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pwb

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Sun May 13, 2012, 04:03 PM May 2012

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There are people on this board skepticscott May 2012 #1
I know, pwb May 2012 #4
It's belief. It doesn't HAVE to be conistent or make sense. nt patrice May 2012 #12
"just" an angel? Angels are supernatural beings. Jesus was just human. bluerum May 2012 #2
Well he *does* live in many palaces, lol. marybourg May 2012 #3
Yes, he has that part down, now for the god on earth, President?. pwb May 2012 #5
Google searches without quotes around phrases prove very little muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #6
Without being too delicate, I'd say that subject line more than less misrepresents LDS beliefs HereSince1628 May 2012 #7
+1 laconicsax May 2012 #8
+ struggle4progress May 2012 #10
That is why I asked you to read the links. pwb May 2012 #18
Because they are irrelevant muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #20
It is very very hard to know what the Mormons believe. Do not have authoritative documents. dimbear May 2012 #9
That's been a known fact. Not many non mormons have ever skimmed throught the demosincebirth May 2012 #11
Mark Twain went through the Book of Mormon.` provis99 May 2012 #14
And Jews think Jesus was just a normal guy. So what? 2ndAmForComputers May 2012 #13
If you don't believe that he was God's only son who was born of a virgin and died for our sins... laconicsax May 2012 #15
Jews traditionally vote democrat. pwb May 2012 #17
But Republicans have much less of an ick factor when voting for Jewish Republicans. 2ndAmForComputers May 2012 #22
"Ghrist?" Adsos Letter May 2012 #16
Many Evangelicals... jeepnstein May 2012 #19
One thing is known edhopper May 2012 #21
A convicted charlatan no less Ron Obvious May 2012 #23
Freemasonry is an often overlooked influence on Mormonism. daaron May 2012 #24
I was living in Salt Lake when the incident of the overnight removal of masonic emblems occurred. dimbear May 2012 #25
Right? Right? It's kind of a strange thing. daaron May 2012 #26
 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
1. There are people on this board
Sun May 13, 2012, 04:10 PM
May 2012

who think Jesus was just a distant relative of the guiding energy of the universe. At least when it suits them. And when there are elsewhere, sucking up to their Xstian cronies, their version of god and jeebus changes like a chameleon to fit the moment.

pwb

(11,189 posts)
4. I know,
Sun May 13, 2012, 04:20 PM
May 2012

This is more for the believers in the trinity. The we are a christian nation people. It should not sit well with them, yet it seems to be?.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
12. It's belief. It doesn't HAVE to be conistent or make sense. nt
Sun May 13, 2012, 08:15 PM
May 2012

bluerum

(6,109 posts)
2. "just" an angel? Angels are supernatural beings. Jesus was just human.
Sun May 13, 2012, 04:13 PM
May 2012

marybourg

(12,531 posts)
3. Well he *does* live in many palaces, lol.
Sun May 13, 2012, 04:15 PM
May 2012

pwb

(11,189 posts)
5. Yes, he has that part down, now for the god on earth, President?.
Sun May 13, 2012, 04:21 PM
May 2012

muriel_volestrangler

(101,082 posts)
6. Google searches without quotes around phrases prove very little
Sun May 13, 2012, 05:30 PM
May 2012

The links you get are just pages that mention 'Jesus' and 'angel' and 'Mormon' on the same page. Google results these days don't even have to have the words you search for on the page returned; sometimes they are just on an associated page. Nothing I see on the first page of results looks relevant to your claim.

Why don't you link to a genuine explanation of Mormon beliefs instead? It's save everyone else a lot of bother, since you've know what it says.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
7. Without being too delicate, I'd say that subject line more than less misrepresents LDS beliefs
Sun May 13, 2012, 05:52 PM
May 2012

I can't say for sure what Mitt might believes, and I'll oppose him on political rather than religious grounds.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
8. +1
Sun May 13, 2012, 05:57 PM
May 2012

struggle4progress

(117,949 posts)
10. +
Sun May 13, 2012, 07:30 PM
May 2012

pwb

(11,189 posts)
18. That is why I asked you to read the links.
Mon May 14, 2012, 08:09 AM
May 2012

Guess you did not.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,082 posts)
20. Because they are irrelevant
Mon May 14, 2012, 09:20 AM
May 2012

I told you; your Google search was useless.

Just give us the real links.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
9. It is very very hard to know what the Mormons believe. Do not have authoritative documents.
Sun May 13, 2012, 06:25 PM
May 2012

The fact that the Book of Mormon says xxxx or the Doctrine and Covenants say yyyy or the General Council says zzzz doesn't make it Mormon belief.

