Catholic Cardinal Says Church Is Willing To Let Poor People Starve In Protest Of Contraception Manda

[cleanhippie]

Cardinal Timothy Dolan has made it very clear that he doesn’t like President Obama’s contraception mandate. And apparently, he and the Catholic Church are prepared to let poor people starve to death if President Obama doesn’t give in to their demands.

In an appearance on Martin Bashir on MSNBC on Tuesday, Dolan said that the Church would abandon Jesus’ effort to help the sick and feed the poor in protest of the contraception mandate that only applies to insurance companies and not the Church itself.

“If these mandates kick in, we’re going to find ourselves faced with a terribly difficult decision as to whether or not we can continue to operate,” Dolan said. “As part of our religion — it’s part of our faith that we feed the hungry, that we educate the kids, that we take care of the sick. We’d have to give it up, because we’re unable to fit the description and the definition of a church given by — guess who — the federal government.”

Bashir then pointed out that the Catholic Church had taken a staggering $2.9 billion from the federal government to pay for the charitable efforts the Church provides. “They don’t seem to bristle at the hand of government when it comes to money, do they,” Bashir commented.

But it was David Corn of Mother Jones who had the best observation about Dolan’s threat. “It strikes me as just not very Christian, if I can say so, to get out there and say, ‘We will not be providing services if you force us to do these things — or if there’s a mandate,” Corn stated. ”Would Jesus take his fish and a loaf and go home?”

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/23/cardinal/

For our Catholic friends here, how so you continue to justify your direct and indirect support for this terrible organization?

[MichiganVote]

1. Yup. Perversity in the church, stand on principle and chuck Social Justice Jesus. Right on schedule.

Good to know some things never change.

[southernyankeebelle]

2. As a catholic I don't take my marching orders from the pope, cardinal, bishop or the priest. I go

when I go for communion. Like many women we don't think it is a moral sin for birth control. All it does for me is confirm that I will not send any of my money to the church. I have stopped that a long time ago.

[soc7]

3. aka "cafeteria" Catholic

nt

[southernyankeebelle]

25. Yes I am but not the less even when I went all the time back when I was younger I felt the same

way.

[Dawson Leery]

4. Jesus would never do this.

[NeverEnuff]

5. Dolon's threat

Bet he won't miss a meal. They need the money to buy all the things that Jesus never required. You know fancy robes, Prada shoes and servants. Let them sell off some of their holdings. Christ would run these "moneychangers" out of the temple.

[rug]

6. Which terrible organization?

The terible organization that has worked with the poor and is working with the poor, or

the terrible organization that this article asserts will let poor people starve?

[Sinistrous]

9. The article asserts nothing. The assertion was made by Cardinal Dolan.

The article merely quotes him. If Cardinal Dolan is not stating the policy of the church on this matter, I would expect a stern rebuke to be forthcoming from the Vatican.

[rug]

16. Show me the quote about letting poor people starve.

[trotsky]

18. Show me how this should be interpreted:

"As part of our religion — it’s part of our faith that we feed the hungry, that we educate the kids, that we take care of the sick. We’d have to give it up..."

What does he mean by "we'd have to give it up"? Clearly he intends it as a threat - who is he threatening, and with what?

[rug]

19. All programs that are subject to the HHS rule would have to close if compliance with

it is considered to be a violation of core Church teachings. It's a simple premise really.

The Church is still mandated - by its own core teachings - to feed the poor and the other corporal acts of mercy.

It simply will have to do it in ways that violate neither the HHS rule nor its own teachings.

The immediate practical effect would be that its massive charitable operations, as presently structured, could no longer function. That would be a shame since one out of six patients are treated in Catholiv hospitals.

There is a solution to this impasse, though, once all the competing rhetotic is penetrated.

[trotsky]

20. "we'd have to give it up"

Not do it in other ways, but expressly give it up.

The solution is for your church to STFU and get out of politics and stop fighting the progressive agenda. But they have so much money, power, and influence thanks to the members who continue to support them.

[rug]

21. Correct. As presently constituted.

A closed mind lets nothing in and nothing out.

[trotsky]

22. He makes no such clarifications.

That's your spin.

And knock off the personal shit, rug.

[rug]

23. Nevertheless, that is the case. He didn't say let the poor starve either.

That's your spin.

And if you want to keep personalities out of it, knock off the "your" shit, trotsky.

