Wonder why the US is an outlier in this chart
**HINT: the shitty side of religion that many want to dismiss as just a tiny minority of the religions and religious in the US actually isn't and has a significant effect**
http://www.calamitiesofnature.com/archive/?c=559
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I agree, at least 40% are dumbasses. Unfortunately, some of those are schoolteachers and some are legislators. I speak for nobody but myself and that requires no permission from others. Back to the basement with you now.
and she has put us on total ignore. She can't see any posts by us or from us. So much for what you know.
You also must have missed my point. From you comment you were speaking for her! 
on edit: at least we do agree on one point, and not the little pointy one on top of your la tête.
Looks like you lost your chance to have those discussions. What a shame.
Now you get to piss in the wind all day long. That's what happens when you deal in grotesque malice. 
I don't tell my wife what to do and I don't care if it goes away or not. The more of you and your toadies who join the fray, the more you demonstrate your ugly methods for all to see. You are bigoted against all atheists who accept people of faith into their lives as equals. You call us "apologists". I have no need to apologize for my lack of prejudice. I dislike right-wing religious bigots. As an atheist myself, I detest atheist bigots. You let the side down. You are an embarrassment to all tolerant atheists.
"We're going to keep bringing it up each and every time she or you or any of your apologist ilk start your scolds about "broadbrushing" or insulting and denigrating people simply because of what they believe."
Who the fuck are we? You and your gang of giggling elbow nudgers?
I think you need to get back to the "clubhouse" and regroup with trottles and king kitten. Maybe do some damage control. Looks to me like you might have some trouble on the home front. I notice a few "apologists" are creeping back in. Gotta keep it pure down there in the basement. Away with you now.
to no avail! You might as well be 
It is the creationist who voted for the creationist legislators.
You should make a youtube video telling us to leave her alone.
I can't stop laughing and it is starting to hurt!!!!!!!!!!
Back to the basement with you now, oh sorry, the "clubhouse"
The kitten needs tickling and the poodle needs his belly rubbed.
So she has her head in the sand, and you, well, its obvious where your head is.
Tell me, is ignorance bliss?
You are so cute.
It looks as though they took the non-US data from where there had been surveys, so there may not have been polls from other countries that were suitable for inclusion.
For other countries:
, and a 2009 poll reported (PDF) that 48% of Russians who "know something about Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution" agreed that there was sufficient evidence for the theory. (In comparison, only 41% of Americans agreed.)
http://ncse.com/news/2010/06/creationism-russia-005566
Some people are referred to as 'evolutionist's' (sic) and believe that human beings were in fact created over a long period of time of evolution growing into fully formed human beings they are today from lower species such as apes;
Some people are referred to as 'creationist's' and believe that human beings were in fact created by a spiritual force such as the God they believe in and do not believe that the origin of man came from evolving from other species such as apes; and
Some people simply don't know what to believe and sometimes agree or disagree with theories and ideas put forward by both creationist's and evolutionist's.
The countries were Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, Great Britain, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Poland, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, and the United States.
The "evolutionist" view was most popular in Sweden (68%), Germany (65%), and China (64%), with the United States ranking 18th (28%), between Mexico (34%) and Russia (26%); the "creationist" view was most popular in Saudi Arabia (75%), Turkey (60%), and Indonesia (57%), with the United States ranking 6th (40%), between Brazil (47%) and Russia (34%).
http://ncse.com/news/2011/04/polling-creationism-evolution-around-world-006634
Data for the latter here, page 59 onwards: http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=10669
And the Miller 2006 paper: http://home.sandiego.edu/~kaufmann/biol190/Miller_et_al_2006.pdf
Their suggestions for why the USA is strange:
of American fundamentalism historically
differ from those of mainstream
Protestantism in both the
United States and Europe. The biblical literalist
focus of fundamentalism in the United
States sees Genesis as a true and accurate
account of the creation of human life that
supersedes any scientific finding or interpretation.
In contrast, mainstream Protestant
faiths in Europe (and their U.S. counterparts)
have viewed Genesis as metaphorical and—
like the Catholic Church—have not seen a
major contradiction between their faith and
the work of Darwin and other scientists.
...
Second, the evolution issue has been
politicized and incorporated into the current
partisan division in the United States in a
manner never seen in Europe or Japan. In the
second half of the 20th century, the conservative
wing of the Republican Party has adopted
creationism as a part of a platform designed
to consolidate their support in southern and
Midwestern states—the “red” states. In the
1990s, the state Republican platforms in
seven states included explicit demands for the
teaching of “creation science” (1). There is
no major political party in Europe or Japan
that uses opposition to evolution as a part of
its political platform.
...
Third, genetic literacy has a moderate
positive relationship to the acceptance of
evolution in both the United States and the
nine European countries. This result indicates
that those adults who have acquired
some understanding of modern genetics are
more likely to hold positive attitudes toward
evolution. The total effect of genetic literacy
on the acceptance of evolution was
similar in the United States and the nine
European countries.
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The data for the chart in the OP was from a paper written for Science in 2006. I don't think using a 33 country study, produced by an academic, rather than a 24 country poll, is 'cherry-picking'. Trying to combine 2 different sources (with slightly different questions asked) on one graph would also be misleading.
And, for completeness, here's the 2011 data, plotted against 2011 GDP/cap (PPP):
Start dealing with facts instead of slime and your credibility might improve.
"personal attacks and smear campaigns." Let me guess!
What a hoot you are "If we are being specific?"
How much time do you spend making this shit up? Transphobic? Another smear! Fucking priceless.
Well, I was trying to be specific as to which pronoun to use when addressing your buddy laconicsax. Remember her/him? The cyberstalking mendacious person who claimed to be a man, yet defended his using my first name by claiming his name was Diane and that made everything OK?
Try selling your goblins to someone else, 'cos I'm not buying.
Using data for "is religion an important part of your daily life?" (Australia, China and Belgium not in poll)
Importance of religion v. GDP/capita:
Importance of religion v. acceptance of evolution:
You can see there's a good correlation between the importance of religion and GDP/capita, but the USA is an outlier (with Saudi Arabia, a fundamentalist but rich state, a bit of an outlier too). The importance of religion and acceptance of evolution are very closely correlated across the world (Russia is a bit of an outlier - not many find religion important, but neither do they accept evolution - though they were the highest of all in the "don't knows" for evolution vs. creationism - if 'creationism' was plotted against importance of religion, they wouldn't be quite so much of an outlier).
So, the point is: despite the claims of several in this group that a literal belief in the Bible is just a minority point of view in the USA, that has little effect on the country, we find that, worldwide, the importance of religion is closely linked to rejection of science, and the importance of religion is linked to GDP/capita - except in the USA, where there is a high importance of religion, especially notable when GDP is considered, and this leads to a high rejection of science in favour of a literal belief in the Bible.
I found a poll that asked about both evolution and climate change, and they showed that the tendency among political groups is to claim both evolution and climate change aren't real, the further right you go. But it would be interesting to see how the opinions group with other variables.
http://publicreligion.org/research/2011/09/climate-change-evolution-2012/
