Vatican softens stance on gay marriage in the face of election results

nonsense coming down from the Vatican. I have to tell you - it's hard. I feel like someone who has defected because the government is intolerable. You still love your country, but it's not your country any more.

So - have a heart.

What a lot of other people should do, but refuse to. You're not part of the problem.

the people who are homophobic want everyone else to leave so they can have a smaller, purer church. What would you do if someone moved into your house and told you to leave?

And if they want a purer church with deeply bigoted attitudes, let them have it. As noted, diluting them with people who don't share their views, but continue to support and enable their agenda, isn't working. At all. People who keep trying to justify their moral cowardice by saying they hope to change things from within are delusional.

And if someone invaded my house and refused to leave, I'd beat them with a baseball bat until they saw things my way. But in this case, the problem is not with trespassers, it's with the homeowners.

so to speak. They don't support those views, but they think they can find a way not to enable them. I left more because I was tired of fighting than anything else.

If they swell its membership rolls, if they toss even one dime in the collection plate, if they self-identify as Catholics and lend even an ounce of legitimacy to the Catholic church's entrenched and proudly declared bigotry, they ARE enabling. The way not to do any of those things is obvious, they just don't have the courage to do it.

They have been there all along. Leaving is the best thing you could have done. I applaud you courage and wish you well.

I hope many follow your lead!

I quit the Church as a teenager and haven't regretted it since. I also got involved in a different church so as I noted, doing so doesn't mean you have to cease being a Christian.

Regardless, congratulations!

This is the headline with the article:

As clever as ever, ruggie.

As transparent as ever, scottie.

Good start. But poor ruggie...you didn't click on that headline thinking it was TRUE, did you? Like every other sane and sensible person here, you knew immediately upon reading it that it was ridiculous to even imagine that the Vatican could EVER soften its hateful, bigoted, homophobic stance on gay marriage, right?

You DID know that, right??

You have yet to let me down, scottie.

But the message is becoming clearer, I think. The moderate/liberal laity are telling the hierarchy to go left or get left.

They have no competence to speak authoritatively on civil law.

My headline was just a touch of irony. Lost on you, but that's ok..

The continuous drift to the right of the Catholic Church seems to be a tectonic phenomenon, irreversible and inevitable.

The last liberal moment the church had was just about 50 years ago, and they are still in schism over it.

Some of the more tight-sphinctered on the board didn't seem to appreciate it, though...ah, well...

good one LOL

When the money supply starts to dry up then the church
will come up with a sign from god to change their ways