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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:09 AM

Holiday displays may go to lottery

Posted: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:32 pm | Updated: 12:01 am, Tue Jun 19, 2012.

By ERIC POOLE Calkins Media | 12 comments

ELLWOOD CITY — Borough council next month could approve a lottery system that would determine the content of holiday displays in front of the Ellwood City municipal building.

In a 4-3 vote, council agreed to advertise a change in Ellwood City’s ordinance addressing nongovernmental displays on borough property. Council members Glenn Jones and Marilyn Mancini and council President Anthony “Lefty” DeCarbo voted against the ordinance change, and council members Judith Dici, John Todorich, George Celli and Ralph Chiappetta were in favor.

“We’re all assuming that the winner of a lottery would put up a creche,” said DeCarbo, who warned that lottery systems have caused problems in other jurisdictions when nonreligious groups — or religious parody organizations such as followers of the Flying Spaghetti Monster — won holiday display lotteries.

Under the proposed rules, any borough resident or taxpayer wishing to put up a holiday display would submit an application for a permit. If no borough taxpayer applied, then people from outside the area would be able to apply.

http://www.timesonline.com/news/local_news/holiday-displays-may-go-to-lottery/article_7066e634-0534-597a-a2a0-444eb788d6ee.html

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rug Jun 2012 OP
Goblinmonger Jun 2012 #1
rug Jun 2012 #2
struggle4progress Jun 2012 #3
rexcat Jun 2012 #7
cbayer Jun 2012 #4
rug Jun 2012 #5
Goblinmonger Jun 2012 #6
rug Jun 2012 #8
cbayer Jun 2012 #9
Igel Jun 2012 #10
cbayer Jun 2012 #11

Response to rug (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:11 AM

1. This could get awesome. n/t

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Response to Goblinmonger (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:13 AM

2. It is never too early to discuss pressing issues.

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Response to rug (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:30 AM

3. Why not: "Just put yer holiday display on yer own stinkin property"?

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:46 AM

7. Sure...

If I put a "holiday" display on my property representing my view of the "season" I am sure that nothing would happen to the display, my yard or my house or for that matter my family....

Religious displays are a one way proposition in the community I live in. Tolerance is not a word used by the "good" religious people where I live.

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Response to rug (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:34 AM

4. This is what caused all the hoopla in Santa monica, which

eventually led to their move to not allow any displays at all.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:37 AM

5. Right.

What is interesting in this otherwise uninteresting story is that the Borough wants to limit lottery entries to Borouh residents. Presumably to avoid the gaming that occurred in the Santa Monica lottery.

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Response to rug (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:44 AM

6. There are no atheists in the Borough?

I feel a campaign to enter into the lottery coming.

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Response to Goblinmonger (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:48 AM

8. That's a two part question.

1) How many are there?

2) How many care enough to enter the lottery?

If this ordinance passes we'll find out soon enough.

And if the answer to either question is "few", I'm sure there will be an organized campaign to enter it nevertheless.

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Response to rug (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:55 AM

9. That probably would have been a good idea in SM as well, and led to a more equal distribution.

SM residents had no substantial objection to a display put on by atheists or secularists, it was the 18/21 plots that they objected to. It's a progressive community, in general, a pretty laid back (it's hard not to be laid back if you live in that location).

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Response to cbayer (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:06 PM

10. I'd have designed it differently.

The reason for the displays are celebrations, not "dismissals." I don't think of 7/23 as "Christianity Dismissal Day" or 9/13 as "Islam Dismissal Day." The days chosen for displays are positive displays, not negative, and they're chosen to line up the message with the day or days.

I'd have a lottery for each week and each day, with special lotteries for specific holidays--whether Eid or Hannukah or Xmas.

I'd have displays be appropriate to the day. I would want something 7/4-related for 7/4 and have a lottery for that. There's no pressing reason to celebrate Bastille Day that day or to disparage Putin's Chechen policy on that day, so such displays could be limited.

You want a nice commemoration on MLK day, great. You want to put up a display dissing MLK you should be allowed to put it up, but you should also remember you have 360+ other days of the year to show contempt and superiority and, as it turns out, one to show tolerance.

Same for other days, religious and non-. SM likes tolerance, esp. when they can say they're just being open minded concerning the proper kinds of intolerance. It's a strange mindset, one I never got into. Then again, I lived a few miles outside the SM city limit in WLA.

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Response to Igel (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:09 PM

11. You are so right about Santa Monica, lol.

And this so backfired on them.

I like your idea about having lotteries for specific days and some requirements that they be celebratory and not derogatory displays.

I hope I read this right, but that's my takeaway.

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