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Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:28 PM

Vatican softens stance on gay marriage in the face of election results

Yeah, right...

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121110/UPDATE/211100370#

Guess that "change from within" thingie ain't working so well. Sorry, but anyone who STILL voluntary supports this organization, and justifies it with mealy-mouthed rationalizations deserves to be counted with the bigots.

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Reply Vatican softens stance on gay marriage in the face of election results (Original post)
skepticscott Nov 2012 OP
Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #1
hedgehog Nov 2012 #2
skepticscott Nov 2012 #3
hedgehog Nov 2012 #5
skepticscott Nov 2012 #6
hedgehog Nov 2012 #9
skepticscott Nov 2012 #11
cleanhippie Nov 2012 #8
trotsky Nov 2012 #16
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #21
ButterflyBlood Nov 2012 #23
rug Nov 2012 #4
skepticscott Nov 2012 #7
rug Nov 2012 #10
skepticscott Nov 2012 #12
rug Nov 2012 #13
okasha Nov 2012 #14
rug Nov 2012 #17
skepticscott Nov 2012 #15
dimbear Nov 2012 #18
skepticscott Nov 2012 #19
humblebum Nov 2012 #20
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #22

Response to skepticscott (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:29 PM

1. Another institution striving to become obsolete

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Response to skepticscott (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:31 PM

2. Hey - I just switched to the Episcoplean Church because of all the

nonsense coming down from the Vatican. I have to tell you - it's hard. I feel like someone who has defected because the government is intolerable. You still love your country, but it's not your country any more.

So - have a heart.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:45 PM

3. Well, you've done

What a lot of other people should do, but refuse to. You're not part of the problem.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:04 PM

5. I'm saying that it's a very, very tough decision. Among other things,

the people who are homophobic want everyone else to leave so they can have a smaller, purer church. What would you do if someone moved into your house and told you to leave?

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:20 PM

6. The homophobes will be there, no matter what

And if they want a purer church with deeply bigoted attitudes, let them have it. As noted, diluting them with people who don't share their views, but continue to support and enable their agenda, isn't working. At all. People who keep trying to justify their moral cowardice by saying they hope to change things from within are delusional.

And if someone invaded my house and refused to leave, I'd beat them with a baseball bat until they saw things my way. But in this case, the problem is not with trespassers, it's with the homeowners.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:25 PM

9. Well, the good folks that are staying are more or less looking for that baseball bat,

so to speak. They don't support those views, but they think they can find a way not to enable them. I left more because I was tired of fighting than anything else.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:35 PM

11. If they belong to the church

If they swell its membership rolls, if they toss even one dime in the collection plate, if they self-identify as Catholics and lend even an ounce of legitimacy to the Catholic church's entrenched and proudly declared bigotry, they ARE enabling. The way not to do any of those things is obvious, they just don't have the courage to do it.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:26 PM

8. I hate to tell you this, but the homophobes and bigots were there before you were.

They have been there all along. Leaving is the best thing you could have done. I applaud you courage and wish you well.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:38 PM

16. Congrats and well done!

I hope many follow your lead!

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:57 AM

21. ..........

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:28 PM

23. It's hard? One of the easiest things I ever did.

I quit the Church as a teenager and haven't regretted it since. I also got involved in a different church so as I noted, doing so doesn't mean you have to cease being a Christian.

Regardless, congratulations!

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Response to skepticscott (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:52 PM

4. Where did you get that headline?

This is the headline with the article:

Vatican digs in after gay marriage advances

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Response to rug (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:21 PM

7. Wow, you picked up on that, did you?

As clever as ever, ruggie.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:27 PM

10. Rather easy to distinguish a fake headline from the real one.

As transparent as ever, scottie.

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Response to rug (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:40 PM

12. So you've proven you can read

Good start. But poor ruggie...you didn't click on that headline thinking it was TRUE, did you? Like every other sane and sensible person here, you knew immediately upon reading it that it was ridiculous to even imagine that the Vatican could EVER soften its hateful, bigoted, homophobic stance on gay marriage, right?

You DID know that, right??

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:44 PM

13. Of course not. I never click on a post of yours expecting it to be true.

You have yet to let me down, scottie.

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Response to rug (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:33 PM

14. Nor do I, nor have I been let down, either.

But the message is becoming clearer, I think. The moderate/liberal laity are telling the hierarchy to go left or get left.

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Response to okasha (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:50 PM

17. I think the limits of the bishops' authority is becoming clearer.

They have no competence to speak authoritatively on civil law.

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Response to rug (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:31 PM

15. The truth was in the article, and out there for everyone to see

My headline was just a touch of irony. Lost on you, but that's ok..

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Response to skepticscott (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:26 PM

18. Thanks for a good laugh!!

The continuous drift to the right of the Catholic Church seems to be a tectonic phenomenon, irreversible and inevitable.

The last liberal moment the church had was just about 50 years ago, and they are still in schism over it.

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Response to dimbear (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:16 PM

19. You're welcome!

Some of the more tight-sphinctered on the board didn't seem to appreciate it, though...ah, well...

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Response to skepticscott (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:08 AM

20. "deserves to be counted with the bigots" -

 

good one LOL

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Response to skepticscott (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:02 AM

22. The church understands money more than they do souls

When the money supply starts to dry up then the church
will come up with a sign from god to change their ways

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