[trotsky]

24. Not my article. Not my spin.

And it IS "your" church - you support it, and you attack those here who oppose its destructive policies.

That you always get nasty and personal on these threads it just further evidence.

[rug]

26. If you want to discuss me, send me a PM.

If you want to discuss the RCC or religion, post it here.

They are two separate things you know.

[trotsky]

27. The RCC is a religious organization that brings a lot of harm into this world.

And those who continue to not only support it but defend it (and its leaders) against those pointing out the harm are fair game.

[rug]

28. That's a fair opinion and an opinion I disagree with.

Logically, I believe it leads to an untenable position.

I'm happy to respond.

However, framing it as your church and what are you doing about it and how can you support this hateful depraved criminal organization is not. You move the topic from criticism of a particular religous organization to a personal attack on a particular individual.

I'm happy to respond to that as well.

There is a difference.

[trotsky]

30. I've seen your reasoning why you allege it to lead to an "untenable position."

I believe your reasoning is wrong.

I will continue to oppose your church whenever they are harming people or meddling with my government. And when you start defending it and its hierarchy again, you're going to receive feedback.

What you should refrain from doing, then, is throwing your trademark "snappy" one-liners that insult the person attacking your church. Address the argument, not the person.

There is a difference.

[rug]

31. Ditto.

[trotsky]

34. No worries, rug.

You will never see me defending your church or its hierarchy!

[provis99]

7. what I have learned about the Catholic hierarchy today on DU:

Catholic leader doesn't care if people starve
http://www.democraticunderground.com/121828663

the Church excommunicates a 9 year old for getting an abortion:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/121828660

Catholic leader blames women for things he doesn't like:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101629314

Catholic leaders charged with raping kids:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014127774

why people continue to support this horrible, right-wing organization? Because they're holy? because they represent god on earth?

[cleanhippie]

17. Good questions. You could ask one of our resident Catholics, but they never seem to be able to.

You will usually get deflection, obfuscation, rationalization, and projection in return. Just look at the post about the 9 year old who got an abortion to see what I mean. Apparently there are different types of excommunication and the one the church performed on the family didn't really count. Or something.

[SoutherDem]

8. Now I am really pissed

Apparently someone gave me the wrong Bible. Mine says a lot about feeding the poor. It says a lot about taking care of children. Mine doesn't have one word about contraception.

This guy is a leader in what I think is still the largest Christian denomination in the U.S. and the world he must know what the Bible says, so I must have been given the wrong one.

Can someone please tell me where to purchase a copy of this Bible, I really hate having the wrong one.

[freshwest]

10. Ask Ryan, Boehner and Gingrich for their version since they run on being Catholics.

Which is a disgrace to any priest who died and the nuns who were raped before being killed... For standing up to the oligarchs in Latin America.

Or gone to prison for long terms for their opposition to wars, nuclear weapons and the School of the Americas.

Yes, there have been a few. This guy just spit on their graves and punched the ones sent to prison in the face.

[tblue37]

14. Don't forget Santorum. nt

[freshwest]

15. Ah, yes, the fourth horseman of the Hypocalypse.*

Second meaning in the Urban Dictionary:

*Hypocalypse:

This occurs whenever someone's hypocrisy is great enough to cause actual damage to someone or something.

(Actually, the first meaning of the word is more interesting.)

[meow2u3]

32. Ask Conservapedia

They have the updated version of the Bible.

[freshwest]

11. Bashir cut right to the quick and then he outed this extortionist. Who never cared, apparently, nor

Did he ever believe or fear the version of God he's made his living selling to others. Many illusions will be shattered this year as the veils are lifted from our eyes.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

12. Since they are in this "free" country, they need to abide by it's laws. Not the USA theirs.

[Politicalboi]

13. How people support these freaks

Is beyond me. They need a good protest in front of their churches every Sunday. Being pedophiles still gets support. Because after all, they all don't do it. But a lot know of ones that did do it, and said NOTHING. Or knew of the "transfers" and still said NOTHING. They are disgusting. People should STOP going to their house of perversions.

[Iggo]

29. But you're ignoring all the good they do!

[meow2u3]

33. We need to launch either a letter-writing campaign

to shame Cardinal Dolan into doing the right thing, file a complaint to the IRS pointing out his partisan political activity, or both. Either way, he needs to learn a lesson.