Mormons believe different things at different times, just like everybody else. That said, for a surprisingly not completely wrong take, see this Chick tract:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0061/0061_01.asp

It summarizes all their more outrageous beliefs past or present.

Obviously it is propaganda, take it as such.

demosincebirth

(12,517 posts)
11. That's been a known fact. Not many non mormons have ever skimmed throught the
Sun May 13, 2012, 07:54 PM
May 2012

Book of Mormon.

 

provis99

(13,062 posts)
14. Mark Twain went through the Book of Mormon.`
Sun May 13, 2012, 08:25 PM
May 2012

his thoughts on it: "The Mormon Bible is rather stupid and tiresome to read, but there is nothing vicious in its teachings. Its code of morals is unobjectionable --it is "smouched" from the New Testament and no credit given."

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
13. And Jews think Jesus was just a normal guy. So what?
Sun May 13, 2012, 08:20 PM
May 2012
 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
15. If you don't believe that he was God's only son who was born of a virgin and died for our sins...
Mon May 14, 2012, 12:21 AM
May 2012

...some people will think that you're unfit for office.

pwb

(11,189 posts)
17. Jews traditionally vote democrat.
Mon May 14, 2012, 08:06 AM
May 2012

Evangelical Christians are a huge voting block that vote puke. Post was more about religious voters than religion itself.

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
22. But Republicans have much less of an ick factor when voting for Jewish Republicans.
Mon May 14, 2012, 10:52 AM
May 2012

Except for the most deranged of the deranged voters, a repub who's Jewish, if he's enough of a dick, is a-OK for them. I see Mormons being generally regarded the same way. (If not now, once the novelty wears off.) Yeah, it doesn't make sense, but it's Republicans we're talking about. Being a dick to everything and everybody trumps all.

I had more hope for the "hey, evengelicals, did you know he's a Mormon?" line of action, but now I'm starting to think it'll be of very limited efficacy.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
16. "Ghrist?"
Mon May 14, 2012, 02:41 AM
May 2012

jeepnstein

(2,631 posts)
19. Many Evangelicals...
Mon May 14, 2012, 08:58 AM
May 2012

are wrestling with this issue. Mormons over the last few years have really tried hard to portray themselves as mainline Christians. They jump through all sorts of hoops to prove this. In reality, they are something quite different from what passes for a Christian church. For all the differences between the various denominations, the differences are really minute when compared to LDS doctrine. Mormons get all sorts of outraged when this is brought up.

We'll have to see how this all plays out. I do know it has the potential to split the previously solid voting bloc known as the Religious Right if it's played properly. What I expect to happen, though, is for the anti-Christians to drive them into Romney's arms.

edhopper

(33,075 posts)
21. One thing is known
Mon May 14, 2012, 09:29 AM
May 2012

Mormon's founder was a charlatan and many of his claims were proven false at the time he made them.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
23. A convicted charlatan no less
Mon May 14, 2012, 10:40 PM
May 2012

Not just a charlatan but an actually convicted conman.

As far as I'm concerned any evangelical voter we peel away from Romney by pointing out what Mormons actually believe is a win.

 

daaron

(763 posts)
24. Freemasonry is an often overlooked influence on Mormonism.
Tue May 15, 2012, 01:38 AM
May 2012

Interestingly, in their original formulation, secret societies were forbidden, but almost all the founders of Mormonism had a change of heart and became die-hard Masons, going so far as to incorporate many Masonic concepts, symbols and even rituals into their religious practice.

There's a short article on Wikipedia, but of course much more is available on the subject given a little oomph.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry_and_the_Latter_Day_Saint_movement

At some point, America will have to confront it's Masonic (not Christian) origin story. And one day, I expect, the Freemasons will tell us what we need to know to face that truth. The role of secret societies in U.S. history has been quite profound, and is interesting from an anthropological and historical perspective, without recrimination. Perhaps one day we will be able to utilize this information to put some of the pieces together, and some of the ghosts to rest.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
25. I was living in Salt Lake when the incident of the overnight removal of masonic emblems occurred.
Tue May 15, 2012, 02:19 AM
May 2012

I vouch that it is true as recounted.

A visitor nowadays to Temple Square sees a much different representation than was there in the early 1960s. The mummified Native Americans are gone too. That was eerie, not to mention disrespectful.

 

daaron

(763 posts)
26. Right? Right? It's kind of a strange thing.
Tue May 15, 2012, 08:11 AM
May 2012

How secretive many fraternal orders became as the 20th century wore on.

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