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90-percent

(6,829 posts)
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 11:19 PM Dec 2015

I'm trying to get to the root of America's Islamaphobia

Last edited Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:50 AM - Edit history (1)

I caught a segment on O'Reilly that had a piece with Pat Robertson's thoughts on the merits of Islam. My imprecise transcript:

"Islam is a political system bent on world domination. ..... It is not a religion as such. ......Islam believes the world is divided into two parts; the world of Islam and the world of non-believers, who should convert and if not they should be put to the sword.....A military discipline bent on world domination."

I just cannot comprehend a major established Abrahamic religion would be so medieval????



-90% Jimmy


Here's the 700 Club video I forgot to post. Can't find the O'Reilly coverage of around Dec.9.

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I'm trying to get to the root of America's Islamaphobia (Original Post) 90-percent Dec 2015 OP
Here's a start: rug Dec 2015 #1
That gobshite is conflating the present day with the world 1200 years ago Warpy Dec 2015 #2
Rampant ignorance and hatred mwrguy Dec 2015 #3
So fear of Islam is borne out of ignorance? Yorktown Dec 2015 #4
Yes, the Christian and Islamic religions are both full of that FrodosPet Dec 2015 #11
Christian Dominionism. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #5
9/11. Sometimes the obvious answer really is the right one. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2015 #6
America has a strong bigotry streak Lordquinton Dec 2015 #7
Ex-Tee-Annity. Iggo Dec 2015 #8
I've come to think it has to do with Islamist suicide attackers as much as anything Fumesucker Dec 2015 #9
Why are some ex-Muslims Islamophobic? FrodosPet Dec 2015 #10

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
2. That gobshite is conflating the present day with the world 1200 years ago
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 11:32 PM
Dec 2015

Islam was expansionist more for territory over conversion until the Ottomans began to totter. Christians treated the Jews far worse during the 1940s.

All zealots are Mediaeval, all treat women like cattle, and all are intolerant of any outsider unwilling to convert. It's a good thing they all hate each other. Otherwise, they might join forces.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
4. So fear of Islam is borne out of ignorance?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:48 AM
Dec 2015

Strange.

One could think it was knowledge of the violent ayas/hadiths which could have caused fear.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
11. Yes, the Christian and Islamic religions are both full of that
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 09:56 AM
Dec 2015

I'm sorry. I forgot that the presence of good Muslims means that there are no bad Muslims, that ISIS and other similar groups are freedom fighters protesting western imperialism, and rape victims, gays, and apostates are NOT being stoned to death in fundamentalist Islamic nations.

WAKE UP PEOPLE! Having issues with violent, doomsday-oriented death cults, is NOT anti-progressive. Excusing the actions of right wing religious fundys just to avoid a label IS anti-progressive.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
6. 9/11. Sometimes the obvious answer really is the right one.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:42 PM
Dec 2015

Yes, there was Islamophobia in the USA before that, but far less; 9/11 2001 was the day it went mainstream.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
7. America has a strong bigotry streak
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:36 PM
Dec 2015

And after 9/11 it got focused towards Islam. The root? Conservative ideology that there is an us and them? It's nothing simple, you could get a PhD on the subject and still not cover it all.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
9. I've come to think it has to do with Islamist suicide attackers as much as anything
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 06:47 AM
Dec 2015

Someone who believes in their religion strongly enough to martyr themselves is a scary enigma to those who mouth religion but really aren't completely convinced.

Religion in the US strikes me as being a mile wide and an inch deep, I say this after watching the many many Christians in my own life closely for decades, Islam seems to have a much deeper sense of conviction about it.

It also seems that most Muslim majority nations have some form of Sharia, it's telling that the most vocal opponents of Muslim Sharia are the Christians who would most like to institute Christian Sharia here.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
10. Why are some ex-Muslims Islamophobic?
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 09:43 AM
Dec 2015

Doomsday cults suck. ALL of them. INCLUDING CBN. INCLUDING Islam.



Published on May 28, 2015
Presented at the American Humanist Association 74th Annual Conference, May 7-10, 2015, in Denver, Colorado. #ahacon15

Reformists in Muslim countries are routinely silenced, through persecution or violence, which has been increasing over the last few decades as Islamism gains traction. Liberals are in a unique position to make a nuanced and compassionate critique of harmful conceptions of religion- a position which we are ceding. As a result, the only visible voices are those of hate-mongers from the far-right, Islamists and outright apologists. It is of the highest priority that liberals exert pressure on both groups towards positive change.

Sarah Haider is a co-founder of Ex-Muslims of North America, a community building organization for Ex-Muslims across the non-theist spectrum, for which she currently works to reduce discrimination of those who left Islam.


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Muhammad Syed is an ex-Muslim and President of the Ex-Muslims of North America. He spent a few minutes with Seth Andrews in conversation about his former faith.

http://www.exmna.org

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