, whatever.

And, yes, I think if it HAD been a Muslim group, the outcome of this incident would have been much worse...for the singers.

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Response to dmallind (Reply #50)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:57 AM

54. What a bunch of BS. I think there would be much less objection if a secular group

got up and sang secular songs.

But your blinders are so narrow that all you can see is IOKIYAC. Take them off for awhile and look around.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #54)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:50 PM

64. Balls. I said atheist not secular (and I note you're avoiding the Muslim example too)

Can you, even you, pretend with a straight face that an atheistic song would have been welcome, and a Muslim one would have been allowed to proceed without definite violence and deplaning, and likely interrogation?

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Response to dmallind (Reply #64)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:17 PM

65. What's an atheistic song?

I would have no issue with a Jewish or Muslim or Christian or secular song, but have said repeatedly in this thread that I can understand why others might and think it was inappropriate.

I'm not sure what a Muslim song is either, unless it was a call to prayer. But I doubt very much it would lead to violence and interrogation.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:39 AM

51. I would have been vomiting in the barf bag. Makes me sick.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:50 AM

52. I hope the airlines still hand out ear plugs and eye masks. n/t

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:09 PM

58. Depends on the mood, etc.

I'm agnostic and hearing people saying things like "praise Jesus" and "Jesus saves" is like nails on a chalk board to me. But having said that I love hearing certain Christmas songs, my favorite one being "Oh Holy Night". Even though the song is all about Jesus's birth, etc. I just think it's a beautiful song. I still tear up when I hear this song. Not because of the words, it's just that I can appreciate the beauty of the song and the emotion behind it. "Fall on your knees, Oh hear the angel voices..". I may not believe in angels or Christ, but I can relate to the emotion of someone who does and how deeply they feel about it. I guess like listening to a beautiful aria. You don't have to be personally related to the characters involved in the aria to appreciate it's beauty.

So I guess it would depend upon how the singers handled themselves. I can enjoy watching and listening to someone sing for the joy of it and appreciate the emotion that THEY are feeling, just as long as they aren't trying to shove it in my face.

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Response to joc46224 (Reply #58)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:23 PM

61. Welcome to the religion group joc46224.

I know what you mean. There are certain pieces of opera that tear me up, even though I don't know what they are saying.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #61)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 07:25 AM

82. That's the power

of music.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:11 PM

59. I would have followed with

Just a Bowl of Butter Beans
We don't want no collard greens

(to the tune of Just a Closer Walk with thee)

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:12 PM

60. OMG I'd have lost my shit.

Couldnt even make it a minute into the video. If I want to hear that crap I'll go to CHURCH. Otherwise, I dont think its unreasonable to expect that I NOT have others religious views shoved down my throat (or in my ears).

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:24 PM

62. Good grief--whether you like it

or not, it is the season of Christmas. I would bet it was the intent of the chorale to create a calm and peaceful environment in what could have become a very stressful setting. I would have relaxed and appreciated and enjoyed the moment.

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Response to corneliamcgillicutty (Reply #62)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:12 PM

66. You're solidly in the camp

of Christian privilege, and don't even know it.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #66)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:07 AM

67. Notice that you also have the privilege to criticize,

 

My advice to the choir is to keep singing. They also sang in English. So is that English language privilege?

The real abuse is forcing passengers to sit on the ground for such extended periods of time. But of course not a word about that.

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Response to humblebum (Reply #67)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:11 AM

69. ...............

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Response to humblebum (Reply #67)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 05:43 PM

74. No one is required to

listen to my criticism if they choose not to. People here are not imprisoned in this room and forced to read every post.

And if you have a problem with airline policy and airline delays, talk to the airline. That's not remotely the subject of this thread, and for you to imply it should be shows just how lame you've become. If people are stupid enough to get on a plane without something to keep them occupied that won't disturb other people, they deserve to be bored during the type of delays that any moron should anticipate. Their stupidity and shortsightedness doesn't give them the right to annoy other people.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #74)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:22 PM

78. So if it was annoying to so many others, how come they weren't complaining?

 

Appears to me they were enjoying the entertainment.

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Response to corneliamcgillicutty (Reply #62)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:18 PM

77. Passover, actually

Vernal equinox

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:29 AM

68. I would have preferred something more like Sally Can't Dance's performance in Con Air.

But that's just me.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:36 PM

70. I would like to add something you might not have thought of

There are many non-christians out there that feel really threatened by in your face Christians.

As both a Wiccan and a member of the LBGT community, if someone makes it a point of telling me/showing me how religious they are I am automatically put on guard until I can figure out who they are / where they are coming from.

Gospel songs might be terrific to some people, but for others they represent a religious culture that may have been none to kind to them in the past.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:23 PM

71. Already addressed above.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:17 PM

76. I hate that chorale shit.

It's worse than bagpipes. They would have been interrupting my reading

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:44 PM

79. A little too reminiscent of the Titanic's band for my taste!

A surreal moment. Singing about dying in an airplane is funny to me because I always think I am going to die when I get in the airplane. The musical choice was oddly inappropriate for the setting. But I think I still would have enjoyed the concert. I am not religious but it does make me laugh that I could be serenaded by an angel band in an airplane! That's like a very bad dream after eating spicy food.

And I promise not to mention Lord of the Flies.

Sorry I can't stop laughing.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:58 AM

80. Yeah fuck those Jews, Muslims and Seiks that may be on the plane.

I would have been pissed as hell.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #80)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:02 PM

84. Seiks on a plane?

Movie pun!

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 05:10 PM

92. Too bad it wasn't in Latin

It's easier for me to hear another language simply as musical sound, even when the translation is known to me.

All that "Give me Jesus!" in English, no matter how well sung, is a bit gag inducing to me.

Then again, I can deal with the Handel's Hallelujah Chorus just fine, and that's in clear English. Maybe it's because talking singing about Jesus, Jesus, Jesus comes off as especially cloying and obnoxious because of all of the mental associations I have with fundies going on and on about Sweet Jeebus.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:23 AM

95. If you go through all classical music and eliminate from having to hear

everything written and produced with Christianity, or Judaism in mind, you would have gutted must stuff.
There goes Bach, Mozart on and on and on. Some folks here must have walked out of most symphony concerts. When I go to Disney Hall I am a captive audience if they play and sing the a Mozart Mass. Would that really offend most of us? Do you look at the program beforehand and refuse to go if it is religious? I doubt it.

On the other hand I too am offended by so much religious trash that passes for music.

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Response to LARED (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:50 AM

96. There couldn't have been that

many people on board not associated with the choir besides the crew. The plane looks like a Boeing 717 which has roughly 100 passenger seats, maybe a little more if there was no 1st class. There were 85 members in the choir plus the director and a few other traveling escort/companions. There just couldn't have been many people there who weren't with the church group/choir.

I don't care for that kind of music. Traditional black gospel would have been much better on the ears for me.

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