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Related: About this forumDemocrats Have Bigger Anti-Mormon Problem in Election Than GOP Has
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/23/democrats-have-bigger-anti-mormon-problem-in-election-than-gop.htmlby Peter Beinart
Apr 23, 2012 4:45 AM EDT
Polls show 27 percent of Democrats would not vote for a Mormon, versus 18 percent of Republicans. There are votes in anti-Mormonism, but the Obama campaign must resist any temptation to play on it.
With just over six months before Election Day, the 2012 presidential campaign looks dull but astonishing. Its dull because Barack Obama no longer elicits the kind of passion he did in 2008, and Mitt Romney has never elicited much passion at all. But its astonishing because it features an African-American and a Mormon, two of the most discriminated-against groups in American history. In the year of Romneys birth (1947) or Obamas (1961), the idea that a presidential election would one day pit an American of Romneys religion versus an American of Obamas race would have boggled the mind.
When Obama first ran in 2008, Republicans wrestled with how to attack him without playing on antiblack bigotry. Now its the Democrats turn to be tempted. In the United States anti-Mormon bigotry has remained remarkably durable. According to Gallup, the percentage of Americans who say they would not vote for a Catholic, a woman, an African-American, or a Jew has dropped sharply since the 1960s and 1970s. The percentage saying they would not vote for a Mormon, however, hasnt budged. In 1967, the first year Gallup asked the question, 17 percent of Americans said they would not back a Mormon candidate. When Gallup asked again last summer, the figure had risen to 22 percent.
Despite the medias obsession with the alleged anti-Mormonism of evangelical Christians, the party with the larger anti-Mormon problem is the Democrats. According to Gallup, while only 18 percent of Republicans said they would oppose a Mormon candidate, among Democrats the figure was 27 percent. As if on cue, Montanas Democratic governor, Brian Schweitzer, last week volunteered that women would not back Romney because his father was born on a polygamy commune in Mexico.
To its credit, the Obama campaign repudiated Schweitzers statement. But between now and Election Day, anti-Mormonism is going to be the Democratic Partys constant temptation for one simple reason: there are votes in it.
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)a non-issue. I would expect President Obama to go out a campaign on "Vote for me because I'm (half) Black"; before he would go anti-mormon.
Besides ... Fact is, President Obama, and Democrats, do not even have to go there; the teaparty/gop/fundie base is already there.
our candidate is not a Mormon...
cbayer
(146,218 posts)because the polls show that there are votes to be gained by doing so.
But it would be a mistake to do so (and really antithetical Democratic values, imo)
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)Nonetheless... I suspect that it will be done, just not in an official capacity.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)"Democrats should remember the fear and revulsion they felt when conservatives played on Obamas race and do everything humanly possible to prevent their party mates from doing the same. Its important that Barack Obama wins this election, but for the countrys sake, its important that Mormonism not lose."
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)afterall.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)because of their religion nor would I vote for them because they don't have one. I really don't care. I want to know what policies they'll try to implement in order to make our lives, collectively, better, i.e., how to tackle unemployment. If they're open to a living wage. Will they not waste money on wars (that's usually kept a secret until they're elected), if they're friendly with other nations who can help us. Things like that.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,264 posts)The question was:
"If your party nominated a generally well-qualified person for president who happened to be (ITEM A-I READ IN ORDER), would you vote for that person?"
laconicsax
(14,860 posts)There's no discrimination against atheists in the US.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)pretty consistently.
OTOH, the numbers for GLBT people are definitely looking better.
It's the trends that are important. The fact that discrimination exists is not at issue, imo. It does.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,264 posts)[div style="font-size:1.07em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"]
B. An atheist
Yes No No opinion
2011 Jun 9-12 49 49 3
2007 Dec 6-9 46 48 6
2007 Mar 2-4 48 48 4
2007 Feb 9-11 45 53 3
1999 Feb 19-21 49 48 3
1987 Aug 10-13 44 48 8
1983 Apr 29-May 2 42 51 7
1978 Jul 21-24 40 53 7
1959 Dec 10-15 22 74 5
1958 Sep 10-15 18 77 5
1958 Jul 30-Aug 4 18 75 7
http://www.gallup.com/poll/File/148112/Otherwise_Well_Qualif_Candidate_110620.pdf
Yes, GLBT went from 66% no in 1978 to 32% no in 2011.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Why is the progress so slow?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)After making up a claim without doing any research and then being proven wrong with the actual data (showing that the trend is "no change" , what do you have to say?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,264 posts)since that's where I think you'll find people who wouldn't vote for an atheist on principle. If any DUer could ask people in churches if they feel that way, and if so why, it would be good to know.
One guess: some theists feel that people without a belief in a supreme being will behave how they want, without a concern for retribution (apart from the criminal law). Perhaps they think the US presidency is so powerful a position that only the risk of everlasting hell-fire can keep the president in line. Polls that ask about a Muslim president as well do seem to show a Muslim would be more popular than an atheist, eg http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2011/11/09/would-you-be-comfortable-with-an-atheist-president-2011-survey-says/ - Republican and Independent numbers about the same, but Democrats significantly more comfortable with a Muslim president than an atheist one.
Call them 'not religious' and the numbers get a bit better. When talking about the groups, rather than a presidential candidate, notice that both evangelical Christians, and non-Christians (religious only, or not, I'm not sure), think atheists are worse than scientologists. When you're more unpopular than a bunch of cult con-artists, you know there's a mountain to climb. But look how ads saying "you can be good without God", which is the basic message needed to erase the fear of atheists, get attacked. In a final attempt to be completely non-offensive, while making a joke to those who've followed the 'atheist billboard' wars, they're going to use this:
Another possibility: Americans of a certain age were brainwashed to associate 'atheist' with 'communist'. However, I'd have expected that effect to continue to wear off.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Depends on how devout they are.
Most people are the same religion as their parents/ community. The actual beliefs seem to have little to do with anything. But anyone too hung up on superstitions is not a good choice.
sinkingfeeling
(51,436 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,264 posts)He suggests
Romney was a bishop in the LDS church for over 12 years. He was part of its hierarchy.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/bishop-romney-pressured-single-mother-to-give-up-b
dimbear
(6,271 posts)In a nutshell, this is why I am declaring my usual liberal religious tolerance to be on hiatus for Romney.
Flirtation is perhaps not the most apt word. Better: failed marriage. The Mormons had the unmitigated audacity and gall to declare that during the period in which they discriminated against blacks, blacks had made sufficient spiritual progress to be admitted to the priesthood. In 1978.
Not "uh, we were wrong." Blacks grew up. Kinda stings, doesn't it?
A few years from now gays are going to grow up. Count on it. After the LDS church has extracted every dime it can persecuting them.
fishwax
(29,148 posts)I'm not saying that is all of it, but I think the numbers would be different if this race were between, say, Harry Reid and Rick Santorum. Then, too, since the doctrine and political activity of the church tends to favor GOP policies, it makes sense that more democrats would see a Mormon candidate as likely outside their voting pattern.
On edit: I realize these polls were taken before Romney became the presumptive nominee, but the GOP has known he was a likely contender for the last 4+ years.
darkstar3
(8,763 posts)Most people who will actually respond to pollsters, identify as a democrat, and state their honest opinion about whether or not they would vote for a mormon are going to be people who know all about the LDS backing of Prop H8, and I think that would color the results.