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Sat Nov 3, 2012, 08:13 PM

 

Native American religious beliefs

Can anyone fill me in on how many are practiced to this day?

How many are there? Where are they practiced? Can outsiders attend their ceremonies?

Has anyone here attended? Has anyone here been moved by them?

I'm just a very curious guy. I know not all of Native American religions were the same, but how many survived into the 21'st century and are practiced now?

I have only a few links, which I will share, but want to know more about people here and their experiences or personal knowledge.

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Reply Native American religious beliefs (Original post)
Si MC Nov 2012 OP
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #1
Si MC Nov 2012 #2
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #5
leftofcool Nov 2012 #3
Si MC Nov 2012 #4
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #7
skepticscott Nov 2012 #15
okasha Nov 2012 #18
xchrom Nov 2012 #6
Kali Nov 2012 #8
rug Nov 2012 #9
Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #16
okasha Nov 2012 #17
tama Nov 2012 #10
TheBarnOwl Nov 2012 #11
rug Nov 2012 #13
catbyte Nov 2012 #12
newfie11 Nov 2012 #14
SarahM32 Nov 2012 #19

Response to Si MC (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 08:18 PM

1. The Hopi do

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 08:25 PM

2. I was in Hopi territory on a Sunday, and....

 

went to a public ceremony. Evidently there are OTHER ceremonies where women and children and non-Hopi can NOT attend.

I was there on a Sunday, then took a trip on a boat, after the ceremony.

I was forced to pay $5 to attend, but 100 of us white folks did that.. and think it was just a show to get $500 for a half hour .........this was in AZ.........about 100 miles from the nearest big town.

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Response to Si MC (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 08:39 PM

5. No one forced you to do anything

and it was not just a show.
They have ceremonies that are open to the public and some that are not
Which Mesa were you on??
You do know that they have 3 right??
I have been there.

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Response to Si MC (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 08:25 PM

3. Each tribe has their own set of rituals and beliefs.

Not all people within any one tribe practice the beliefs of their elders. Many NAs are Christian, some are Catholic. Most rituals and ceremonies are private. It would be rare to be invited. I have been privileged to attend a couple of private rituals but I would never disclose any information to which I had been a part since it was private. Be wary of what you find on the net. When in doubt contact a tribal member or a tribal elder for correct information. Many powwows are public. You might try to find one in your area or close to you sometime to visit.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 08:30 PM

4. Thanks, I'm looking for personal knowledge

 

I think I'm quite capable of reading Wikipedia, to get answers like you provided.

Why do so many people who are r non Native American feel the need to comment on other people as if they know it all?

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Response to Si MC (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 08:42 PM

7. If you only want Native American responses then post

in the Native American Forum

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Response to Si MC (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:50 AM

15. Then why are you asking such idiotic questions as

how many Native American religions are there? Sheesh. Do you think anyone has personal knowledge of every single one of them? Where do you think that sort of information WOULD come from, if not from exactly the same type of source that's in Wikipedia?

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:23 PM

18. Some are traditional, some are Christian,

and some manage to amalgamate both. My great-grandfather was simultaneously a shaman and a deacon in the Baptist Church. I never have quite figured out how that worked.

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Response to Si MC (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 08:41 PM

6. 1st nations practices aren't for outsiders.

And that's really OK.

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Response to Si MC (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 08:48 PM

8. these things aren't static

parts of very old practices remain, others are lost or altered

they are like language in that way

I have some familiarity with Hopi life. Many of their ceremonies have been closed to outsiders because of obnoxious behavior. Comments like yours above would be a fairly good example. Your reaction to the privilege of observing a part of their ritual cycle derided because they collected a nominal fee to put up with your intrusion.

The fee is like someone charging a small amount to "give away" something like a puppy or kitten. It helps filter out the worst of the assholes. Jerks who are unwilling to spend even a small amount certainly aren't worth the bother. Even those who pay can still be insensitive, but at least maybe they will shut the fuck up during the event so they can "get what they paid for" instead of wandering off and snooping in places they are not welcome or talking/taking photos when asked not to. That sort of thing.

Viewing other cultures as a form of entertainment vs. observing and learning about them with respect. - the difference between a tourist and a traveler.

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Response to Kali (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 08:50 PM

9. Scorch!

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Response to Kali (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 08:39 AM

16. #1

Well said, Kali

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Response to Kali (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:20 PM

17. Thanks from this NA.

You put it very well.

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Response to Si MC (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 09:01 PM

10. Aho

 

There is lots, both in-tribe and "syncretistic" which are usually open to all interested. Look for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_Church
http://www.nativeamericanchurch.com/

I've participated swet-lodge by Aztec temascalero, in three day swet-lodge, dancing, peyote-seremony of Native American Church and several ayahuasca seremonies. PM if you want to ask more.

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Response to Si MC (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 09:59 PM

11. We don't really advertise our worship...

... but our 'ceremonies' are no stranger than, say, what any Catholic church would do on any given Sunday. And things have evolved, of course, over the years. There are true believers, agnostics, and atheists just as in the general population.

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Response to TheBarnOwl (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:32 PM

13. Welcome to DU.

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Response to Si MC (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:14 PM

12. Each tribe is different

If you are respectful, you wouldn't be turned away by us Ojibwes. We don't have double secret ceremonies.

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Response to Si MC (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:23 AM

14. The Lakota do

Some do and some do not on the res. I am not Lakota but worked many years on the res in SD. I love and respect these people. What has been done to them over the years will never be made right. Some ceremonies are open for everyone to see but others are not.

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Response to Si MC (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:02 PM

19. Many Native American prophecies are similar.

Native Americans in North, Central and South America had prophets that foretold rather remarkably similar scenarios, and they are consistent with most other world prophecies, including Hindu, Buddhist, and Judeo-Christian prophecies.

Read Native American Prophecies.
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