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Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:04 PM

No, it's not 'Christians'' fault Obama won

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/16/15219396-no-its-not-christians-fault-obama-won

By NBC's Domenico Montanaro

The outspoken Rev. Franklin Graham claimed today that the “majority of Christians” did not vote.

“We know that from of the statistics that I’ve heard that the majority of Christians in this country just did not vote for whatever reason,” he told the Christian Broadcasting Network’s David Brody. “The vast majority of evangelicals did not go to the polls.” He added, “God is in control, and if Christians are upset, they need to be upset at themselves. We need to do a better job of getting our people- the church to vote. Now, I’m not trying to tell you how to vote, you can vote, but vote, my goodness, and vote for candidates that stand for Biblical values.

But Graham’s assertion -- and implication that had white Christian evangelicals just showed up in bigger numbers, President Obama would have lost -- is off base.

In fact, white evangelicals/born-again Christians made up the same percentage of the electorate as they did in 2008 – 26%. They voted for Mitt Romney, a devout Mormon, by a wider margin than they did for Sen. John McCain four years ago.

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Response to cbayer (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:11 PM

1. Well, if gawd is in control, maybe he didn't want those Christians to vote at all.

I don't suppose the good Rev thought about that, huh.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:16 PM

2. Well, since the "statistics that I have heard" are completely wrong, it might

be hard to know what a god may have intended.

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Response to cbayer (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:23 PM

3. For Christ sakes, how can Graham even pretend this is true?

I am gob smacked by his statement.

We live in a country with a huge majority of Christians. Just the fact that Obama won says that a majority of Christians voted for him.

What Franklin Graham is really saying is that there weren't enough of the right kind of Christians voting, those narrow minded haters like his father and him.

Well, screw you, Reverends Graham. You guys -- and they're nearly always guys, in case anybody hasn't noticed -- are in the process of extinction. What all this demographic talk during the election post-mortem was really about was about you guys. This election has shown "you people" what the dinosaurs felt when a certain heavenly body (so to speak) struck in the Yucatan creating the Chicxulub crater.

This is your slow motion Chicxulub event, Franklin. Evolve, or perish.

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Response to longship (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:25 PM

4. Lol. This is why I love your rants!

Agree wholeheartedly. Sour grapes, spilt milk and all that. He's clueless.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:53 PM

6. Well, my knickers do get in a bunch sometimes.

But I adhere to the maxim that ridicule is the only rational response to ridiculous pronouncements.

That is what Joe Biden did with Paul Ryan in their debate. He openly laughed in his face throughout the entire affair. It was extremely effective only because Ryan's position was ridiculous.

That's also why I am such a big fan of the late Christopher Hitchens. Even though he was a deeply flawed character, he gave no quarter in his ridicule of ridiculous concepts. He was also, at base, a very gracious person. Many people do not see that side of him, but he did have many close friends who disagreed with him on many primary issues. He was altogether an admirable person, in my estimation. Plus, he was a helluva writer and speaker. I miss him already.

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Response to longship (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:58 PM

8. I thoroughly enjoyed the Biden-Ryan debate.

Biden did everything Obama could not and did it with great skill, imo.

I also enjoyed some of Hitchens' sardonic treatment of those he disagreed with, although I didn't really like him very much. He was biting and articulate and could take someone down with very few words. His wife's reflections on him have revealed someone more personable and kind than I saw, but he was, often, playing a role for the media, imo.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:18 PM

9. Indeed, Hitch was a bit of a media whore.

And in discussions he could monopolize the turf, so to speak. I have heard him interviewed numerous times and he was always gracious even to those with whom he disagrees. On his book tour for God is not Great he went through the heart of the Bible Belt, at his own insistence and over the objections of his publisher and his agent. He debated at every opportunity, often more than once at a venue because of demand. His opponents gladly agreed to these unplanned extensions because of Hitch's easy-going and gracious manners.

Maybe it was the Johnny Walker that he always kept close.

But his writing was awesome. I want to get his Thomas Paine and Jefferson books.

I always thoroughly enjoy our little colloquies here. You are a true blue pal. When we disagree, I always am looking to learn something new. Thanks for that my friend.

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Response to cbayer (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:51 PM

5. In reality, plenty of "Christians" voted ...

just not for "the right guy" ... according to the really nutjob types ...

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Response to zbdent (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:53 PM

7. Among his other deficits, he apparently can't interpret poll data.

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Response to cbayer (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:54 PM

10. "You're all worthless and weak!"

"Now drop and give me twenty!"

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Response to cbayer (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:53 PM

11. Gee, maybe some of those Christians didn't vote

because your addled dad told them that Romney belonged to a religious cult, Franky. Scrubbing his website came a little too late, but you and your ilk seem to think that erasing things on the intertubes makes it like they never existed.

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