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Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:54 AM

cbayer (120,001 posts)

Ryan says Obama's policies threaten 'Judeo-Christian' values

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57544910/ryan-says-obamas-policies-threaten-judeo-christian-values/

By REBECCA KAPLAN / CBS NEWS/ November 4, 2012, 11:04 PM

DENVER In a last-minute call to rally religious conservatives to vote, Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan said Sunday night that President Obama is taking the country down a path that threatens the "Judeo-Christian" values upon which the country was founded.

"It's a dangerous path, it's a path that grows government, restricts freedom and liberty, and compromises those values, those Judeo-Christian, Western civilization values that made us such a great and exceptional nation in the first place," Ryan said during an unpublicized teletown hall with members of the Faith & Freedom Coalition.

"He was talking about issues like religious liberty and Obamacare -- topics he has mentioned frequently during the campaign," said Ryan campaign spokesman Michael Steel.

Although Ryan does not often talk about America's past in religious terms, GOP nominee Mitt Romney said in a commencement address to Liberty University earlier this year that Judeo-Christian values are "central to America's rise to global leadership."

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Ryan says Obama's policies threaten 'Judeo-Christian' values (Original post)	cbayer	Nov 2012	OP
he really means Ayn Rand values n/t	Enrique	Nov 2012	#1
Desperate last minute fishing expedition. Bye Ryan!	cbayer	Nov 2012	#2
One: this country was NOT founded on Judeo-Christian ANYTHING. The founders were quite....	Raster	Nov 2012	#3
Agree and agree. This is just political pandering on his part.	cbayer	Nov 2012	#4
How can you pretend to know what someone else's true motivations are?	trotsky	Nov 2012	#8
I'm sorry I don't think the poster is "...pretend to know what someone else's true motivations are..	Raster	Nov 2012	#9
Because said poster has scornfully dismissed other people's OPINIONS.	trotsky	Nov 2012	#10
Sounds like you have issues with said poster.	Raster	Nov 2012	#11
So if you don't think someone acts like a caring person,	trotsky	Nov 2012	#12
Rmoney isn't even a Christian, doesn't he believe in Zerco or something from planet Koptor?	doc03	Nov 2012	#5
Romney has Mexi-mormon values	Enrique	Nov 2012	#7
Jesus said: "Thou shalt voucher-ize medicare. And give the rich man a free ride"	emulatorloo	Nov 2012	#6
We can only hope. nt	Lost-in-FL	Nov 2012	#13
So healthcare is against 'Judeo-Christian values'?	LeftishBrit	Nov 2012	#14
Ryan is a total hypocrite. He wouldn't know a Judeo-Christian value if	cbayer	Nov 2012	#15

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Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:57 AM

Enrique (22,598 posts)

1. he really means Ayn Rand values n/t

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Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:09 AM

cbayer (120,001 posts)

2. Desperate last minute fishing expedition. Bye Ryan!

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Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:12 AM

Raster (12,615 posts)

3. One: this country was NOT founded on Judeo-Christian ANYTHING. The founders were quite....

...clear about their feelings about religion.

Two: Christ said: That which you do for the least of my brothers and sisters, you do for me.

That does not mean "let's cancel our society's safety net... here, have a voucher."

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Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:20 AM

cbayer (120,001 posts)

4. Agree and agree. This is just political pandering on his part.

IMHO, he uses his catholicism for political gain only.

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Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:56 AM

trotsky (32,967 posts)

8. How can you pretend to know what someone else's true motivations are?

That strikes me as highly presumptuous and arrogant.

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Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:43 PM

Raster (12,615 posts)

9. I'm sorry I don't think the poster is "...pretend to know what someone else's true motivations are..

Last edited Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:45 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

The poster quite clearly began their comment with "IMHO", which is "In My Humble Opinion."

The poster was just offering an OPINION.

ON EDIT: It is a valid assumption that this would/could be political pandering on Ryan's part. Everything he does is political pandering. Why should his religion be any different?

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Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:51 PM

trotsky (32,967 posts)

10. Because said poster has scornfully dismissed other people's OPINIONS.

I am just wondering about their consistency. Some people are A-OK with having blatant double standards, and if that's the case, I think others should be informed about that lest they get roped into a discussion with someone who is less than honest.

Now as to the topic at hand - all politicians pander. They have to, in order to get elected. Have you considered the possibility that President Obama is pandering when he speaks religious language, too? Or do you think he's sincere?

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Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:12 PM

Raster (12,615 posts)

11. Sounds like you have issues with said poster.

As for President Obama, yes, for the most part, I do think he is sincere. For the most part his actions tell me he is a caring person, and one that seems to allow his Christian faith to guide him.

As for Ryan, I detect no such thing.

But just my opinion.

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Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:21 PM

trotsky (32,967 posts)

12. So if you don't think someone acts like a caring person,

then they must not be a Christian?

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Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:23 AM

doc03 (13,838 posts)

5. Rmoney isn't even a Christian, doesn't he believe in Zerco or something from planet Koptor?

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Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:39 AM

Enrique (22,598 posts)

7. Romney has Mexi-mormon values

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Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:31 AM

emulatorloo (24,205 posts)

6. Jesus said: "Thou shalt voucher-ize medicare. And give the rich man a free ride"

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Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:44 PM

Lost-in-FL (7,066 posts)

13. We can only hope. nt

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Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:08 AM

LeftishBrit (29,611 posts)

14. So healthcare is against 'Judeo-Christian values'?

I never heard that.

But bearing false witness against your neighbour, as the Right constantly did about Obama, is certainly against 'Judeo-Christian values', as presumably the Ten Commandments reflect these if anything does.

In any case, the 'Judeo' part is certainly cynical; the far Right generally have little time for Jews, except when it helps the rhetoric.

Oh well, at least Romney 'n Ryan lost!

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Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:31 AM

cbayer (120,001 posts)

15. Ryan is a total hypocrite. He wouldn't know a Judeo-Christian value if

it sat on his face.

Glad we will be seeing less of him. Sorry that we will be subjected to him at all in the future.

Best word I know of to describe his is punk.

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