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Mon Jul 30, 2012, 02:44 PM

A Win-Win proposal to God and his people...

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Reply A Win-Win proposal to God and his people... (Original post)
Playinghardball Jul 2012 OP
CBGLuthier Jul 2012 #1
mr blur Jul 2012 #4
Bradical79 Jul 2012 #6
rexcat Jul 2012 #7
PDJane Jul 2012 #2
rexcat Jul 2012 #8
edhopper Jul 2012 #22
rexcat Jul 2012 #23
cbayer Jul 2012 #3
dmallind Jul 2012 #5
cbayer Jul 2012 #9
Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #10
skepticscott Jul 2012 #14
rug Jul 2012 #11
Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #12
Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #17
rug Jul 2012 #39
Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #41
rug Jul 2012 #43
Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #16
cbayer Jul 2012 #24
Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #25
rexcat Jul 2012 #26
cbayer Jul 2012 #27
trotsky Jul 2012 #30
rexcat Jul 2012 #31
cbayer Jul 2012 #32
rexcat Jul 2012 #34
cbayer Jul 2012 #35
trotsky Jul 2012 #44
Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #28
cbayer Jul 2012 #29
rexcat Jul 2012 #33
Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #36
cbayer Jul 2012 #37
Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #38
Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #40
cbayer Jul 2012 #42
dimbear Jul 2012 #13
Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #18
MineralMan Jul 2012 #15
Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #19
trotsky Jul 2012 #20
Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #21

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 03:16 PM

4. No, because "praying for victims and families" is a complete waste of time,

and does nothing except make the prayers feel good about themselves, as if they were actually doing something useful.

As you so rightly say, "What a stupid pile of shit."

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 04:19 PM

7. Aren't you...

Last edited Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:19 PM - Edit history (1)

a bit condescending.

Also didn't know that feces was stupid. Wow, I learned something today!

Of course it is okay to be condescending to atheists in this forum but not the other way around, just more of the same old feces being thrown our way.

on edit: looks like someone alerted the poster. I would like to see the jury results on that!

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 02:52 PM

2. Prayer for the victims doesn't rub me the wrong way,

I just think it makes people feel better about themselves and does nothing for the situation.

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Response to PDJane (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 04:21 PM

8. How would prayer...

make someone feel better about themself in this situation? What am I missing here?

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Response to rexcat (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 10:04 AM

22. because they think they are doing something for

someone and because they get to talk to God, which makes them special.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 10:14 AM

23. ...

Last edited Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:14 PM - Edit history (1)



on edit: The poster doesn't seen to what to respond. Imagine that!

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 02:59 PM

3. What is the point of this other than to mock and offend?

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Response to cbayer (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 03:21 PM

5. To make people consider why they always thank God for saving survivors

but never blame him for allowing victims?

Why is free will only the answer to the latter not the former?

What about the victims - or survivors - who didn't believe, or believe in different gods?

If you escaped a mass shooting and were told "Satan watched out for you" or even "consoled" you for losing a loved one by saying "It was Satan's plan", how would you react? What, exactly, is the difference?

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Response to dmallind (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 04:23 PM

9. It's built around the idea that some pray for victims

Which harms no one and comforts some.

Tasteless and poorly timed, IMO.

But, whatever floats your boat, I guess.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 04:35 PM

10. Point it that it might be harful

because it gives people the impression they are doing something which helps which may stop them from doing something which may actually make a difference.

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Response to dmallind (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 05:45 PM

14. That's a

Really Good Post (r)

Thought you deserved that, but doubted you'd get on from the usual source.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 04:45 PM

11. Bugle practice.

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Response to rug (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 05:34 PM

12. Interesting comment from the dog whistle king. n/t

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Response to Goblinmonger (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:19 AM

17. Expect three more recycled new atheist articles in response.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 04:33 PM

39. How many posters are you expecting?

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Response to rug (Reply #39)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 05:05 PM

41. I'm expecting a Blondie poster from 1978.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #41)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 05:08 PM

43. You'll have to go to a different meme site for that.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:18 AM

16. The point is to challenge the belief in an intercessionary deity.

Do you believe that your god acts in this world?

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 12:31 PM

24. Why challenge it? It can neither be proved nor disproved.

This *challenge* reminds me of grade school - "I know you are, but what am I?"

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Response to cbayer (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:05 PM

25. It's pretty easy to run double-blind tests on the power of prayer.

The only problem is the bullshit answer of "sometimes he says no." Surprisingly, God says no at about the exact rate of random chance. Perhaps that's proof God created the world.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:17 PM

26. Something that can't be proved or disproved...

really goes against sound reasoning and those things should be challenged.

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Response to rexcat (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:18 PM

27. How about intelligent life somewhere else in this universe?

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Response to cbayer (Reply #27)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:31 PM

30. You think the belief that other intelligent life exists isn't challenged?

You bet your ass it is. One day we might have proof - there are many ways it might come. Same can't be said about gods, can it?

Try a different analogy.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #27)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:32 PM

31. All concepts should be challenged...

but some have better merit and probability than others.

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Response to rexcat (Reply #31)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:32 PM

32. And who gets to decide which those are? What's the cut off?

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Response to cbayer (Reply #32)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:37 PM

34. Should there be a cut off...

probably not. One thing is science has a better chance of answering the questions in the long run and some questions will probably never be answered so humankind will continue to ponder those until we become extinct from our collective stupidity.

on edit: I don't think anyone has the "right" to decide but individuals can decide if the argument is worth the effort.

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Response to rexcat (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:46 PM

35. Agree. It's an individual and very subjective decision.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #32)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 05:16 PM

44. I dunno, cbayer. What's the cutoff?

Is stoning an adulterous couple to death the cutoff?

Or are there situations in which that would be OK - like for instance when it's a very important and customary practice in a religion, like circumcision?

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Response to cbayer (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:19 PM

28. Talk to the Templeton Foundation.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #28)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:25 PM

29. What is my side?

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Response to cbayer (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:33 PM

33. That is an excellent question on your part...

since from previous posts you do not disclose much about yourself therefore we will probably never fully know.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 02:40 PM

36. Theism.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #36)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 02:44 PM

37. Really? What makes you think so?

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Response to cbayer (Reply #37)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 02:56 PM

38. Wow. Really.

You're going to play the "maybe I'm really an atheist" game.

Good thing this is still in my clipboard:

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Response to Goblinmonger (Reply #38)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 05:04 PM

40. why not?

the ridiculous never stops in this forum.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #40)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 05:06 PM

42. You can say that again.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 05:39 PM

13. The whole key is #5. In the Judeo-Christian tradition, God does not want you to know one way

or the other. Roughly speaking, it's for the same reason the answers aren't printed on the last page of the SAT.


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Response to dimbear (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:23 AM

18. The fan dance deity theory.

Except of course that the bible is full of tales of a manifested deity, miracles, wicked awesome displays of extreme deity foo, etc. Just not recently.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 08:04 PM

15. Any omniscient deity worth its salt

would know all of this beforehand and act accordingly. As near as I can tell, no such deities exist, though, to mass killers are free to act without divine intervention.

And so it goes.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:24 AM

19. Or they could exist and really not give even a small kernel of shit.

Which amounts to the same thing.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:26 AM

20. One more option: They exist and LOVE violence and murder.

Which makes more sense than any other explanation, unfortunately.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #20)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:46 AM

21. That only makes sense if you believe in an intercessionary deity.

if you do then you have to explain why all this shit happens and that is a whole lot of 'splainin.

I like the christian atheists who believe in the death of god (which is not all christian atheists). They get to have all their biblical woo and a smug explanation for why none of that shit happens anymore.

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